New audio torrent rule, no remasters unless by specific permission

[dcbullet]

Bertha don't you come around here, anymore?

[Unidecker]

what's Jay gonna do with all his time now...heh

go remaster some mp3's or something yah w00k!

[ethiessen1]

Permission is not needed to remaster, tweak, etc Lampinski recordings-
the only request is that you credit Dan for the original recording.

From every torrent we ever put up:
"Since Dan never traded copies of his recordings, they are all
essentially uncirculated. Some copies were made for friends,
but these releases are the first time most of these recordings
have ever seen the light of day, and are direct from his master
cassettes. No EQ'ing has been done to any of the transfers.
Feel free to EQ, matrix, patch, etc and re-post if you like,
just give Dan credit for the original recording. "

The moderators here will have to determine how they handle this
obviously, and is understandable based on some horribly butchered
attempts to "remaster" recordings but Team Lampinski's position
on this is clear.

[suprden]

Originally Posted by jameskg

We fucking discourage digital NR, period. With malice and great prejudice. Know that.

cool...but would you pull an uncirculated show if the taper or owner had digital NR listed in the lineage, and lots of comments in the thread were talking about it sounding like the 'ol wind chimes that is the hallmark of over-NRed stuff?

As far as 320k MP3 sounding ok, sure they do. The problem comes when someone tries to encode them to some other lossy format to fit their needs.
You can do that with a lossless file and it sounds fine for portable usage. Do it with a 320k MP3 and it sounds like glass being juggled underwater.
We don't like aliasing artifacts, so we don't allow MP3 at TTD. Four million other sites do.

MP3 is outside the scope of this thread, though.

it's not though...overzealous and unskilled post processing ruins recordings, on that we can all agree. mp3s aren't welcome here, on that we can also agree. i wasn't advocating for allowing mp3s, I was trying to illustrate the point that there are other destructive things that one can do to a recording besides encode to mp3, and that high bitrate mp3 is benign compared to some of the things one can do with mastering plugins. not even tapers and owners of uncirced shows can upload mp3s, but they can upload all the badly post processed uncirced stuff they want. (or is this now changing?)

What we are basically saying, is we will pull a shitty "remaster" if we determine the remaster to be shitty. Our criteria for "remasters" is subjective and inconsistent as hell, so if you don't want to subject your killer EQ job to our wishy-washy merit judgement, simply seed the thing without "remastering" it

Seeding raw (or mostly raw) sources is more along the lines of what TTD is here for... So - if you have a super kick ass tape of some show that Bertha remastered and you think it's awesome, seed it. See what happens. if you don't want to worry about what we'll think, seed the source, as unmolested as possible.

banning bad remasters of existing sources is a no-brainer...but if the taper or owner of uncirced shows can do whatever, including brickwall/limit, apply gobs of digital NR, extreme EQ, watermark, etc., then quality is optional, and the taper's discretion is now the standard. shit, you might as well allow mp3s. some people would prefer that, as they have limited bandwidth, and we'd see some shows pop up here that are only available in lossy. plus, if a taper wanted to release his master recordings raw as VO mp3, holding back the raw flac as trade bait, I know I'd prefer the raw mp3s to such alternatives as a flac version of him passing his master through a cassette gen, or brickwalling it, or adding mallard quacks every five minutes and seeding that as the teaser.

[jameskg]

You are arguing about hypothetical situations.

It isn't needed. I promise you we've already discussed it all.


We'll make decisions on a case by case basis.

Don't let the technical shit take primary focus...
Go download and listen to something

[suprden]

I am downloading a laser-disc rip!

not available on dvd.

[dcbullet]

...and work on your share ratio.

[suprden]

I'm applying the old audio/video ttd policy of doing whatever I want to share ratio

[suprden]

Originally Posted by jameskg

You are arguing about hypothetical situations.

It isn't needed. I promise you we've already discussed it all.


We'll make decisions on a case by case basis.

Don't let the technical shit take primary focus...
Go download and listen to something

if only it were hypothetical jim, but it isn't. too bad ttd didn't have such wisdom years ago, quite a few shows might today circulate in the highest quality, but instead the only commonly circulating copies are the remasters.

[chinajoe]

why not create a thread that has a couple of before and after samples.
its all subjective, but if enough of us hear such samples then we can vote
and decide together. if approved, then the torrent itself should have before and after samples.

on a side note, if you cant use digital nr, then how else do you get rid of some hiss? or would hiss reduction not apply in such a situation. fyi, it involves the only known copies (though not masters)

[jameskg]

Originally Posted by chinajoe

why not create a thread that has a couple of before and after samples.
its all subjective, but if enough of us hear such samples then we can vote
and decide together. if approved, then the torrent itself should have before and after samples.

on a side note, if you cant use digital nr, then how else do you get rid of some hiss? or would hiss reduction not apply in such a situation. fyi, it involves the only known copies (though not masters)

nah

it isn't taht big a deal.

we just want certain "I'll remaster my cat" fellows to know we are going to start pulling needless "remasters" from habitual EQ-monkey offenders.

[rspencer]

Samples would be pointless.

We take enough time coming to a consensus on things within just several mods. Mixing in lots & lots of members wouldn't help.