Is there an explicit ratio policy here?

[possessed]

Originally Posted by Silver Stallion DVDs

Umm......other than the first word in your post, what has any of this got to do with my original question?

Alright...getting back to that "yes" answer. Please give a specific example of a show you were not able to download because someone here at TTD had a low SR.

Sorry for taking so long to respond. Don't check this forum often.

The shows in question are long gone and deleted so I have no idea what they were. Sorry I don't have specifics.

As far as my extra response to the original post, I keep shows in my Azureus queue for several months. When they are dead they get deleted. I was only pointing out that it isn't hard for the average person to keep their ratio up by checking shows that need help. If I can jump on an old torrent that needs help when I'm not downloading, so can anyone. I suck my provider for every drop of bandwidth they provide.

[possessed]

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

happy birthday

thanks Bea Otch.

[Audioarchivist]

I keep just about everything active in Azureus - currently about 240 torrents.
I regularly look at the list in order by number of peers. It then shows who's leeching what, and how many seeds are on each one. Then I look for all the zero seeds, and jump on accordingly.

[gunfighter_001]

Hi there,

first, many thanks and congrats for this nice place.

Question: Why do I need to have a nice ratio (I mean, higher than 1.0)?
Answer: You don't need to. It's ratio free.

So, I don't need to. Nobody needs too. And how/why the sistem is still working and surviving? Because some people is paying the bill, and not exactly because I/We love to do it. We have no option if we want some gigs.

And that's why The Genesis-Movement has the best SRE. The first 24 hours are for the best ratios. After that, you just stay if you want to or need. What I like, specially, is that I don't need to share my bandwidth with leechers.
People with nice ratios can share and so, after that, the leechers can TRY to get the gigs (and I wonder how, if they just don't like to share... but that's their problem, not mine).
That's a sugestion.

Thanks again,

gun.

PS: I'm not under a powerful bandwidth, it's really hard to keep and mantain a nice ratio.

[dementrium]

^^ I don't understand what you're saying. I mean, you answered and asked your own question?
Also, what is a Genesis-Movement?

[door71]

I find it fairly easy to keep a good ratio if you don't cut and run after downloading a show.

[dementrium]

^^ Please, define your take on the word "easy".

In my particular case, to achieve what you have done on 7 months (600 Gb), would take me almost 2 years as long as I put my bt client solely on seeding mode with "perfect" conditions: that is, people getting all my bw all the time.

On the other hand, believe it or not, I hate too the "hit and run" thing. More than that, sometimes I feel there are people that dl a batch of shows, then run and register with another name, without even bother to post a crap or two (people with 0 posts, I mean).

[door71]

I guess my Verizon FIOS kicks ass.

[dementrium]

Originally Posted by door71

I guess my Verizon FIOS kicks ass.

So, let me be in your place for one month to raise my stats! I would trade that for my bbq'ing skills, as long as there we can get real meat with real fat, and real wood to make real fire.

I'd rephrase the question here as:

Is there an interest for a ratio post policy and anti-aliasing mechanism here?

The ratio post would sound stupid, but at least could be a way to lessen the anonimity

[gunfighter_001]

Hi there,

first, many thanks and congrats for this nice place.

Question: Why do I need to have a nice ratio (I mean, higher than 1.0)?
Answer: You don't need to. It's ratio free (TTD).

So, I don't need to. Nobody needs too. And how/why the sistem is still working and surviving? Because some people is paying the bill, and not exactly because I/We love to do it. We have no option if we want some gigs.

And that's why The Genesis-Movement [ http://torrent.genesis-movement.org/ ] has the best SRE. The first 24 hours are for the best ratios. After that, you just stay if you want to or need. What I like, specially, is that I don't need to share my bandwidth with leechers.

People with nice ratios can share and so, after that, the leechers can TRY to get the gigs (and I wonder how, if they just don't like to share... but that's their problem, not mine).
That's my sugestion.

Thanks again,

gun.

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by gunfighter_001

So, I don't need to. Nobody needs too. And how/why the system is still working and surviving? Because some people is paying the bill, and not exactly because I/We love to do it. We have no option if we want some gigs.
And that's why The Genesis-Movement [ http://torrent.genesis-movement.org/ ] has the best SRE. The first 24 hours are for the best ratios. After that, you just stay if you want to or need. What I like, specially, is that I don't need to share my bandwidth with leechers.

People with nice ratios can share and so, after that, the leechers can TRY to get the gigs (and I wonder how, if they just don't like to share... but that's their problem, not mine).That's my suggestion.

Thanks again,

gun.

1. bills need to be paid no matter what.
sharing out doesnt pay the rent.

2. thats completely childish. sorry, Im sure how else to phrase it.

[U2Lynne]

Hey gun, you just posted that exact same message yesterday.

[gunfighter_001]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

Hey gun, you just posted that exact same message yesterday.

Hi U2Lynne,

sorry...

cheers!

[fubar]

Originally Posted by dementrium

I'd rephrase the question here as:

Is there an interest for a ratio post policy and anti-aliasing mechanism here?

The ratio post would sound stupid, but at least could be a way to lessen the anonimity

no.

[U2Lynne]

I don't understand what a ratio post policy or an anti-aliasing mechanism are so I guess I have no interest.

[games]

bump cause I like that post the best

[rosc2112]

Originally Posted by ssquirrel

the cherry tree doesn't just grow magically by itself [...] My point is just that after the old man dies, the children need to become adults and step up to help maintain the life of the tree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

I can understand the pro-ratio peoples argument/concern, that if people don't give back, there will eventually be nothing left.

However, I don't think it applies necessarily to torrents. Yes it's a bit irksome to torrent a file, watch 500 people download it, but none re-seeding. But then, some years ago, we relied on ftp, where people NEVER shared back - you simply upload your file and leave it be. Whoever downloads it, downloads and goes away. The means of transportation has changed slightly, the nature of people has not. If people want to share, they will. If they don't, they won't. Why get your panties in a wad over it?

Ratios just serve to restrict and discourage sharing, they do not promote it.

[U2Lynne]

Just a small point to make, but this site is now over three years old and we've never had a share ratio policy and shows seem to be sticking around pretty long (usually). Sure, we have some users who hit and run, but I also know we have some users who go above and beyond to share as much as possible.

[Silver Stallion DVDs]

Originally Posted by rosc2112

some years ago, we relied on ftp, where people NEVER shared back - you simply upload your file and leave it be. Whoever downloads it, downloads and goes away.

Not entirely true.

I remember some ftp sites that only allowed you to download if you also uploaded shows to the server. The "share ratio" was something like, you had to upload at least one show for every five you download.

[The Wicker Man]

Originally Posted by Silver Stallion DVDs

Not entirely true.

I remember some ftp sites that only allowed you to download if you also uploaded shows to the server. The "share ratio" was something like, you had to upload at least one show for every five you download.

Ahhh... Quotas, I remeber those...

I uploaded a lot of Milli Vanilli albums in those days...

[vladsmythe]

Why is it that 90% of the people who bitch about people's ratio have never seeded any content?

[door71]

Gotcha Mr. 0.26.

[paddington]

Vlad has been sharing his ass off... but his ratio is so fucked it'll take him a year to get it to 1.0.. he does upload though..

[vladsmythe]

Seeders of fresh content should get double upload credit. The original seeder is like the chef, and the people who hang on the torrent are like waiters. So chefs with low ratios should get free drinks and valet parking.

[paddington]

tell you what -

for every 1 MB you upload, you'll get full credit on your upload number, with ZERO added to your download number - provided you are only uploading at the time.

[vladsmythe]

Originally Posted by jameskg

tell you what -

for every 1 MB you upload, you'll get full credit on your upload number, with ZERO added to your download number - provided you are only uploading at the time.

Do I look like I have "STUPID" written on my forehead?

Seriously though, people who seed nothing should not taunt others who give generously in other ways - just because we are "ratio challenged". We're kind of like special ed. kids, with special needs. So won't you give? Together, we can make a difference. (Fade in "We Are The World....)

[dementrium]

Congratrulations, Vlad, on your first Tera.

[paddington]

If anyone wants to donate bits to Vlad, I'll gladly move any extra uploaded data credit from your account to Vlads, if you want.

Of course, the full staff will need approve as well.

[vladsmythe]

Originally Posted by dementrium

Congratrulations, Vlad, on your first Tera.

Thanks dementrium. To show my appreciation, I'm gonna put up some Herbie Hancock video for you Buddy!

[vladsmythe]

Originally Posted by jameskg

If anyone wants to donate bits to Vlad, I'll gladly move any extra uploaded data credit from your account to Vlads, if you want.

Of course, the full staff will need approve as well.

Can I seed a short ad with Bob Weir for the Bay Area Food Bank, with me overdubbing the audio for my cause?

[paddington]

Originally Posted by vladsmythe

Can I seed a short ad with Bob Weir for the Bay Area Food Bank, with me overdubbing the audio for my cause?

Only if you own the recording and have full lineage
else, you can post a direct download

[vladsmythe]

Originally Posted by jameskg

Only if you own the recording and have full lineage
else, you can post a direct download

You know actually James, my ratio has remaned at .26 for a full year, so I have really kept a 1.0 ratio here due to my seeding of video. So why don't you just throw me a bone and bump me up to 1.0 - I no longer am taunted, and no longer defend myself. Just keep on seeding nice original content. Sounds like a win-win to me. How about you?

[paddington]

Originally Posted by vladsmythe

You know actually James, my ratio has remaned at .26 for a full year, so I have really kept a 1.0 ratio here due to my seeding of video. So why don't you just throw me a bone and bump me up to 1.0 - I no longer am taunted, and no longer defend myself. Just keep on seeding nice original content. Sounds like a win-win to me. How about you?

sounds great to me... maybe we should do a YES/NO poll, though... we usually like to discuss things here at TTD before taking any action. It should be understood, going in, that this would be a one-time thing, for you only and would likely not ever happen again for anyone else.

In good faith, I have upped your ratio from 0.26 to 0.261 (though the site only displays two decimal points of the figures).

[door71]

I just couldn't pass it up Vlad.

[dementrium]

Originally Posted by jameskg

In good faith, I have upped your ratio from 0.26 to 0.261 (though the site only displays two decimal points of the figures).

In fact, you decreased his ratio. He was at 0.2628.

Write down your stats, Vlad, before Jameskg decide to fiddle with them.

[bot]

I'm great with stats.. just ask phishblows

[dementrium]

^ Hi, Toys.

[bot]

^ Hi, Lynne

[retired]

Originally Posted by jameskg

Vlad has been sharing his ass off... but his ratio is so fucked it'll take him a year to get it to 1.0.. he does upload though..

Perhaps if he had shared to begin with instead of leeching everything he could, his ratio wouldn't be as pathetic as it is.

Originally Posted by vladsmythe

So why don't you just throw me a bone and bump me up to 1.0 - I no longer am taunted, and no longer defend myself. Just keep on seeding nice original content. Sounds like a win-win to me. How about you?

No

[paddington]

well, vlad, you're fucked then.

but don't despair... you could have it fixed by Inauguration Day 2009! You only have 750GB to go!