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Re: MMM Records
I can get behind that
hey guygee can you show us spectral view zoomed to two seconds in cep/audacity whatever that is you used to make the fa? this show looks really freakin weird
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Five - I am just getting the hang of sizing these right so they are not too large to upload, here is a 2 Sec zoom (this is with Soundforge 8.0, the fa was with Cool Edit Pro 2.0):
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I looked at the sg and fa and passed it on to others, calling it "bizarre", Five says it is "freakin' weird", and others whom I have shown it to used almost the exact same description. So I think it would be great if we can pull together all the expertise we can muster, get if figured out, and get the word out. If you would rather I not start up such discussions in the future, I will honor your request (with regrets). If we cannot stay on the simple topic at hand, "what happened to this show", then all the off-topic clutter and flaming renders such discussions useless anyways. No members have liked this post.
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d/led this too ...
sitting in front of fa ... think fa goes down to early (at about 13 to 14k and comes back at 16k in my sample) could it be fm-sourced and digitally ruined? No members have liked this post.
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This looks strange, but lossy. Thatīs part of track 2 (DaD).
zoomed in the y-axis the blocks come out nicer. guygee, never seen soundforge sa-pics. Could you increase the FFT size? No members have liked this post.
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So, how much money did you say you paid for this Zappa "Ontario Slime" boot? Well, you obviously got your money's worth. Caveat Emptor, guy. Quote:
If you look at the dimeadozen thread for this show--- http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=55960 ---you'll see that some folks have actually figured it out. "A new threat???" The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Quote:
As many comments at dime raved about the sound quality as comdemned it. That appears to be a pretty level playing field. What more are you owed? Quote:
You're worried about this show/bootleg because you want to know "what happened to this show"??? And you think that determining who in the Zappa community seeds shows that are mp3 sourced with "ham-fisted" noise reduction is 'off-topic'??? You know, if you'd have just read at your own posts in that very same thread on dime, (you remember, the one you said helped 'just muddied the waters even more...") then you could have figured it out and you wouldn't have needed to start this thread and get hysterical. Calm down Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling......just yet. A little common sense would have told you who stung the bootlegger and you by extention. quack, quack, guy. No need to take your ball and go home......just yet. No members have liked this post.
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Basically any Silver CD or Liberrated Bootleg is from an unknown and they all should be checked before posted anywhere. Not sure why we would have to have a policy on just one bootlegger, if anything we should require a FA on anything like this.
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Rider - Does TTD require FA on all boots seeded here? I agree the seeder should do it before seeding, but in mariginal cases what do they have to compare to?
I already knew there was a version of that show circulating, a/d'ed and uploaded by someone who was a solid seeder and gained my trust with his seeds on STG (now a "zappateer"), so I downloaded that show for the express purpose of analyzing it to solve a "mystery", to learn something and discuss it with people with similar interests in audio analysis, and just maybe to provide a small service to other people in the process. freezer's sudden sympathy with "poor unsuspecting booters" is touching, but I only had to listen to the first few seconds of that show to know that "something was wrong", so I suggest that any other shows from that label should be suspect as well. No members have liked this post.
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NO but we do require people to at least check any show with unknown parts of it's lineage, and anyshow that has goen through the hands of a bootlegger has basically a totally unknown lineage. No members have liked this post.
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Agreed, I have never seen a bootleg with lineage, and I wouldn't trust the lineage if it was there, but the guy who seeded this show presumably "checked" by listening, and even announced the seed over on Zappateers.
I've never been big into bootlegs, but there seem to be people out there that revere certain "boot labels", like "Kiss the Stone" or "Crystal Cat". I don't necessarily understand this fetish for these boots (I "hope" it is musical quality but for all I know it is the artwork??), but in lieu of any verifiable lineage, in theory a bootleg is just as good a starting point to compare sources as any other. In practice, however, I have come to trust certain seeders over others, and that is when some occassional analysis and discussion can help spread the word. I hope you or any of the other moderators at TTD did not find my posts to be offensive, it was not meant to be so. No members have liked this post.
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You were right again freezer, it was right in front of me and I didn't see it. No members have liked this post.
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Guy, I didn't mean to say it shouldn't be discussed here (I actually like reading this stuff and trying to learn about what goes into FA and SA), I was just saying that someone should alert the Mods over there since it seemed they had already discussed that show at one point. And, I, like you, wish that they talked about this stuff in public over there like we do here. I think everyone can learn something by looking at these discussions.
I'm interested to read that thread at DIME that freezer posted, however, it seems DIME is down (which means that any minute now we can expect the "Is DIME working for you?" thread in The Lounge. lol).
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YOW....it's getting deep in here .....gotta get on the ol' galoshes to wade through this stuff .....
But since this does reference using common sense to understand the bootleg mentality AND to discern sound quality on said bootlegs, I hope it's alright to post this here. Quote:
"I never believe booters UNLESS I know the label to be very reliable" Well, guygee, I guess you would say something like that since all your listed torrents at dime are from boots.....or possibly a tape source which is the same as a boot...but maybe it's pre-boot (or maybe not) QUOTE--- "Now in this case there is a boot, "Sing in Singen" that is "reportedly" a SBD ...... but this is NOT sourced from that boot, as the timings for "Sing in Singen" are different than mine" ---ENDQUOTE Since you "bought" that Miles Davis show, what leads you to believe that you didn't purchase nothing more than a tape copy of a bootleg? What makes you so positive that you "bought" a pre-bootleg cassette??? (Maybe a boot seller 'told' you so?...) What sort of comparisons did you perform on both the tape/bootleg to be 100% certain that your copy is indeed a a 'pre-bootleg' copy and not just another higher gen copy recorded directly off the bootleg??? Quote:
quack quack guy Quote:
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Well, Miss Lynne, I guess you told me off but good.......
And gee whiz and goodness golly. Miss Lynne, I sure do hope them big bad bootleggers don't scare lil' guygee no more. "The sky is falling............" No members have liked this post.
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