We've had a great 20 years!

[ccrider895]

I hate to bump this, but here we are again. The site will close by the end of this month if no one else takes it over. I can not keep up this site anymore.

Hey Lynne, I'm putting out the ask to some more technically-oriented music geek friends. Can you give me a summary in a couple paragraphs of what particular knowledge/skills it would require to run this site, so I can pass it on?

Thanks in advance, and I hope it doesn't come to that, but I am grateful for all you've done, and for Xavier for keeping it going for a bit longer.

[dandrew]

Hey Lynne, I'm putting out the ask to some more technically-oriented music geek friends. Can you give me a summary in a couple paragraphs of what particular knowledge/skills it would require to run this site, so I can pass it on?

Lynne created a summary in an earlier thread >>

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=183852

[kadinwinter]

TTD is the best of ALL of them. UNTOUCHABLE. A sad day, but I get it. I for one will always remember the insurmountable joy obtained seeing a new, unblocked glorious torrent come down the page. The Best.

Travel safely TTD, happy trails.

Thanks a Bazillion.

JDH

[leykis101]

Hey all things must pass,

can I say I hope you liked my uploads. I will still post stuff on guitars 101 (I will be able to get my mics back soon)

I have a few 2014 shows that I will repost before it shuts down

[Clean cut kid]

Thx a lot for all these years :clap:

[PABBY]

Damn, 20 years has gone so quickly. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this great site. Let's hope a saviour can be found.

[TheMysticMuse]

Damn, 20 years has gone so quickly. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this great site. Let's hope a saviour can be found.

Amen (and I'm not religious).

[burnboy]

Let's hope all works out for the best! I've been a member since 2004 but have just recently begin to appreciate how much better this site is than others of the same content. The downloaders tend to seed longer and the Moderators are much easier to deal with than other places.
Let's hope for another 20 years of this enjoyable site and pray that someone has the skills and desire to keep TTD alive.:rock:

[cheerup]

Thank you for the music.
I've been active on TTD only since 2008 but it was a great run. I'm still hoping that it will carry on.

[Unidecker]

Thanks lynne and the old original crew its been real..

[2M39LX]

Lynne,

Thank you for all of your years of stewardship and dedication.

[Ovi]

Thanks indeed for a great run :banger2::banger2::headbang::headbang::headbang:

[juncus]

Yikes seems I came just in time to say thank you for your efforts. As a developer I empathise with the position you find yourselves in. I made a custom commercial site with PHP and had to explain it would cost too much to update it after 10 years.
A database I use it 10 years past support but does what it does the best and I have export everything to PostgreSQL to get the modern benefits.
I wish you all well and look forward to seeing what xavier242 might do.

[joujoujou]

Shocking news. I genuinely hope though, that someone else takes it over, it would be really sad to have all that stuff and so many memories wiped off.

Anyway, thank you for everything you did so far throughout those years (19 for me), hopefully the storm will be soon over and sun will come out again over TTD.

[mpffffhhhh]

yeah... really sad. 19years for me also, and this is the place to say many, many, MANY thank yous to all involved over the years.
maybe, just maybe there will be a future? hope never stops.
again, tx to all involved

[soulcowboy]

Thanks for ALL your efforts over the years!! You'll be missed!!

[fanboy]

Xavier242 -

Thank you for giving TTD an extra couple of years and hope your health issues get resolved. Thanks to all the tapers, uploaders and community for sharing the wonderful music and providing an historical musical archive of live performances.

Cheers all!

[steelheader]

Traders Den will live on every time I play music I found on this site. Thanks for the run.

[Propaganda]

Hi Lynne,

All the best to you!
Thanks for keeping the site running for sooo long!
You are the best!

Gr. Frank

[fishyboots]

I'm so happy to have been a part of this fine community.
Thank You all for hard work & consistency.
I miss you all, already !...
CHEERS!

[quackser]

still hoping somebody with the skills will pick it up... even at my best, and I was a good coder and a fair designer, that's not me. Much love and get-wells to xavier242.

[Mr. Clumpy]

Thanks to everyone who's run and maintained the site, moderated it, shared their recordings, made the recordings, and kept recordings open years down the pike.

[pm1532]

Even though I haven't spoken too much on here, I still want to give my thanks to everyone for all the work they've been putting into the site. After Yeeshkul's closing, this was the best spot for bootlegs.

[shakehurst]

TTD will be missed. I've greatly enjoyed finding many gems here over the past 13 years.

[[email protected]]

hey, sorry to hear,i will miss you

[Macrinus]

I'm very thankful for everything that everyone has done to keep this wonderful site going for so long!

[jmazoso]

Sad day. I was one of the OGs from sharing the groove. Thank you U2Lynne and all for your hard work and the many great tunes.

[snagu]

Even though I haven't spoken too much on here, I still want to give my thanks to everyone for all the work they've been putting into the site. After Yeeshkul's closing, this was the best spot for bootlegs.

Interesting you should mention Yeeshkul, because some of the participants there set up a new site (Raving and Drooling (https://ravinganddrooling.com)) and decided to go with trackerless torrents.

[pm1532]

Interesting you should mention Yeeshkul, because some of the participants there set up a new site (Raving and Drooling (https://ravinganddrooling.com)) and decided to go with trackerless torrents.
I am fully aware of the site, but my setup currently cannot handle trackerless torrents, and a lot of their posts still redirect back to here.

[A-l-l-a-n-o-n]

thanks to all the guys and gals who keeps this great site alive for such a long time !!
I deeply hope, that there will be some kind of solution that some of you guys can carry on with this site....I will keep my fingers crossed for that.

[GASP!]

Sad news indeed...thanks for all the effort everyone has put in all these years - It's trult been appreciated! Let's hope for positive things going forwards...

[Manillo]

thanks to all the guys and gals who keeps this great site alive for such a long time !!
I deeply hope, that there will be some kind of solution that some of you guys can carry on with this site....I will keep my fingers crossed for that.



I second this.. could not said it better

[rhombus]

Waaah!

It has been great!

Thanks to all!

[BUD76]

A massive thank you to all the uploaders for there efforts.

[Audioarchivist]

So I got a message from my buddy recovering from 'rona2024, and he just signed up here and has to wait 48 hours before he can post - spambot cool off period? Parts of our chat are quoted below until he can talk here... Anyway, there is some hope, but it will need to be a bit of a team effort, gang!

so it looks like i have to wait 48 hours to post. i would be interested in the PHP and server stuff, not the admin/content stuff.
i sent a note the "webmaster":
he's had many offers. but the key is he likely needs more than one person, and they need to coordinate at some level
...as long as the division of labour and responsabilities is well defined

So, folks, there is hope alive! I think we're going to need some new team members to do day to day admin things and of course it will either happen or not happen, but it could keep on happening here! It can. I'm not sure how we all can co-ordinate this but let's try! I can be a part of it - maybe you can, too!

Let's see what happens, gang! Stay tuned! Sign up?

[dorrcoq]

Nice work, John

[sunshinedavedream]

Gentlemen- it's been a pleasure. Been collecting and taping live music since 1977. TTD has always been THE PLACE since i jumped into the online trading world. Everyone here should give themselves a pat on the back. In-fucking-credible times. Godspeed to ALL of you! Dave

[dusborne]

I dreamed of having loads of live bootlegs of my favorite bands in the 80's and 90's, this place made those dreams come true. Thank you so much for making it happen!

[stonytokes]

Thanks to all. I hope that TTD will continue in another form. It seems like a lot of RoIO sites are going the way of the dodo lately. Many thanks for all the great music.

[WilliamFruntz]

Anticipated running costs for this year: $1217.86
12 x $98.99 (hosting) + 2 x $19.99 (domain renewals)
User contributions this year: $170.70
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMWp0MXp1NDlqZzBhcmhlNGVmYTNrNmh4b3I5ZDQ5cnRxZjRsYjkzbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/12pWLnLOSggd9yzklS/giphy.gif

[stellar]

Thank you for these many years! It's been amazing!

[Dan33185]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMWp0MXp1NDlqZzBhcmhlNGVmYTNrNmh4b3I5ZDQ5cnRxZjRsYjkzbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/12pWLnLOSggd9yzklS/giphy.gif


Part of the problem is it's complicated to donate, not everyone is in to crypto or digital wallets.

[abg94022]

Thanks, it's been a blast.

[Orangeboy]

Part of the problem is it's complicated to donate, not everyone is in to crypto or digital wallets.

Is this inaccurate?

Or you may donate by credit card here: https://www.everbutton.com/pay/14153/289740160e4f
To contribute via cash, check or money order, please PM U2Lynne.

[quackser]

Part of the problem is it's complicated to donate, not everyone is in to crypto or digital wallets.

but u2Lynne is saying it's not the money, it's the time and effort: the existing miracle workers are worn out, the tech is behind the times, skill and energy and time are needed.

I sent money anyway.

[Wadeink]

Thank you!!!

[WilliamFruntz]

Even if money isn’t the reason for the closure, someone still has to pay for it and it’s currently at a $1000 deficit and has been running on a deficit for years I believe. Is Lynne supposed to keep paying for the site even if someone takes over the tech side? More money could get someone to work on the tech side of the site for a fee if people really wanted to save the site. But people aren’t even donating enough just for the basics currently needed.

[JawsTrade]

I will really miss you. Thank you so very much.

JawsTrade

[slipkid68]

Nothing lasts forever, but I rue the days the Internet loses a cultural resource like TTD. It's a testament to taping — really, the option is silence, and a concert chronology showing "no known recording" — that the craft somehow manages to outlive the technology that runs this platform.

Please keep us posted as a successor site emerges. And deepest gratitude to all who made this one possible. Thank you!

[HamGoesThump]

Pointless I know, but I'd also like to add a little mild profanity to the mix:

Son of a bitch!

Reminds me of when What.CD closed, life just hasn't been the same.

[bertvanhal]

I was suprised to read this. But I understand why. But I also regret it. Thank you for all the music. And I do hope there will be “resurrection”🙏

[ratskcalb]

Thank you for everything, guys. Sad to see it going down, but it was such a fun. See you in another life, brothers.

[KevinS]

:disbelief

[AlexPhoenix]

Even if money isn’t the reason for the closure, someone still has to pay for it and it’s currently at a $1000 deficit and has been running on a deficit for years I believe. Is Lynne supposed to keep paying for the site even if someone takes over the tech side? More money could get someone to work on the tech side of the site for a fee if people really wanted to save the site. But people aren’t even donating enough just for the basics currently needed.

I will be happy to donate, and I'm sure a fundraiser would clear that $1000 deficit, but we do need tech-savvy folks to step forward and handle the running of the site.

[becks dark]

I would like to say it's been an honor to have been on this site with like minded folks. I hope everyone enjoyed the shows that Billy and I brought to you. We met a lot of good people here. Take care and God bless you all.

[fidelbootlegs]

Thanks for everything
________________

[GuilhermeKossoff]

Hi everybody!

So, i'm programmer and if the community needs to help, maybe i can do something. Like, uptating database, codebase, etc.
Yes, i know that task don't so simple, but i know TDD a many years, around 2006/2007.

I can't say "sure thing" but we can talk about it.

[oceanmaster]

Considering this site has been active so long and it has so many active users is there no way to fix this? If we have someone taking it over how do we assist them in making the new site a success? Is there a donation page or somewhere that users who want to make sure it succeeds can help?

[tywebb]

Considering this site has been active so long and it has so many active users is there no way to fix this? If we have someone taking it over how do we assist them in making the new site a success? Is there a donation page or somewhere that users who want to make sure it succeeds can help?
Here you can donate:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/contribute.php?

[dandrew]

Here you can donate:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/contribute.php?

As others have said, the financial considerations, while important, are currently secondary to the main concern, which is finding a person (or people?) with the technical know-how to keep the site running.

[will83]

Thank you kindly for everything

[Wilhelm]

Here you can donate:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/contribute.php?


If there was an option to donate via PayPal and not by credit card, I would be happy to donate immediately...

[pm1532]

So if/when the time finally comes, where else are you guys going to go to?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to discuss this.

[WilliamFruntz]

If there was an option to donate via PayPal and not by credit card, I would be happy to donate immediately...

Paypal are bitches who don't like porn or legally grey music distribution.

But you could buy bitcoin on Paypal and then send that to TTD's wallet. Although the buy and transfer fees are not good compared to Coinbase.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/what-can-i-do-with-crypto-on-paypal-help893

You can also buy and send Bitcoin on CashApp, Venmo, Robinhood, Kraken.

[voyager19770905]

Hi everybody!

So, i'm programmer and if the community needs to help, maybe i can do something. Like, uptating database, codebase, etc.
Yes, i know that task don't so simple, but i know TDD a many years, around 2006/2007.

I can't say "sure thing" but we can talk about it.

Same here!

[spun2u]

Damn, sorry to hear the news!! Thanks @U2lynne for all the years of devotion to the site and all good vibes to xavier242 for his health issues.

[daspyknows]

If there was an option to donate via PayPal and not by credit card, I would be happy to donate immediately...

Paypal shuts down money to sites like this for promoting copyright infringements. Takes forever to get money back. Another site dealt with that.

[urbmannen]

Thanks for everything

[Chivers]

Je suis désolé. Merci beaucoup pour le plaisir que vous m'avez donné

I am sad Thank you very much for the happiness you have given me
:wave:

[thesabman]

Thank You Lynne for all you have done. And all those who contributed to this site. All the uploaders, especially Rayeemarc, for all those Blue Cheer shows.

[dorrcoq]

Looks like there are a handful of parties interested in taking on the challenge. Can the deadline be extended while they coordinate their efforts?

[yurco122]

Thank you for the joy over the years. Hopefully it will be reborn.:)

[bluorangefyre]

Last time I went on a downloading binge before this place almost went away. This time, I'm on a smaller downloading binge, but I'm definitely doing some uploading! Bigly BT has this neat little thing that automatically tags where something came from. So consequently, I shut down everything else, and I'm uploading all known TTD torrents, at least in the last two and a half years since I switched to the iMac. Just in case.

Anyhow, Xavier, hope you get answers soon, and get well soon! Don't you dare die on us, good sir.

[bendywendy]

Thanks to all that have kept TTD online in recent years, and to all that have shared music here. If shnflac.net could open registrations, that sure would be helpful right about now

[phishtwain]

Member for 13 years, and just want to say thank you for all the time and effort you put into this place!!
Will be missed!

[78jazz]

Thanks to all that have kept TTD online in recent years, and to all that have shared music here. If shnflac.net could open registrations, that sure would be helpful right about now

Are they primarily a Grateful Dead site?

[greendude]

Are they primarily a Grateful Dead site?

Not like they used to be. There's a big variety over there, and everything is welcome. :)

[78jazz]

Not like they used to be. There's a big variety over there, and everything is welcome. :)

Nice!

I wonder if someone should ask.

[greendude]

Not like they used to be. There's a big variety over there, and everything is welcome. :)

Nice!

I wonder if someone should ask.

I believe they plan on opening enrollment some time in the future. I have no idea exactly when though. Hopefully sooner, rather than later.

[micgram]

wow i thought it was longer.thanks to everyone involved.peace

[bluorangefyre]

wow i thought it was longer.thanks to everyone involved.peace

This site evolved out of STG. At least we have a bit of a warning here. Twice.

[WilliamFruntz]

Maybe Grayson can take it over.

[fubar]

EOL

[dramakat]

OMG !! Somebody sell some T-Shirts !!

[jayseedy]

Thank you for helping to broaden my musical knowledge with the wide variety of great music that so many people have contributed here over the years. Thank you all. Jayseedy

[KIWIWAL]

Many thanks for your efforts over the years...much appreciated:)

[JerryRocks]

Thanks for everything and to everyone here at TTD.

[martinstein]

Thanks for this place.

It surely will be missed :(

[krdort]

Passing along my thanks to all who helped make this site as great as it is. :clap:

[GBPackers]

Thanks to all that contributed to keep this site up and running over the years!

[mark]

my 20th anniversary here would have been in november. thank you for a great 19 years 10 months. i have a lot to listen to to remind me of the good times on the site.

[A-l-l-a-n-o-n]

So if/when the time finally comes, where else are you guys going to go to?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to discuss this.

well, as said earlier here in this thread, I still hope that TTD will keep going on in some kind of way...I deeply hope this !!

But if not, where to share live music (seed/leech) besides Dime?
Maybe this site can be a solution ?
ZOMB
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/
Rock music oriented, but I think they are open for all kind of stuff, as well.
Not so strict in the rules as DIME, but I have not tested this to the limit ;-)
Maybe, I will share and catch more there in the future, but not sure if my classical torrents will be very welcome there, though ....
...just a thought....

[dorrcoq]

I hope that somehow TTD will continue. I sure the hell won't go to DIME, and when I looked into other sites 2 years ago when we had the last closedown care I didn't find anywhere else where I felt comfortable.

I'm certainly not going to stop mastering shows. I might just have to take names of people who are interested in my future shows and circulate the shows via wetransfer links.

[zaval80]

But if not, where to share live music (seed/leech) besides Dime?
...
Maybe, I will share and catch more there in the future, but not sure if my classical torrents will be very welcome there, though ....


thetradersden.freeforums.net was designated back in 2022 as a reserve. It is good for sharing private torrents and links.

[mr breeze]

take care everybody! its been fun. :wave:

[Lobito]

thetradersden.freeforums.net was designated back in 2022 as a reserve. It is good for sharing private torrents and links.

pass on dime and zomb.
is that up and running still? is there a place where you can up NRBQ? a site that wont f with your stuff.
you can do dylan at the watchingtheriverflow site.

[zaval80]

pass on dime and zomb.
is that up and running still? is there a place where you can up NRBQ? a site that wont f with your stuff.

It's up, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. But the activity there is close to non-existent, purely because that was a reserve site "just in case".

[trueseadog]

Cheers for all the great music.

[PanTau]

Really hope that more sneak in there, as a pool of people who want that the things go on and not down through the toilet.
But I have to admit that I'm feeling helpless and empty.
So join

thetradersden.freeforums.net

and hope for a miracle.

[WilliamFruntz]

Just don't post newhalfs, goatse, or tubgirl on freeforums. They really don't like that.

[bluorangefyre]

well, as said earlier here in this thread, I still hope that TTD will keep going on in some kind of way...I deeply hope this !!

But if not, where to share live music (seed/leech) besides Dime?
Maybe this site can be a solution ?
ZOMB
http://zombtracker.the-zomb.com/
Rock music oriented, but I think they are open for all kind of stuff, as well.
Not so strict in the rules as DIME, but I have not tested this to the limit ;-)
Maybe, I will share and catch more there in the future, but not sure if my classical torrents will be very welcome there, though ....
...just a thought....

And they're currently running a ratio free period through the end of the month.

[Lobito]

It's up, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. But the activity there is close to non-existent, purely because that was a reserve site "just in case".

will definitely check it out if this one closes up. guitars101 is good too no mods to f with your stuff.

[zaval80]

I think everybody knows about G101 :)

[jpeace]

I hope that somehow TTD will continue. I sure the hell won't go to DIME, and when I looked into other sites 2 years ago when we had the last closedown care I didn't find anywhere else where I felt comfortable.

I'm certainly not going to stop mastering shows. I might just have to take names of people who are interested in my future shows and circulate the shows via wetransfer links.
I hear ya about DIME. I have two years worth of recordings to upload, was about to start binge uploading, then got this message. Without this site there is no future to live trading. If we allow TTD to close then the labels have won and we all should give up and go back to our day jobs

[Roy]

Warning: mushy emotional content ahead

I'm quite saddened by the closure of TTD. There's too many names of contributors to specifically mention, so I just wanna say how thankful I am to have been a participant here. There's nothing really else I can say than thank you thank you thank you. Without really getting due credit, your generosity made my hobby an amazing fucking blast.

I'm now entering the final innings of my life & when I reflect back to the early 80s when the mere idea that, for example, I'd some day be able to enjoy Led Zeppelin's entire 1971 tour of Japan (from multiple tapers!) and how all those magnificent, amazing, historical artists who I loved would honor us fans by playing live for us one more time..... and now knowing they never will (or can't) again.... it's like the tragic sudden slamming of a door shut.

I'll never ever be able to see Paul McCartney or Brian Wilson or Dave & Ray Davies or The Zombies or Jimmy Page or Elton or Crosby Stills & Nash again. These amazing heroes rocked it to the end & I was so lucky to have seen (and recorded) their performances... and to all who are reading this message, God bless you for sharing these naughty unofficial recordings -- even to the extent of learning how to tastefully use modern software to enhance our enjoyment of them --- I am popping-open & raising my cold Heineken to you.

These wonderful memories are but mere zeros and ones on our hard drives, CDs & DVDs.... but they sure represent a whole lot more, don't they?

Does anyone remember a time when only a handful of The Beatles' BBC performances existed and they were on awful multi-gen vinyl pressings titled "Yellow Matter Custard" ???

If you're a fan of late 60s rock, did you ever think The fuckin' Zombies would reunite and perform "Odessy and Oracle" live?

I never thought in a million years I'd get to record Crosby Stills Nash & Young from the 2nd row. But I did. Just a few feet away from Neil's son, seated in his wheelchair.

The last time Sir Paul McCartney performed at the United Center in Chicago, I stretched my arm out (nearly dropping my recording gear) and as he left the stage, he jumped up and high-fived me.

Seeing the 2003 iteration The Yardbirds at the Abbey Pub in Chicago. Wow.

Getting caught at the 2001 Chicago Blues Festival by a rent-a-cop who asked me if I was "making illegal bootleg recordings"... and at the Neil Young concert in Tinley Park in 2000 when I argued and argued for over an hour about how I was doing nothing morally wrong and NO, I am not surrendering my MiniDiscs. HAHAHAAH!

Why did these experiences happen? Because sharing live recordings is fucking cool to the tiny few who understand and I wanted to be there to get a tiny sample of the thrill and share it here. So, it's because of you on TTD that I had these experiences. I want to tell everyone that. You are why I got those wonderful memories.

I'm hoping heaven includes a listening room for us to meet and have a laugh and a listen forever. See you there.

[zaval80]

This site is a torrent tracker requiring login/password. There's also a forum I've mentioned on the previous page, also requiring login/password - where it is possible to run private torrents and to post links. There is a "blogspot" model - a site having a "c-box" (or a "shout box"), where uploaders have to use login/password, but their links (posted in the "box") are open for everybody. Lastly, the kind of a specialized forum where links are in the open like Guitars101. (In any case, as long as certain popular upload sites are used, it's even possible to upload to them without logging to the said upoad sites.) So there are at least four different models for a new site.

[lgerard]

Very sad to see the demise of this fine website. Big thanks to those who managed to fan the embers of STG into something that lasted for 20 years, that is quite an achievement, and one I am very thankful for.
You have certainly earned the right to spend your time listening to and enjoying music without concerning yourselves with the never ending details of its distribution.

On an equally sad note I just discovered that a hard drive issue wiped out all my beloved Neko Case recordings that I downloaded from here. I will never be able to get them back as they seem to have been consigned to dead torrent land. Oy. it's always something.....

[dreamliner77]

How bad is the hard drive? I have some experience in data recovery

[davebowman]

Warning: mushy emotional content ahead


Spoken from the heart Roy my friend and dare I say you echo the sentiments of many more who will be saddened by the dreaded '404' that awaits us all. :(

I'll miss this place and the people who made it possible, my heartfelt thanks to you all.

:cheers:

[bluorangefyre]

I'm going to make a rather weird suggestion. Keep the forum, but shut down the tracker. Hear me out on this. When we went through this two years ago, in the immediate aftermath it was suggested to look at the seeding opportunities link to keep old torrents from dying, which I did. What puzzled me was BiglyBT would show a torrent I'd downloaded had seeders, but the TTD tracker itself didn't. At first I chalked it up to, "Well, the site is old." It was a Fleetwood Mac concert that got my attention. BiglyBT showed four seeders, but TTD showed zero. I forced a scrape in BiglyBT and it still showed four seeders, but none here. And that's when I discovered a lot of these are floating around on DHT. I think it's about 50/50 between DHT and private torrent, based on what I've downloaded since April 2022. To prove this point, I just downloaded a rather large torrent, not flagged private, de-selecting TTD as a scrape option, and the entire thing just downloaded via DHT. I also paid attention to port numbers in the peers section. At least one seeder wasn't from here. It still reported back here that I'd downloaded it, however. I'll play around with it, because in any event my share ratio - which dropped from a 3.09 to a 3.06 just now - isn't going to matter in a couple of weeks. EDIT: On my second attempt, I flat out removed any reference to TTD from the list of sources, and successfully downloaded something over DHT, without anything bouncing back to TTD. No peers from here, nothing showing I downloaded it from here.

Tl;dr, the forum - the community, the history, the knowledge - is more valuable than the tracker at this point. And seeds (no pun intended) for the way forward were planted twenty years ago. I'll add in my editing that I'd take it on, if I had the financial resources to do it, but I won't until 2033 at the earliest, if ever.

[mr breeze]

i just figured out the site was closing. I'm so sad to hear that. i've only been here for 10 years :wtf: but its been fun making friends in this community and sharing and receiving music with the group. Enjoyed all you different folks and the threads and stuff.
life is for learning... forgot what that's from, but its, (forgot what i was gonna say on that line).
i'm gonna miss everyone here, and this site and the communtiy here.
happy trails everybody! george :wave:

[AlexPhoenix]

When Yeeshkul! ceased to operate back in February 2023, a bunch of Floydheads from there launched Raving & Drooling. Some clever souls managed to preserve all the threads from Yeeshkul! and they are readable in an archive there. They don't run a tracker - all new torrents are trackerless and connect through DHT. It does mean the torrents are no longer private but that's a minor issue IMHO. If no-one steps forward to replace Xavier and handle the IT, this could well be the way forward.

[bluorangefyre]

When Yeeshkul! ceased to operate back in February 2023, a bunch of Floydheads from there launched Raving & Drooling. Some clever souls managed to preserve all the threads from Yeeshkul! and they are readable in an archive there. They don't run a tracker - all new torrents are trackerless and connect through DHT. It does mean the torrents are no longer private but that's a minor issue IMHO. If no-one steps forward to replace Xavier and handle the IT, this could well be the way forward.

I was around for Yeeshkul! closing down and moving over to Raving and Drooling. Nobody could save the site itself, and just moved the archive over to R&D and started from scratch. However, some of those torrents DO cross over to here.

If there's a way to move forward without having to start a site from scratch, while copying and pasting the archive, and just shutting down the tracker and converting all the torrent attachments (which, I checked, was tens of thousands!) into trackerless, then let's do that.

[Lobito]

I think everybody knows about G101 :)

no they dont.

[Lobito]

It's up, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. But the activity there is close to non-existent, purely because that was a reserve site "just in case".


being close to "non existent" is hardly up and running, in my book at least.
by up and running i meant having at least 1 upload.

[Lobito]

This site is a torrent tracker requiring login/password. There's also a forum I've mentioned on the previous page, also requiring login/password - where it is possible to run private torrents and to post links. There is a "blogspot" model - a site having a "c-box" (or a "shout box"), where uploaders have to use login/password, but their links (posted in the "box") are open for everybody. Lastly, the kind of a specialized forum where links are in the open like Guitars101. (In any case, as long as certain popular upload sites are used, it's even possible to upload to them without logging to the said upoad sites.) So there are at least four different models for a new site.

everybody knows this. whats the point?

[zaval80]

being close to "non existent" is hardly up and running, in my book at least.
by up and running i meant having at least 1 upload.

I found some perfectly working links there, did not count, but 1 upload is in place.

[zaval80]

everybody knows this. whats the point?

The point is, there are sites, there are running sites, so in the case TTD ceases to exist, there still are ways to upload and download music. You said yourself that not everybody knows about G101.

[lgerard]

How bad is the hard drive? I have some experience in data recovery

It is beyond saving. I tried to use an alternate power source but the files are all corrupted. I gave it to a friend who is an old school IT guy and he couldn't do anything with it either. It is my fault for constantly putting off transferring them to a newer drive. Stupid poetic justice that it would be the ones that can't be replaced

Thanks for asking though:wave:

[Lobito]

The point is, there are sites, there are running sites, so in the case TTD ceases to exist, there still are ways to upload and download music. You said yourself that not everybody knows about G101.


yes those types of running sites with and without passwords etc, have been running for some time you can access now.
i asked 4 people this morning and none had heard of guitars101.

[Thunderwing]

I think everybody knows about G101 :)
I certainly don't, care to elaborate ??

Anyone knows a place where I can upload my Pinkpop torrents ??

[zaval80]

I certainly don't, care to elaborate ??

Anyone knows a place where I can upload my Pinkpop torrents ??

Guitars101.com/forums/

[tkc43]

thank you

[thesabman]

Very sad to see the demise of this fine website. Big thanks to those who managed to fan the embers of STG into something that lasted for 20 years, that is quite an achievement, and one I am very thankful for.
You have certainly earned the right to spend your time listening to and enjoying music without concerning yourselves with the never ending details of its distribution.

On an equally sad note I just discovered that a hard drive issue wiped out all my beloved Neko Case recordings that I downloaded from here. I will never be able to get them back as they seem to have been consigned to dead torrent land. Oy. it's always something.....

That's why I burn all my music to CD's. I've heard so many people comment over the years that they lost all their music to hard drive crashes. Put your music to CD's, then you won't have that problem.

[PanTau]

That's why I burn all my music to CD's. I've heard so many people comment over the years that they lost all their music to hard drive crashes. Put your music to CD's, then you won't have that problem.

Theoretically that would be possible, then I would have to burn 50,000 CDs + X, but I would reach my limits when storing these CDs, my room here in the nursing home is only about 4 by 4 meters and is already so overcrowded that the nurses complain that they can hardly look after me properly ... :hmm:

PanTau

[AlexPhoenix]

That's why I burn all my music to CD's. I've heard so many people comment over the years that they lost all their music to hard drive crashes. Put your music to CD's, then you won't have that problem.

CD's often deteriorate over time and become unplayable. I use hard drives but keep a backup clone of each drive in case one fails. Plus there is always cloud storage!

[WilliamFruntz]

If it's important irreplaceable documents, I have one master drive and two back up drives. I haven't done it in a while, but I used to also burn blu-rays as another layer of back up and keep them all in a fire proof safe.

[thesabman]

CD's often deteriorate over time and become unplayable. I use hard drives but keep a backup clone of each drive in case one fails. Plus there is always cloud storage!

I've heard about CD's deteriorating over the years but I'm happy to say that I've never had one go bad on me. And I've had them since 1987. Only time one went bad was when I dropped one getting out of my car & it hit the asphalt driveway & got scratched. I still have hundreds of cassette tapes that still play. I guess it all boils down to how you store your music, whether it be be vinyl, tapes or CD's.

[dandrew]

Plus there is always cloud storage!

Bingo.

[78jazz]

I guess it all boils down to how you store your music, whether it be be vinyl, tapes or CD's.

I do a decent job of storage and I have never had a CD die on me.

At this point, I would use hard drives only as backups to discs.

[Lobito]

there are also many secret groups where people post. mostly based on cronyism but what isnt? no password required that i know of.

[Robert Schmidt]

It was a pleasure to be a part of this community.
Thanks for all the work, the fun, the sweat and the love you brouhgt in all those years.

Kind regads
Robert

[evman87]

Thanks for the many years and great bootlegs good luck with whatever is next for you

[albert322]

CD's often deteriorate over time and become unplayable. I use hard drives but keep a backup clone of each drive in case one fails. Plus there is always cloud storage!

I have had very few CDs fail on me over a period of 20 years. they hold up really well. I must have had 10,000 CDs and maybe 20 went bad.

[albert322]

That's why I burn all my music to CD's. I've heard so many people comment over the years that they lost all their music to hard drive crashes. Put your music to CD's, then you won't have that problem.

what a mistake. invest your money on a backup hard drive. I have my entire music collection on drives at this point and each drive has a backup.

[albert322]

thanks for everything Traders Den! Its been an amazing ride and my live music collection is beyond massive thanks to this special place. sad to see it go. best of luck to everyone!

[thesabman]

what a mistake. invest your money on a backup hard drive. I have my entire music collection on drives at this point and each drive has a backup.

Not a mistake. I like listening to my CD's in my car, or playing on my portable on my deck. With the portable Cd player I can take my music anywhere. CD blanks aren't that expensive & have held up very well for me. Of course you are entitled to your opinion as I myself am.

[srb151]

Still holding out hope that someone will take the reigns and keep this wheel rolling. In the event not, thank you to all who have contributed to this site over the last 2 decades. TTD will be missed.

[jeffmbike]

good bye and thanks

[holdingcell]

Thank you for your graciousnesd, and not being assholes like Dime. Music is for sharing. Thank you and God Bless!

[thornax]

Thanks for all you have done to maintain everything for as long as you have and a big thanks to all of you that have posted and shared your live shows with the rest of us, it is humbling and most appreciated. :clap:

[Lucifer burns]

Well how nice for all the "members" to post here on this thread, now that the site is closing.
BUT what i really like to know is why some of you who posted here NOW, could never bother to even ONCE post a thank you on any of the shows you downloaded ??

When the site comes back if it every does, i hope the uploaders are given away to BLOCK downloaders who never contribute ANYTHING.

[Morrissey]

A real bummer to know we only have two weeks left of this wonderful site. I've had 3 different accounts on here over time.

To keep this site running for 20 years is an incredible achievement which, would never have been possible without those who run and look after things as well as all those who have contributed over the years.

It takes a lot of hard work to keep a site like this rolling. And to think of all the changes that have occurred over the past two decades? People have passed way, some have gotten married (and divorced), watched their kids grow up, had many job and life changes along with witnessing many of our icons like Bowie, Prince and Co. make their way up to heaven.

I've had 13 house moves, been married and then divorced, travelled the world, had a few relationships, lost my mother and had a cancer cut out in the time this site has been going. So many life changes but this place has been one of the constant sources of joy and entertainment. I've loved seeing all the amazing shows uploaded and all the wonderful contributors along with all the members who have made this place what it is. A wonderful treasure.

Thank you to everyone who helped keep this site going. I've had some really tough times over the years but you guys have always been here to keep my spirits up when the chips have been down. I cannot thank you enough for the joy you have shared.

[dorrcoq]

Yu sure won't find that on fucking DIME!

[marinus]

I don't understand why so many people here seem to be frustrated about DIME...

Don't get me wrong, over time (I'm a member here for almost 19 years now) I've found great music here, and (virtually) met some great people; but the same applies to Dime.

Different trackers with different rules all right, but both have their place in the music-sharing community (as have others, I have an account on the Zomb, Lossless Legs, Electric Ladyland, Jane's to name a few).

And when you sign up/get an account on either, you have to follow their rules, that's what you sign up for after all...

I'm really going to miss this place if it should shut down, and thank all the people that have kept it going for all these years, but I don't see the point of talking other trackers down.

[kadinwinter]

OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO MISS THIS PLACE!!!

[rayeemarc]

Hello,
would you continue if receiving $$$ from members ?
Just ask to members to send a small contribution
You should be surprised

[dandrew]

As has been said before, while offers to send money are kind and appreciated, the more pressing issue is that we need a person or persons with technical know-how to take over the running of the site itself.

[WilliamFruntz]

I've had 3 different accounts on here over time.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExN3QwazFwbTd2a3FnNDI1b3I0Z3ZzdTN5YnRvNGtyeHBzd2oybmI0bSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YmQLj2KxaNz58g7Ofg/200.gif

[vibrioidxire]

I've been only to enjoy TTD for a few years since I'm only 21, but what an amazing few years! I'm hoping for the best for the place. It's such a great hub for discovering great artists and could be part of the next stepping stone for the next generation of artists...

[jpeace]

That's why I burn all my music to CD's. I've heard so many people comment over the years that they lost all their music to hard drive crashes. Put your music to CD's, then you won't have that problem.

Until 15 years from now when all your CDs have faded and they don't read anymore, or they play with tic tic tic going throughout

[thesabman]

I doubt it. I take good care & store all my audio & music. Still have 8-track tapes from the 70's that play. I have CD's from 1987 that STILL play, so your 15 years up theory does not hold water.

[bluorangefyre]

A real bummer to know we only have two weeks left of this wonderful site. I've had 3 different accounts on here over time.

I've had the same account since Day One, but in the aftermath of moving from Georgia to Pennsylvania, I had the username changed because of one of the reasons why I moved. But yeah, in twenty years, to sum up, I worked at a grocery store (which, coincidentally, is closing after standing up to a Death Star - sorry, Walmart Supercenter - for twenty years), left the Southeast for the Northeast, met someone, married her, had three kids, divorced, changed careers (from grocery to manufacturing to remote work to department store to auto parts store), and I'm engaged to someone I met along the way. I know, in in twenty years I've not posted as much as other places, but it was fun kinda lurking around.

It's kinda sad seeing everybody saying their goodbyes. I hope somebody or a couple of somebodies step up to continue it, but it's looking doubtful.

[GBPackers]

I doubt it. I take good care & store all my audio & music. Still have 8-track tapes from the 70's that play. I have CD's from 1987 that STILL play, so your 15 years up theory does not hold water.

I'm the same way. Have had few problems over the decades.

[AlexPhoenix]

Going back 20 years to when I archived all my FLAC & SHN file-sets on Taiyo Yuden discs, I have also never had a problem. BUT sadly some of the folks with whom I did snail trades (remember them?) were not so choosy about the disc media they used and some of them no longer play. It's important to store CD-Rs out of sunlight as that can speed up the deterioration, and manufactured silver CD's seem to last better than CD-Rs. YMMV.

[thesabman]

I agree it is the TYPE of blank CD you use that matters. I forgot to mention that. I used both Sony & Maxell blank CD-R's. But since those idiots at Sony decided to discontinue blank CD's for music I use exclusively only Maxell blanks. And have had no issues with them. I buy 50 pack spindles & have yet to get a bad one. I trust Maxell products because back in the old tape trading days I always used Maxell XL II's & they ALL STILL PLAY.

[Roy]

For those interested in using a file-sharing site to send & receive stuff, I am beginning to collect email addresses. Contact me if you want to be included. This is a tribute to TTD in the hopes that the activities here can continue, albeit in a different method.

You can email me at [email protected] if you want to be included.
("paean" meaning tribute)

https://ttd-friends.wetransfer.com/ (https://ttd-friends.wetransfer.com)

[Homebrew101]

Since starting to accumulate CDs in 1986, I have thousands that I never play anymore. I wish I hadn't wasted so much time and $ burning CD-Rs all these years.

I did use only TY and have not had any failed discs but I never play them anymore. I load files on USB sticks for all my devices/vehicles.

I am now in the long process of replacing replacing my discs with FLACs on HDDs. Just Sunday I took 3 boxes with hundreds of officially released CDs I replaced with FLACs to a party and gave them all to friends. My brother was very happy to pick up so much Zappa he didn't have. :lol:

[dorrcoq]

I had to downsize recently and didn't have space for all the commercial CD's and burned CDR's I had accumulated over the years. I kept a few that were special to me, and that I figured I would actually play again and then found a willing taker for the rest (thanks, Chris!).

Like you said...so much money spent on CDR's, jewel cases, ink and paper to print artwork, etc.. And then 99.9% of them never played. Oh, well...

[LEMIREW]

You should be proud of the great job everyone has done. Thank you for the tons of great shows, reh,ect.:)

[daspyknows]

Theoretically that would be possible, then I would have to burn 50,000 CDs + X, but I would reach my limits when storing these CDs, my room here in the nursing home is only about 4 by 4 meters and is already so overcrowded that the nurses complain that they can hardly look after me properly ... :hmm:

PanTau

Cloud storage.....

[dreamliner77]

I agree it is the TYPE of blank CD you use that matters. I forgot to mention that. I used both Sony & Maxell blank CD-R's. But since those idiots at Sony decided to discontinue blank CD's for music I use exclusively only Maxell blanks. And have had no issues with them. I buy 50 pack spindles & have yet to get a bad one. I trust Maxell products because back in the old tape trading days I always used Maxell XL II's & they ALL STILL PLAY.


It's not the brand name that matters but who actually produces the discs and/or the stampers for the discs. Maxell has sold discs from multiple manufacturers. Back in the day, Taiyo Yuden, Fuji, Verbatim Data Life were the best.

[dreamliner77]

Until 15 years from now when all your CDs have faded and they don't read anymore, or they play with tic tic tic going throughout

10 year rule. Don't expect ANY media to be reliable after 10 years. Anyone should be moving their backups to new media every decade, it doesn't matter if its the same media type or a different type. Also, the rule of three applies. If you don't have 3 copies, you don't have a backup. Local, backup and offsite.

[A-l-l-a-n-o-n]

it's maybe very interesting to read about your storage problems and how you fix them.
But that doesn't help us with the actual topic, which is: TTD will be closed and is there a way to prevent it?
Or is there progress in the case that someone has found who can help with programming to get TTD alife eventually?

[Orangeboy]

For more visibility:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3348727&postcount=13
Original:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3348151&postcount=1

[jpeace]

I'm the same way. Have had few problems over the decades.

The fact is it will happen, if not now, within the next 10 years. They are made with a dye that will eventually fade. Abot 40%of the Stephane masters I've worked on have disc rot issues. Nearly all the discs I burned in the 90s are shot now

[Hitman Horton]

I've been around a long time and I'd like to thank the people that have kept it up and running. I honestly won't miss it but that's just me.

[Foolighter]

Thanks for all the music!

[benjett7]

as different as I might be from time to time from the other people who hang out here I never found a place online where I fit in better either, so October 19th will be a somewhat sobering day -
words can't repay the labor of love you put into this Ms. U2Lynne, thank you so much!

and thanks to the guys w the freeforums TTD v.02, giving us a place to keep the spirit flowing

[daddyray]

I saw U posted a torrent there the other day...good to have a little activity over there.

[Daniel232]

First of all thank you all for running this wonderful site!
I just discovered it a while ago - did not know it existed.
So I was very happy at exploring this new wonderful site ... and now it's closing?

But I don't understand WHY TO CLOSE IT EXACTLY ON 19 October?

Just to have a record of a site that lasted EXACTLY 20 years?
So why do you need to close it now?

Since I understand correctly it is a software issue, not hardware issue.
This site can run even on 19 November 2024, and then the record will be that the site lasted for 20 years and one month. And in 19 October 2025 the record will be this site lasted for 21 years. So why to close it exactly on 20 years if you can still run for many more years or months?


So Please do NOT close the site!
It still runs! Why close it, if everybody likes this site so much?

Thanks

[AlexPhoenix]

First of all thank you all for running this wonderful site!
I just discovered it a while ago - did not know it existed.
So I was very happy at exploring this new wonderful site ... and now it's closing?

But I don't understand WHY TO CLOSE IT EXACTLY ON 19 October?

Just to have a record of a site that lasted EXACTLY 20 years?
So why do you need to close it now?

Since I understand correctly it is a software issue, not hardware issue.
This site can run even on 19 November 2024, and then the record will be that the site lasted for 20 years and one month. And in 19 October 2025 the record will be this site lasted for 21 years. So why to close it exactly on 20 years if you can still run for many more years or months?


So Please do NOT close the site!
It still runs! Why close it, if everybody likes this site so much?

Thanks

If you read all of this thread, plus the accompanying ones here: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24
you'll understand that the site is in trouble.

The software that it runs on is 20 years old and unstable, the current IT administrator, xavier242, has serious health issues and cannot continue in his role. TTD is seeking a replacement with the necessary skills plus a general admin to oversee the running of the site, also there is currently a $1000 approx deficit in funds for the running costs.

It was originally due to close on September 30th, but founder U2Lynne has graciously extended the deadline to October 19th as this will be 20 years since the launch of the site.

If a new IT admin and general admin capable of keeping the site running can be found before then, there is still a chance that the site can be saved.

[Take 1]

Losing a friend i never met, but was always there for me 24 hours a day with music!!
Have a great future and remember how many of us you kept happy!!

[Dan33185]

Well how nice for all the "members" to post here on this thread, now that the site is closing.
BUT what i really like to know is why some of you who posted here NOW, could never bother to even ONCE post a thank you on any of the shows you downloaded ??

When the site comes back if it every does, i hope the uploaders are given away to BLOCK downloaders who never contribute ANYTHING.

:lol4::lol4: Get a grip dude.

[Dtwmjb12]

Thanks for your work over the years

[CAF]

I just want to chime in and thank everyone who has helped me enjoy and expand my music collection for something like 18 years (I can't remember when I actually found this site, but it was around when I moved 20 years ago).

[pest666]

So the original post is from 2022... and its 2024.

Maybe no one reads the original post. Or maybe the answer is buried in the pages.

[Dan33185]

So the original post is from 2022... and its 2024.

Maybe no one reads the original post. Or maybe the answer is buried in the pages.

There is more info here

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202462

[zeppman]

Thanks to everyone involved in keeping this site going for the past 18 years. Sad to see you go and I will sure miss this site. Thanks again and good luck to you all

[tricko]

...sending you lots of love and wishes to get well from your illness...

[Crooked Beat]

Thank you for all the concerts I have been able to obtain. :)

[jhap1982]

Thanks for everything!

[joverton]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here for so long. You have been such a marvelous source for the soundtrack of my life. You have been the absolute BEST source for shows I cannot find elsewhere. Happy trails, you marvelous
moderators!!

[anarchist]

if people donated enough $, you could hire someone full time to take over the site.

[deadluvva]

I will miss this goldmine of great music and good chat. Sending much respect and thanks to anyone who made this site what it was.

[Mr. Clumpy]

I know we were supposed to pull down any shows that were older than 30 days. Given the site's sad possible future, is it okay to turn them back on again, or will that just wreak havoc?

[tezafaz1]

My thanks to you all. you are going to missed.

[v-chile]

Sad to hear! You made my music collection to what it is now! I got so many boots from my favourites now and i surely would not have without YOU. I can travel now through a universe of music and I love to do it day by day... I will sadly miss your site and your work,my friends! It breaks a bit of my heart... All the best to you! v-chile

[brentter]

Man I first got introduced to this site because a guy I'd been trading ween & dead shows with via snailmail/cd included a note about it and how it's got some serious gems available as long as I can get online, etc.. Thanks for all the great tunes guys.

Anyhow, once again, thanks for the vibes, I'll catch ya in the lot.

[archive50]

This is worse than 9/11.

What a dumbass statement.

[cicada]

I gotta tell you how much I appreciate the care I received when starting my exploration into live music torrents. There were several sites I found early on, but the folks here at TTD patiently answered my posts. The questions were likely asked and answered repeatedly prior to my posts. In spite of that, I got thoughtful responses every single time. Special thanks to the users, moderators and admin who took the time to walk me thru the minefield of digital sharing. You guys are the best! And, you will be missed.

Also, big thanks to all the tapers and the amazing shares over the years.

[defu2]

Love this place!!! 20 years of your life and mine. Will be missed!!!!

[PanTau]

Wow, just saw this:



And I can not tell you how much hope this gives to me!
Please let it get true, I love this platform, and I believe I can say we all love it! So let's pray that this is not a dream but a way into the future of "The Den"!

PanTau

Apparently I'm too stupid for this forum software, but interestingly it was shown to me in the previews and I believe also that it was initially shown in the post, maybe it was removed.
So, in case that there will be no picture again, then something with it may be wrong, or against a rule unknown to me? Are image tags, although working, disallowed? So, tags like [ img ] URL [ /img ] ??? ;-)

[AlexPhoenix]

Wow, just saw this:

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=294023&stc=1&d=1727620843

And I can not tell you how much hope this gives to me!
Please let it get true, I love this platform, and I believe I can say we all love it! So let's pray that this is not a dream but a way into the future of "The Den"!

PanTau

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[dupree1226]

Save TTD! How do we help? Is it monetarey?

[PanTau]

Save TTD! How do we help? Is it monetarey?

Not really, even if the "conversion" to a "new" Den will probably not be cheap. But as I understood it, so far the costs to run the Den are not the issue, it is "ancient" and unmanageable technic, and this needs to be rebuilt. And since @xavier242's health does not allow it anymore to do this job, we needed someone skilled doing it.
You can read that up in this thread, just skim back to the first posting from this year in this topic.

So, if I'm not mistaken there may be found a person, or the money to pay an engaged person with the technical knowledge, to converse the old technic into a new state that can be administrated without doing hackish things. But I'm only a user and have no insight in the internal things, let us wait for an official statement, what I wrote above is only wildest guessing!

PanTau

[glasnostrd19]

thanks to all who have kept this site going all this time, and helped keep my posts seeded as long as possible.
this site is a great resource for music that would otherwise probably not be heard by nearly as many people without it.
really hope it can keep going. :cool:
I do not have nearly the technical knowledge to run a site like this.
just hope it remains possible to have sites like this, one has to worry some, given the deteriorating world political dictatorship situation. :hmm:

[Orangeboy]

...You can read that up in this thread, just skim back to the first posting from this year in this topic...

Found here: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3343301#post3343301

[FLRebel]

All I can say is noooooooooooooo, please don't let this great website DIE. Don't let it go dark. This is my favorite torrent site, the one with the best old music -- which is all I care about. Anyway, I hope the site doesn't close but I understand people with skills are needed, people with lots of free time, dedicated people, dedication very few people have. Anyway, Go, Go, Go Tapetrader.com !!!!!

[bluorangefyre]

:going:

Oh I can only hope it continues on!

[chuff]

A huge thank you for all that you've done.