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Old 2007-09-21, 02:17 PM
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Seeding Vinyls

Consider me as a newbee and dont feel offended by my questions (I did not go trough all archives, might have been discussed for more than one time already):
What about converting vinyls - you know, the big black ones- to flac and seeding them (your faces are showing an expression of sheer horror, right?), taboo or desired?
I mean, aren't there several Silvers circulating with only vinyls and not master tapes as sources?

However, could any kind angel help me with the technique to get the stuff on harddrive, at least for my privat amuse? I know that there are conversion boxes existing to get the signal right from turntable to PC but I also had the consideration to use the Thorens with Ortofon pick up, go throug amp, leave amp via headphone plug, enter into PC via mic plug and record the analog signal using GoldWave. How to fight the crackling noise then? How clean can the result become?
Any comment and suggestion highly appreciated, especially the inexpensive ones.
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Old 2007-09-21, 03:58 PM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

almost... don't use the headphone out, use the line out (rca jacks) on the back of your amplifier, then connect that to your soundcard line in, not the mic in for better results. And of course a nice amp (Harmon-Kardon or something, best you can afford & use the 'phono' inputs) and computer soundcard always helps (such as M-Audio Audiophile 2496 for about $120). Since you're talking about Ortofon you've probably got a pretty decent turntable.

A lot of stuff has come out in better quality than the old vinyl bootlegs, some has not. Check around with hardcore collectors of the associated bands, see if you can get them to send you a track from the best circulating source via rapidshare or similar. When you tell them you have a potential upgrade in the works they are likely to help you out in exchange for a copy.
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Old 2007-09-22, 04:51 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

Thank you Five, the answer was right to the point, nothing to say more,
just to mention that the analog equipment is Thorens TD160 MkII belt driven turntable with Ortofon pick up and a JVC A-X2 amp, both abt 30 yrs old but still in good shape (as me). I could post a list of items and check the interest. Which forum (here or elsewhere) should I post in?
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Old 2007-09-22, 05:16 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

If the ortofon is around 30 yrs old, you might want to consider replacing either stylus (needle) or cartridge before embarking on this project.....

As was said, take the 'line out' or 'tape out' from the amp to the 'line in' on your soundcard.

The frustrating thing is, once you've archived things with the 30 year-old replay equipment, and you get a new deck, you'll want to do it all over again..... everything will be dependent on the quality of your source equipment, and if, after 30 yrs, it's not performing at its best, you might want to consider an upgrade here before the project.

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Old 2007-09-22, 05:36 AM
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GRC, thanks for comment, I see what you mean, for sure you are right, I will reconsider the project.
Just to mention that the needle is replaced regularely of course. And in the old days they used to build the equipment rather heavy duty in terms of audiophile quality and durability.
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Old 2007-09-22, 06:07 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

Glad to hear it; but it's worthy of consideration; will the cartridge still be performing as well as it did 30 yrs ago? Will the bearings in the tone-arm, although well-built, still be doing their job as designed?

I'm not trying to belittle your gear, merely suggesting that you might want to consider what's happened in turntable technology as well as digital technology over the last 30 years before committing to a large project.

One of the reasons I suggest this is that I made a whole stack of audio CDs using a Pioneer PDR-609 standalone CD recorder. At the time, I thought they were great, and thought I was archiving my analogue tapes for all time; now I've got an Alesis Masterlink, I'm re-doing these CDs, both at regular CD quality (44.1kHz, 16-bit) and CD24 (96kHz, 24-bit).

I tried to rip some of the Pioneer CDs with EAC for uploading, and it reported horrendous error rates; redo the CDs with the Alesis, and they're error-free. This hasn't been a long-term change; this step-up in quality has occurred in the last 5 years or so. Manufacturers are still making high-quality turntables, and, funds permitting, you may want to see what today's turntables have to offer before committing to a large project with the 30-year old.

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Old 2007-09-22, 12:27 PM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

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Thank you Five, the answer was right to the point, nothing to say more,
just to mention that the analog equipment is Thorens TD160 MkII belt driven turntable with Ortofon pick up and a JVC A-X2 amp, both abt 30 yrs old but still in good shape (as me). I could post a list of items and check the interest. Which forum (here or elsewhere) should I post in?
you could try to ISO forums and searching sites like this to see if shows from the dates you're interested in researching have been shared around.

Best is if you can find a site associated with the specific bands in question such as livenirvana.com or sabbathlive.com or collectiveunconscious.org (etc etc) and email the 'contact us' link. ppl who run sites like those are the most helpful with this kind of stuff!
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Old 2007-09-22, 01:43 PM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

So, Graham and Five, thanks a lot to both of you for the useful comments and hints. In fact, some years ago I recorded some vinyls on a Philips CD recorder but the quality was unexpected poor.
Last question to the experts: any proven method to fight the small vinyl crackling noises?
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Old 2007-09-22, 02:20 PM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

there are 'auto de-clicker' plugins, but they don't get all the clicks and ruin the music very quickly.

there is a method to safely get rid of them but be prepared to spend 100+ hours on each record you transfer! scroll down here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...read.php?t=957

I wish there was an easier way, I am always looking but nothing that works properly has ever turned up. I would just leave the records alone crackles and all, or just go after the big crackles one at a time.
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

Converting vinyl bootlegs for distribution is very worthwhile, and your equipment sounds fine. I don't mean to criticize the above but I have a >30yo turntable and have never considered archiving my vinyl. I play it on my turntable and I still reckon that records sound better than CDs. Yes there have been advances in turntables but your Thorens is still a fine turntable, I use an old Micro Seiki. Some of the old turntables of quality were built to last a life time.

Go ahead and digitise the bootlegs for distribution, but as for the rest of the vinyl, keep listening to it on your Thorens, records are a wonderful medium for listening to music.

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Old 2007-09-23, 03:39 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

I like this place, exchange of opinions in a polite and competent manner, showing patience and handpicking the related link. Thank you DS for encouraging, the idea was just to convert the boots and only those no better digi version is existing. I am not going to bother anybody with the results of my experiments beside those which will be expressly desired by collectors.
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

You could listen on this:

www.laserturntable.com

Only 10 grand , but there's no wear, and better sound than a needle.
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Old 2007-09-23, 04:33 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

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So, Graham and Five, thanks a lot to both of you for the useful comments and hints. In fact, some years ago I recorded some vinyls on a Philips CD recorder but the quality was unexpected poor.
Last question to the experts: any proven method to fight the small vinyl crackling noises?
As always, tackle the problem at its source, rather than try and correct it later - before even thinking about software de-clickers, etc, make sure you have a super-clean stylus, a super-clean turntable mat, and make sure you have a super-clean LP. This will minimise any correction that's needed later. You may want to consider recording tracks one at a time, and cleaning the stylus after each individual track. Make sure that the area around the turntable, possibly even the whole room, is super-clean and dust-free. We can probably draw the line at making the music room a full-scale 'clean room', and only allowing the turntable operator in when wearing a head-to-toe airtight suit with face mask and air supply, but you see what I'm getting at....

There's a variety of specialist products out there that are reputed to do a fine job of cleaning LPs; I keep seeing them in adverts and magazines, but can't recall names offhand at this time on a Sunday morning, I'm afraid..... maybe later.

I'm not suggesting anything wrong with the build quality of your Thorens, or any other poster's 30-year old turntable - I know they are well-built, I'm using a Linn Sondek that I purchased in the early 1980s; I merely make the point that wear & tear is a gradual thing, and sometimes goes un-noticed - your turntable sounds fine as it is, but once you get it serviced, all of a sudden you have a 'new' turntable. The deterioration & evaporation of, let's say, the lubricant used on the main bearing for the turntable, could be an issue. Some turntables need servicing, just like cars; and in my view, my own deck could do with a good tune-up; check the suspension, replace the bearing oil/fluid, etc, etc. It's just a question of me getting round to it...... In the case of my Linn, the bearing fluid is user-replaceable, I'm not sure if the Thorens is of the same design, but I knew someone a few years back who had one, and he would tweak it almost annually.

I merely suggest the possibility that your deck, being of similar age, *might* benefit from something similar before you embark on a big project.

Regards, Graham
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Old 2007-09-23, 09:32 AM
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Re: Seeding Vinyls

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You could listen on this:

www.laserturntable.com

Only 10 grand , but there's no wear, and better sound than a needle.
did anybody here try that? is it really better sound than a needle? sure looks cool
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did anybody here try that? is it really better sound than a needle? sure looks cool

Laser turntables play only black vinyl recordings......colored vinyl as well as picture discs cannot be played on them.
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