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View Poll Results: Should we ban mindless leechers?
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 1.0 26 3.90%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.75 29 4.35%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.50 131 19.67%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.25 157 23.57%
No, not under any circumstances. Let karma take over! 200 30.03%
Give them a warning and allow them to make up for their wrongdoing by ul'ing constantly. 175 26.28%
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Old 2007-05-07, 11:58 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

I'm still seeding almost everything I've downloaded here and I bought a 400GB HD just for this purpose. I'm a newb but I'm learning fast and I'm about to try uploading something for the first time since I finally got in over at Dime, to share some stuff not available here. Plus I'm trying to resolve some other issues (router, port forwarding etc.) to see if I can up my upload speed (about 35 kbs at this point). It seems to me if you do what you're suggesting you're gonna lose some potentially good sharers. I began a couple months ago with zero shows in my collection. Sometimes it takes a while to get started. By the way my ratio was almost .80 a week ago until I felt compelled to DL four or five DVD's. Still seeding. There's too much good stuff here to resist!
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Old 2007-05-08, 02:23 AM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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I'm still seeding almost everything I've downloaded here and I bought a 400GB HD just for this purpose. I'm a newb but I'm learning fast and I'm about to try uploading something for the first time since I finally got in over at Dime, to share some stuff not available here. Plus I'm trying to resolve some other issues (router, port forwarding etc.) to see if I can up my upload speed (about 35 kbs at this point). It seems to me if you do what you're suggesting you're gonna lose some potentially good sharers. I began a couple months ago with zero shows in my collection. Sometimes it takes a while to get started. By the way my ratio was almost .80 a week ago until I felt compelled to DL four or five DVD's. Still seeding. There's too much good stuff here to resist!
"Too much good stuff to resist" is the main problem with our situation at hand. There is simply no way to dl everything and maintain a 1.00 ratio. PM some people or post in the snail-mail forum and look for someone to do trades with.

Your 35 kbps ul seems about normal to me. That's what mine is. I find that if I dl/ul simultaneously, the ul is slower. So I prefer to dl, and then ul separately. (Actually, I do very little dl since I mostly do snail-mail trades with a tight group of trustworthy traders )
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Old 2007-05-08, 04:00 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Wow, I had always thought most people with amazing ammounts of GB uploaded used webseeding.

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I find that if I dl/ul simultaneously, the ul is slower.
To me that always seemed to be with cable and not DSL.
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Old 2007-05-08, 04:40 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Wow, I had always thought most people with amazing ammounts of GB uploaded used webseeding.
Nope....just constant ul for over 2 years at moderate home dsl/cable rates...

Spread the love!

Jah live!

Peace to the fellow traderz!
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Old 2007-05-08, 06:40 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

I too use a cable modem and just dedicate myself to sharing...it's about the choices we make, not the money and resource we have...I could upload at 1mb/sec and it wouldn't mean shit if I didn't open a friggin window to use it...these people who whine about what their "capable" of are runnin on the same power as me (for the most part) and are barkin up the wrong tree...it may not be the case in the sack, but around here, it's not the size that counts...it's how you use it

I find now that I'm restriced to about 50k (still fighting with Time Warner) I don't like to upload as much, because it takes longer to get people over the top and the burden is on me the whole time...with dvds being 4gb give or take (not to mention multi-discs) it takes a lot of time, effort and resource to remain a constant seed for the duration...but I'll still open a window on the stuff I dl for sure...but I just wanted to dispel the myth and say that it's simply untrue that most of the major contributors have big upload speed...they simply have good snail mail trading friends and spend all their time uploading...it's not about the speed, it's about dedication...these people here made my collection what it is today, and I feel I owe it to them to share it with everyone else the way they did with me...if they didn't share it with me, I wouldn't have it in the first place...giving it back is the only way I feel satisfied at the end of the day...it's the right thing to do...that's how the circle remains unbroken...

the members of this community need to carry the torch, and not just bum a light
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Old 2007-05-08, 06:57 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

ALL you guys did notice that the name of this site is "The TRADER'S Den" not "The TORRENT Den"?


Just asking......



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Old 2007-05-08, 08:39 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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ALL you guys did notice that the name of this site is "The TRADER'S Den" not "The TORRENT Den"?
Well, mine says sharingthegroove.org at the top... am i in the wrong place?
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Old 2007-05-08, 09:30 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Well, mine says sharingthegroove.org at the top... am i in the wrong place?
Possibly....especially if that moe moe moe in your avatar refers to the Andrea True disco hit......


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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Possibly....especially if that moe moe moe in your avatar refers to the Andrea True disco hit......
Nope, i'm not near enough cool for that. just moe. the band.

www.moe.org

just another one of those hippy jambands
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Old 2007-05-09, 08:27 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

What's a good argument without freezer?
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Old 2007-05-09, 10:57 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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What's a good argument without freezer?
You need lessons you came to the right place.....you keep hanging in the Lounge, you'll wind up an even bigger pussy......


This is a music site, not a word association forum, sport.


Hey, just look what the site owner learned from me.......

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You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fucker! You don't know shit!

ask her if she doesn't yell it out the window at other drivers now.......


(Well, she'd like to.......)
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Old 2007-05-09, 11:26 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Hey, just look what the site owner learned from me.......

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You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fucker! You don't know shit!


I always wondered where the inspiration for that came from...that's fuckin great!!!

now if we need anger management, we can make a forum for that, but everything seems to have broken down here we're supposed to be talkin about banning people (or not banning them)

I'll add again the idea that if we added (add any number of GB here) for every vine offered, or bnp or whatever they do to contribute to the site...something so that the ratio reflects ALL that they do here, and not just the bandwidth you give and take...many people with poorer ratios would have a great boost after their other efforts are recognized, putting them in better standing on the numbers...and the only people with poor ratios would be those who REALLY do nothing at all for the site (correct me if I'm wrong)

even if we abandon the idea of banning people for poor ratios, we should still consider the idea of representing the full scope of peoples efforts here in the ratio...those numbers are only here to praise or shame the users...it's all about ego, if not enforcement...and for whatever reason we keep score, shouldn't we count all the points???

if we show the ratio just for the sake of showing it, then we should make sure it is an accurate reflection of what they do here, not just the uploading and downloading...maybe it's just me, but I think that would spare a lot of folks a lot of hassle, and also stop some good people from defending their ratios...it would cut off a lot of problems at the head if the ratios were more reflective of the big picture...but that's just one mans opinion, for whatever it's worth
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Old 2007-05-09, 11:42 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Hey, just look what the site owner learned from me.......




ask her if she doesn't yell it out the window at other drivers now.......


(Well, she'd like to.......)
You Wall-Eyed Apple Knocking Wall Fuckers..... um, I try, but I can't remember how it goes.

So sorry.....
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Old 2007-05-10, 12:11 AM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

I'll bet you remember it if I bring up the word "lineage"

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Old 2007-05-10, 07:15 AM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

Like acov, I'm new to trading but it seems to me that it is not difficult to share, its just a mindset thing. In the short time that I have been a member, there have been a fair number of leechers whose ratio is so far south of 1.0 that they clearly do not offer access to any torrent they have downloaded. They just take big time. The whole model relies on everyone doing their bit.

I would just like to thank all of you who make the music available. You know who you are!

Rock on.
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