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View Poll Results: Should we ban mindless leechers?
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 1.0 27 4.03%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.75 29 4.33%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.50 131 19.55%
Yes, If their share ratio is less than 0.25 158 23.58%
No, not under any circumstances. Let karma take over! 201 30.00%
Give them a warning and allow them to make up for their wrongdoing by ul'ing constantly. 177 26.42%
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Old 2009-05-13, 10:53 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Some ppl DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY in order to listen to music - i know i don't. Forst of all, i like talking to and being around REAL LIVE people rather than talking in the net. But it's not that i don't talk to people in the net, i'm always happy to make personal friends, who are actually interested in what i have to say or i'm interested in what they have to say, nor do i avoid all message boards, but to waste my time yammering about music with random people? No thanks.

We also don't live under outright communism just yet - at least in letter the western society is individualistic. You people gotta re-learn what liberty means and what are the principles behind it.

If you share your recordings, what is wrong with ppl downloading them without giving anything back? You are the one who shared unselfishly, but then you make demands. There are really nice people who share recordings and are happy people appreciate them and enjoy them - and these people don't demand anything back - except perhaps they like to know that their efforts are being appreciated - these are really DECENT sharers.

And i never jump off torrents when i'm the only seeder and someone is downloading - but that's the thing, in the end people who support individualism and liberty are actually decent people - that kind of thing isn't decided by ratio (you wanna know how many people i have sent shows just cause i've had something they wanted? At least over ten - but i SURE AS HELL wouldn't want to do it if i felt FORCED so that someone accepts me and deems me worthy - nor do i ALWAYS do it, sometimes i have my reasons not to.)

But under liberty, even being not decent should be allowed because we're all on our own trips on this planet.

Ultimately, the people who jump off torrents bveing the only seeder etc., are the only ones who know why they do that. If they feel they are doing the right thing - it's their business to learn on their own whether or not they are not. By FORCING A POLICY you will not make a SINGLE PERSON better in any way shape or form on this planet. And ultimately it's not up to you to decide what's better.

And why do i read threads just as this if i don't have time or interest in this "community"? Because i saw the title of the thread and thought i would have something constructive to say.

No need to debate with me, you'll come to your own understanding through the application of your God-given sentience - as have/will i.
exactly my point!
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Old 2009-05-16, 11:29 PM
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Bad Ratio. A petty crime, yes.
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Old 2009-05-17, 05:53 AM
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No need to debate with me, you'll come to your own understanding through the application of your God-given sentience - as have/will i.
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

Torrenting=not good.

-It enables and encourages the "instant gratification" mentality.
-It does not foster a sense of community that is present amongst "real" traders.
-It demotes the hobby of taping. People realize they can sit in their basement and push a few buttons thus getting them practically any show they want,without giving the slightest bit of anything back to the "community".
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Old 2009-05-17, 03:33 PM
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Torrenting=not good.

-It enables and encourages the "instant gratification" mentality.
-It does not foster a sense of community that is present amongst "real" traders.
-It demotes the hobby of taping. People realize they can sit in their basement and push a few buttons thus getting them practically any show they want,without giving the slightest bit of anything back to the "community".
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Old 2009-05-17, 03:38 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

a horse n buggy fan?

time marches forward even if it isn't progress
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a horse n buggy fan?

time marches forward even if it isn't progress
Didn't someone just offer you some uncirculated masters if you'd seed them and you turned them down because you weren't up to speed in that regard?

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Old 2009-05-17, 09:13 PM
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Torrenting=not good.

-It enables and encourages the "instant gratification" mentality.
-It does not foster a sense of community that is present amongst "real" traders.
-It demotes the hobby of taping. People realize they can sit in their basement and push a few buttons thus getting them practically any show they want,without giving the slightest bit of anything back to the "community".
Welcome to the YouTube generation Hopalong..
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

As a thoughtless seeder, I have determined that I have little to say and that the opinions here are of low or no value.
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Old 2009-05-18, 12:11 PM
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Old 2009-05-18, 01:05 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

I have never been formally offered anything, my good man. I was sent a few questions in a PM.....
Perhaps you are referring to the jazz n heritage radio show but I did not take that question about that show as an offer....I took that as more music talk ala the Red Sticker Ramblers, which is where I chimed in.....oh well
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Freezer if you play harp as suggested perhaps you might check out Joe Filisko who was harp of the year in 92(?) and is a friend and former teacher.
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Old 2009-05-18, 07:44 PM
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I didn't say I was good at it, I said I was gonna practice.
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Old 2009-05-19, 10:57 AM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

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Torrenting=not good.

-It enables and encourages the "instant gratification" mentality.
Do you grow your own food? How about your own weed? Build your own car? Paint all of your own artwork?

Instant gratification does not always equate to laziness. The internet has given all of us the ability to get some things quickly, be it shows, information, airline tickets, porn, or casual encounters with strangers

Yes, some will always exploit that. But stating that as a whole bit torrent is not good because of those few. I just don't understand. I see plenty of ratios on bt sites that show there are still people that give very generously, and kind enough to explain it to newbies in a way that is not self-righteous or attacking them.

I also can't grasp how someone can say that this medium for trading/exchanging is bad. I used to go through a boatload of bubble mailers, postage, and in essence a lot of resources (postal workers salaries, gas, vehicles, CDR's, sometimes planes I imagine) just to get a nice set of SHN's to someone on the east coast or out of the country. Now, I can serve them and access them in a much more eco friendly way IMO.

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-It does not foster a sense of community that is present amongst "real" traders.
Disagree. I have been a 'real' trader for a very long time, before online trading. I have fostered more friendships and been a part of, and help create communities that people choose the level they wish to participate in. If someone wants to become a part of any online community, it is rather simple and easier than hoping that you may have something that is worthy to the person that holding the show you are interested in. Before Sharingthegroove, I had a limited Jazz collection, and I love prince and that snail mail community was almost impossible to get into and I had a hard time even getting a couple of shows. I think if anything it broke up the elitist trading circles and brought a lot of great shows out of woodwork.

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-It demotes the hobby of taping. People realize they can sit in their basement and push a few buttons thus getting them practically any show they want,without giving the slightest bit of anything back to the "community".
Once again, big generalization. I have been duped a handful of times trading with 'real' traders. Snail Mail leechers are out there too.

I think it actually has brought the hobby of taping to a whole new level. From access to information about equipment to hints/tricks for getting the best out of whatever gear you have. We have a whole sub-forum here dedicated to the hobby of taping. I have seen quite a few people post from their initial questions about equipment, taping, seeding all the way through purchasing the equipment and then eventually posting their first show and watching them get better, posting more shows, and love their new hobby.
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Old 2009-05-19, 12:46 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

Excellent post Bill.
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Old 2009-05-19, 12:54 PM
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Re: Should we ban thoughtless leechers?

I prefer his posts about undies
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