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View Poll Results: Should we ban mindless leechers?
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 1.0 26 3.90%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.75 29 4.35%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.50 131 19.67%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.25 157 23.57%
No, not under any circumstances. Let karma take over! 200 30.03%
Give them a warning and allow them to make up for their wrongdoing by ul'ing constantly. 175 26.28%
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Old 2007-05-03, 05:22 PM
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Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

As we all know, without people uploading music via bittorrent, this site would not exist. Should we ban thoughtless leechers who never give anything back to the community, thereby raping all of the ttd bandwith and hurting the efforts of spreading the music?
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Old 2007-05-03, 05:32 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

Do postwhores steal bandwidth ??
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Old 2007-05-03, 05:35 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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Do postwhores steal bandwidth ??
heh...pw's create more server load (but, yes, it's bandwith too)!
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Old 2007-05-03, 06:07 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

does this mean to ban them outright, or to ban downloading but still allow uploading to improve the ratio above the requirement??? I think an outright ban would screw some innocent people who might have fallen into a hard time, or the newb that's catching up on old torrents with no other leechers to share with...if we ban downloading but allow uploads they can remain as seeders, or reseed (or upload if they have something of their own...or from elswhere)

I believe in enforcing a ratio, but not necessarily kickin em out...that may be harsh...after all, we do have to sleep at night

besides, if they can't dl, they'll either leave of their own accord, or become helpful...either way, a dl ban would prevent the rape of bandwidth, which is really the point...I don't care about spanking the dumbass who doesn't care, I'm more interested in improving the quality of the community for those of us who give a shit...I'd vote for a dl ban, but otherwise, I think too many good folks might get turned off or shut out...any opinions guys
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Old 2007-05-03, 06:57 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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does this mean to ban them outright, or to ban downloading but still allow uploading to improve the ratio above the requirement??? I think an outright ban would screw some innocent people who might have fallen into a hard time, or the newb that's catching up on old torrents with no other leechers to share with...if we ban downloading but allow uploads they can remain as seeders, or reseed (or upload if they have something of their own...or from elswhere)

I believe in enforcing a ratio, but not necessarily kickin em out...that may be harsh...after all, we do have to sleep at night

besides, if they can't dl, they'll either leave of their own accord, or become helpful...either way, a dl ban would prevent the rape of bandwidth, which is really the point...I don't care about spanking the dumbass who doesn't care, I'm more interested in improving the quality of the community for those of us who give a shit...I'd vote for a dl ban, but otherwise, I think too many good folks might get turned off or shut out...any opinions guys
Yes, it would be necessary to first warn the user to give them a chance to improve their ratio.
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Old 2007-05-03, 07:20 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

I'm starting to think now that the ratio is not as important as the absolute value
of the difference between dl and ul

for example, someone who's dl 20GB and only ul 10GB has a ratio of 0.5. But the difference is only 10GB...not too bad (only 1 dvd9 show)

BUT if someone has dl 500GB and only ul 250GB, then that's 250GB and that's a big deal (equivalent to ~25 DVD9 shows!)
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Old 2007-05-03, 07:40 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

First option. Every user with a ratio above 1.0. My guess is the site would implode doing the calculations.

OTOH, how can be measured the mindless state of a leecher? Even worse, who wil measure our state of mind?
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Old 2007-05-03, 07:51 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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First option. Every user with a ratio above 1.0. My guess is the site would implode doing the calculations.

OTOH, how can be measured the mindless state of a leecher? Even worse, who wil measure our state of mind?
if it's literally "mindless", then I guess I'm outta here! I lost my mind just a couple of times.... :wacko: :cyclops:
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Old 2007-05-03, 07:54 PM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

do a ratio check for every 50gb or something so people have a chance to cath up...if it's every 50 or 25 or something, they will know when they will get checked, and it's on them to be in good standing at that point...but 50 or 100gb gives people plenty of time to get settled befor enforcing any requirements from the start of membership...just my opinion...if people are still allowed to upload and improve their status, than I vote for a .50 ratio...I think those with big appetites and little capabilities can make up the difference with vines and bnps and such...so that's where my vote is goin...hopefully this brings results when it's all said and done...hopefully we actually get some serious votes to get a realistic idea of the general state of mind of the average user
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Old 2007-05-05, 01:59 AM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

I think Chachi should be banned for over seeding.
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Old 2007-05-05, 11:08 AM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

The big problem is..... we aren't just a torrent site, like DIME. It would be easy to think of banning or limiting uploads for people with low ratios if all we were was a torrent site. But, what about those that download and then offer a Vine for every show they get? That is 'giving away' a whole show, kinda like uploading that amount to someone. Or, what about those that offer up a ton of B&Ps? The whole reason I added a list of Vines and B&Ps to a person's profile is so people can see if they offered them and then take that into consideration along with the ratio when they are asked to open a window.

These guys who have poor ratios and then come around asking for reseeds probably have a much lower chance of a reseed than someone who has a good ratio or someone who has also started Vines or offered B&Ps. Karma comes around to get them. Notice how that dudogger guy didn't even like the fact that we *show* ratios. He knows he is getting judged by it and doesn't like it (and may be embarrassed by it). I figure karma comes around to get these guys. Maybe not now, maybe not next week, but they will ask for a show to get reseeded and will have people ignore the request because of their ratio and lack of giving in other ways.
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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But, what about those that download and then offer a Vine for every show they get? That is 'giving away' a whole show, kinda like uploading that amount to someone. Or, what about those that offer up a ton of B&Ps? .
We aren't talking about those people who at least make an attempt to share in other ways. We are talking about people like him who do nothing but rape the community & its bandwidth and make no effort to share what so ever. He has offered no vines, b&p's or freebies.
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Old 2007-05-05, 11:36 AM
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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We aren't talking about those people who at least make an attempt to share in other ways. We are talking about people like him who do nothing but rape the community & its bandwidth and make no effort to share what so ever. He has offered no vines, b&p's or freebies.
But, if we were to ban all those with low ratios, we could be banning a good Viner or good B&Per.

Also, in regards to the title.... I think we should be talking about *thoughtless* leechers, not mindless ones. The mindless ones seem to be totally unaware, but once they become aware, they try to raise their ratios. It's the thoughtless ones - the ones that are aware but come up with excuse after excuse of why they can't give back and why they are owed - that we should be talking about.
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

i have an idea for those of you who cant handle the low ratios(which are NOT inforced here)

why not add everyone you see with a ratio unexceptable to you, to your ignore list. in about 6months time youll have a site with no-one but people with
good(?) ratios........
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Re: Should we ban mindless leechers?

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But, if we were to ban all those with low ratios, we could be banning a good Viner or good B&Per.
No one is saying ban them all, just people like him who do nothing. I have no problem with people who have a shitty ratio and offer up vines & b&p's.
Again, he has done NOTHING to share!
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why not add everyone you see with a ratio unexceptable to you, to your ignore list. in about 6months time youll have a site with no-one but people with good(?) ratios
That will only keep you from seeing their posts...putting them on ignore does not stop them from leeching. To my knowledge azuerus is the only client that allows you to ban people to keep them from downloading from you, but it is a resource hog on your comp.
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