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Naming standards
Simple question - is the use of etree naming standards going to be enforced / encouraged here? If not, what swung the decision? This is by no means supposed to sound like a criticism - I appreciate that enforcing naming standards is hassle that to many isn't worth it - it's just the one thing that I was surprised not to see in the FAQ. So I'm curious
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Re: Naming standards
Yeah...I intentionally left it out of the FAQ. There are a LOT of very specific rules here, and we just felt that filenaming was of secondary concern to getting the lineage and quality thing right. We tried to do the mandatory etree naming thing...uhh...on "other sites", and it was a continuous battle. We only put rules we can enforce into the rules.
That being said, we'd prefer to have etree standard for filenaming, whenever possible. I and most of the other staff members here do this auto It's just not in the FAQ because it's not worth beating our heads out over until we're sure that the community can do everything else right.
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Re: Naming standards
That's cool and makes sense. Might be worth having a little encouragement note and a link to the etree page somewhere (just a quick line in the seeding guidelines maybe?) but obviously the FAQ is pretty busy already so I'm sure leaving it until you figure the community is ready will be fine. Hell, I don't think archive.org even enforce the standards anymore
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Re: Naming standards
nice to see its not one of the rules, just because its the etree standard doesnt make it the best........
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Re: Naming standards
This is just a guess, but it looks to me that the "etree standard" was put into place to allow etree admins to better handle their database routines. You must admit that between their SHN's in Circulation and db.etree.org sites, they've done quite an impressive job with the gd especially.
That said, I find that in general terms, the format of "artist-yy-mm-dd[DnTn (or title)] seems to be the logical way to work. Obviously, all this info isn't always available. If SHN/FLAC portable players were more available to people in these trading circles, it would encourage everyone to work more with ID Tags, which in turn would influence file naming standards. Hasn't happened yet. No members have liked this post.
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Along with your last point, I hope to be getting a Rio Karma for Christmas BTW, it's simple to add appropriate ID3 tags to FLAC files (or whatever they're called with FLAC) with foobar. There's a plugin that parses the text file and puts the appropriate info into the correct field for a whole show all at once. Anyone can feel free to PM me for it cuz I don't remember right now what it's called. No members have liked this post.
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http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uzbs/fb2k/html/ Masstagger comes as part of the defualt install package, and I use it for tagging all my files....it does Ape, Vorbis, ID3, and ID3v2, automatically knowing which is the appropriate for each files. For FLAC, use Vorbis tags (masstagger knows this, but other programs don't) and NOT id3v2, which will work but is a nasty thing to do to your files.
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Re: Naming standards
Still watching the Neuros.... I want the 80 gig.
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Re: Naming standards
To back this up, naming will be consistent when people torrent and seed the shows because of the way bittorrent works. The naming is consistent from the time they download the show til the time they drop the seed. This, by all definitions, is *consistent* naming from the origin. If people want to rename the the show to etree standard after downloading the show, they are free to do that... they just need to be sure they change the md5 naming.. and they need to be sure they've shared enough because they cant jump back on the torrent
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Re: Naming standards
Just one significant point to add to this discussion, and that is the fact that different OS'es cannot handle long file names in a compatible manner. This creates potential file naming issues in a lot of cases. It may mean nothing in the context of this discussion, but I thought I'd throw it out there.....
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Re: Naming standards
I like the idea of having complete band names for the files, as the abbreviations sometimes are a little obscure. The great points about the etree format is that it contains no spaces (which are STILL tough for some programs to handle) and it contains the band, date, and track all in one short, easy to read package. You're right though, some accepted prefix with a full band would be required.
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Re: Naming standards
Fine point on abbreviations actually - the etree method does give too much potential for conflict. I seeded a Hundred Reasons show a while back and abbreviated to hr (which is common amongst their fanbase anyway) but later found out that Henry Rollins is already assigned to the hr abbreviation, even though under the etree rules, he should probably be hrollins. Ah well
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