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Old 2010-11-08, 08:20 AM
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Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87142

When most of are trying to share torrents which are close to the source, with the minimum of processing and interference, imposing a 'watermark' with the seeder's username audibly included in the torrent, seems ..... wrong.

Thoughts, please.
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http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87142

When most of are trying to share torrents which are close to the source, with the minimum of processing and interference, imposing a 'watermark' with the seeder's username audibly included in the torrent, seems ..... wrong.

Thoughts, please.
Tooleman is being up front about it.

If you don't like what the seeder did, then don't suck it down, right, go find an 'unblemished' version and offer it up yourself, why don't ya.........


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Well, didn't this turn into another entitlement thread, .........


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Old 2010-11-08, 10:56 AM
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Tooleman is being up front about it.

If you don't like what the seeder did, then don't suck it down, right, go find an 'unblemished' version and offer it up yourself, why don't ya.........
I asked in the thread if it WAS audible, and got no response.

It was only after I'd downloaded it that I realised that the seeder's name, audibly spoken, had been superimposed over the music.

I have no source for an unblemished version other than a search which would start with this site. I'm on a different continent from the taper, and probably the seeder, too......
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Old 2010-11-08, 01:07 PM
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

This goes totally against the mission statement of the site.

Strive for the highest quality, insist on lossless, tidy up SBEs, then someone goes and puts a processed voice speaking their own username over the top of it......

No, no, no......
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Old 2010-11-08, 01:57 PM
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

I think they should search another hobby.
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Old 2010-11-08, 05:09 PM
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

I just put my user name on the file tags. No muss, no fuss.
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

Whatever ambient noises happened at the concert are one thing. Adding extra sounds and instruments and shit after the fact is a degradation of the show, and a reduction in quality IMO. But the way these discussions usually go is that it doesn't matter if the quality is reduced as long as the file hasn't been compressed with lossy compression. Quality is subjective anyway. Whatever the remasterer chooses to layer over the show is his prerogative, and is sacrosanct. The only limitation, I guess, would be that remasterers can't add copywritten material to a show.
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:32 PM
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

I would have never imagined watermarks would make their way into audio bootlegs. Sure you see them in photography and even video bootlegs, but this is new, sad but funny at the same time
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:47 PM
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Whatever ambient noises happened at the concert are one thing. Adding extra sounds and instruments and shit after the fact is a degradation of the show, and a reduction in quality IMO. But the way these discussions usually go is that it doesn't matter if the quality is reduced as long as the file hasn't been compressed with lossy compression. Quality is subjective anyway. Whatever the remasterer chooses to layer over the show is his prerogative, and is sacrosanct. The only limitation, I guess, would be that remasterers can't add copywritten material to a show.


you make a good argument for us not allowing remasters here anymore.

we've discussed it and I don't think we really want to ban them, outright...


Would anyone have a problem if we added a rule that no seeder may add audio to a recording that was not captured at the time it was recorded?
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:50 PM
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Re: Can 'audio watermarks' be banned...?

The funniest and saddest thing is that these shows which have been marked in order to prevent bootlegging wind up being bootlegged anyway. The best way to prevent bootlegging is to share it, and share it everywhere, even in lossy formats (which some people want, but obviously aren't allowed here).
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:53 PM
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The funniest and saddest thing is that these shows which have been marked in order to prevent bootlegging wind up being bootlegged anyway. The best way to prevent bootlegging is to share it, and share it everywhere, even in lossy formats (which some people want, but obviously aren't allowed here).

lossy formats are allowed almost everywhere else. The idea, at TTD, is to raise the bar. We don't always do the best job possible.

the question, here, is whether our standards are too high to allow a recording that some guy has "remastered" and recorded his own voice and name over.

I think they are.
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you make a good argument for us not allowing remasters here anymore.

we've discussed it and I don't think we really want to ban them, outright...
some remasters sound great if the person knows what they are doing and has experience.


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Would anyone have a problem if we added a rule that no seeder may add audio to a recording that was not captured at the time it was recorded?
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Would anyone have a problem if we added a rule that no seeder may add audio to a recording that was not captured at the time it was recorded?
You gonna ban the Millard recordings that he personally marked, jimmy-jam?
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