TTD Staff: Why don't you follow your own rules?

[daddyray]

perhaps this video was made available through more conjuring...this place is awesome

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

So how was it torrented if you had the only copy? Magic?

Oh it definitely couldn't have been magic.

Flotsam and Jetsam absolutely flipped out last time somebody referred to magic as being ANY part of the lineage.....

and those two guys KNOW when they're being bullshitted, ain't that right, Billy Bob Bullet?

[Quackers]

Originally Posted by FotherMucker99

One of my master DVDs was uploaded on here a few weeks ago _AGAINST MY WILL_. It clearly states in the DVD menu that I do not wish my DVD to be torrented at all.

Originally Posted by Homebrew101

what dvd is it?

Good question. After reading this and even it it's something I don't give a fuck about, NOW I'd like to have it

[pmonk]

Originally Posted by freezer

Oh it definitely couldn't have been magic.

Flotsam and Jetsam absolutely flipped out last time somebody referred to magic as being ANY part of the lineage.....

and those two guys KNOW when they're being bullshitted, ain't that right, Billy Bob Bullet?

I thought magic and plastic microphones are a non-no at TTD?

[pmonk]

I wonder if any of the dumb ass mods in the place understand why this taper/trader wants the torrent taken down?

[Wolf]

What makes a bootleg a Master? Does Master apply only to shows filmed using tapes? Or it can apply to shows filmed on a hard drive or a memory card?


Audio:

AUD > Recording Device (Digital - Hard Drive) > USB > WAV > Audio Editing Software > FLAC

Would that be considered a 1st Gen? Since the MASTER was transfered to PC and then edited (cleaned up) in an audio editing program and then converted to FLAC. Is MASTER meaning that the original file is intact and only the taper has the master version. If he makes a copy of the master, it is a master clone? Am I right?

Video:

AUD > Camera > SD Card > SD Card Reader > RAW Files > Video Editing Program > DVD Authoring Program > DVD

^^ This would be a 1st Gen too right since it was trasnferred from SD card to PC and then changed its RAW format to DVD format?

So can Digital Camera files, files recorded in WMV/MP3 format also be considered MASTERs? Whats the difference between Master/1st Gen/Master Clone? And my examples listed above Master or 1st Gen?

thanks, just want some info before I put up some shows

[sabkisscrue]

I dont think the problem is just with the Mods, its the general
consensus. There isnt too many
downloaders here that used to be traders who dealt with filmers,
its a whole new crop of people who are used to getting things
at a click, so why should they respect the people
who bust their ass and put all the hard work into filming these
shows that are torrented here? Why should they be expected
to understand that there is a lot of hard work put into
filming shows and making them available? They arent Geniuses,
ill tell ya that. All they care about is how soon they
can get it, anything else is something that doesnt even
register to them.

But I happen to think and maybe its completely crazy (
you tell me),
that a Mod should be above that.
If there is any reason that a torrent should be taken
down, a Mod should be willing to do it or look into it
especially if the person
responsible for the dvd wants it taken down.
For any Mod to have the passive aggressive attitude
"we dont care",
thats not Mod behavior. A mod should be above it all,
and fair and above all, respectful. That is a Mod.
Not someone who doesnt care. Dont call yourself a Mod
if your attitude is I dont care. If thats your attitude, step
down. You wanna be a Mod, than handle it and do something.
Above all, you must be respectful and never give off the
impression you arent willing to do something just because
you dont feel like it. Understand that there wouldnt be a dvd
to upload if this person didnt put the work into it, so show
some respect to him and take it down.

[sabkisscrue]

A master is where it came from. It could be the camera master. The tape you recorded off tv with or it could be what is left, in other words the master was either destroyed or lost or no longer exists. So what you have left could be the master as well.

[rspencer]

A master is the original source. In the digital age, it's no longer physical media, but the originally circulated files. Generation usually just comes into play with CDR generations. Physically, the DAT/cassette/reel the show was recorded onto is the master.

And that's that. If the lowest circulating copy is 5th generation, it is not a master. Not even if all earlier gens no longer exist. It's a 5th gen copy of a show in which lower gens don't exist, nothing more.


In your examples, you recorded it, transferred it, edit/author, and then circulate that copy...it's the master.

[rspencer]

Originally Posted by pmonk

I wonder if any of the dumb ass mods in the place understand why this taper/trader wants the torrent taken down?

Other than that his demand in the menu was ignored, I haven't seen a reason stated. And barring unusual circumstances, it wouldn't make any difference.

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/..._taper_removal

I'm the taper/author/filmer and I want that show removed!
Our policy here is similar to that at a major torrent site. The rights to the audio/video belong to the performer. Once that show gets out of your hands, you don't have any control over what is done with it. If someone uploads a show that you taped/filmed/authored/remastered, you may ask the uploader to remove it ONCE (any other requests may be deleted at the discretion of the Mods), but it is up to them whether they want to ask us to remove it. However, that doesn't mean that show is permanently banned from here. Someone else may end up uploading it and not feel like asking for it to be removed.

The official music over the menus doesn't get an automatic ban here like at some other sites. The NYCBC trick doesn't work here.

Bottom line is that if you don't want it circulating, don't let it out. Once it's traded out, it will end up as a torrent somewhere. The uploader had a copy to upload, so it was circulating already, even if not torrented yet.

And if there was no intention to circulate it, there would have been no reason to place any request to keep it off the internet in the menu.

I understand the issue. I have shows you'll never see on the internet, because they'll not be circulated, period. Those go only to a couple trusted other tapers & a couple close friends. If you trade it, it's gonna make the rounds.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by sabkisscrue

For any Mod to have the passive aggressive attitude
"we dont care",
thats not Mod behavior. A mod should be above it all,
and fair and above all, respectful. That is a Mod.
Not someone who doesnt care. Dont call yourself a Mod
if your attitude is I dont care. If thats your attitude, step
down. You wanna be a Mod, than handle it and do something.
Above all, you must be respectful and never give off the
impression you arent willing to do something just because
you dont feel like it. Understand that there wouldnt be a dvd
to upload if this person didnt put the work into it, so show
some respect to him and take it down.

My attitude is not passive aggressive. I actively believe that our policy is correct. This has nothing to do with me "not feeling like it." FM99 came in here with a piss poor attitude and I let him know our reasons.

You act like I don't understand the issue. My recordings get put up on blog sites as mp3's. I don't like that. I get it.

[rspencer]

I sent a couple shows as CDR to a Yahoo group for a certain artist. They were available as torrents, but nobody there could seem to grasp the BT thing. So no biggie, I gave them a couple copies to make copies from & get it to all the members. All I asked was that they not start passing it around as mp3.

2 weeks later, one of the members posts a rapidshare link to the mp3s he had made. I politely pointed out that I had publicly asked that they not do that. I didn't ask that they be taken down, didn't ask that they not d/l them, etc. Done is done.

But I did suggest that they start learning bittorrrent, because I wasn't sending the other show that I'd recorded.

No point racing to close the door once the horse is out. Maybe FM99 traded it to someone, who traded again, etc....it'll get out. Would it be nice if everyone complied with his request? Of course. But you can't get common courtesy with a large percentage of the people you see face-to-face each day, so I wouldn't expect it with people on the internet.

[sabkisscrue]

If the master doesnt exist as it was thrown out by accident or lost, yes you could consider a 1st gen or a 2nd gen a master because its physically there. It doesnt have to technically be a master in order for it to be considered a master or called a master, but you have to be specific about that.
Lineage would still say 1st or 2nd, etc.

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

........
1. We don't care if a taper doesn't want their stuff torrented. If they don't want it traded, don't trade it out. I'm not going to police and try to figure out who the real taper is, etc. I'm sure you can see the practical impossibility for me know who is who on the internet.

so, WE DON'T CARE IF WE DON'T HAVE YOUR PERMISSION. DON'T GIVE YOUR SHIT TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TORRENTED. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE FROM ADAM.

....................

It didn't take the deductive reasoning of a Sherlock Holmes to figure this out, Dick Tracy........


http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...60&postcount=1



ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TAPER'S NAME IS LISTED IN THE LINEAGE, Billy Bob Bullet-Boy...........

VOLBEAT

Date: 2008.10.16
Venue: Posthof
City: Linz
Country: Austria


Video Lineage: Generation: Panasonic NV-GS 3>MINI-DV Master>DVDR when burned
Audio Lineage: AUD>IRIVER>MD(1)>WAV>FLAC>Stereo>256 kb/s Sony ECM-719 Microphone -> Sony MZ-R900
Taper: FotherMucker99
Video Bitrate: 720X480
DVD Author: FotherMucker99 (incomplete)
DVD Length: 86 min
Menu/Chapters: Yes/Yes
Artwork: No





However, I do agree with Billy Bob Bullet-Boy's assessment about untruthstworthy --

Originally Posted by dcbullet-boy

DON'T GIVE YOUR SHIT TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TRUSTWORTHY

But, say, when did this site become so untrutsworthy? Maybe it was when Flotsam and Jetsam thought they were being "bullshitted" but actually weren't? Could that have been the official start of the decline in trust here?

[ZJLI]

This 'ribs' thing is funny to maybe one person


Holy fucking shit.