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Old 2012-07-17, 02:50 PM
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Question Cassette copied from master ...

Hi,

i'm new to this cassette-transferring business. usually i just get stuff in trades that is digital...so please forgive my ignorance.. but

I've acquires some tapes that were copied directly from the master cassettes... is this a second generation ? or first ? is it lossy?

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Old 2012-07-17, 04:00 PM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

2nd gen cassette

and although there's some loss of quality when copying analogue-to-analogue, its not "lossy" in the sense the term is used in trading circles

as most are goin strictly digi, yer goin back to tapes...i like it!!!
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Old 2012-07-17, 05:48 PM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

okay great thanks,

so while it does lose a tiny bit of quality in the copying process, it's not lossy as it is referred to in tarde circles.. does this mean it is acceptable here or only 1st gen stuff allowed?
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Old 2012-07-17, 08:54 PM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

Then what is 1st generation?
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Old 2012-07-17, 10:19 PM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

Forget generation. It's too ambiguous a term because it means different things in different trading circles.

In your case it would be ANA(M) > ANA(1)
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

most of the time i've seen the master as gen zero

Cassette Master (0) > Cassette (1)


first gen meaning one generation away from the master
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Old 2012-07-17, 10:59 PM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

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most of the time i've seen the master as gen zero

Cassette Master (0) > Cassette (1)


first gen meaning one generation away from the master
That's what I go by, as well. Masters are gen zero to me. A tape to tape copy is a 1st generation, a tape made from that tape is 2nd generation, etc. While certainly a tape to tape dub isn't as great as being able to digitize a master tape, it is not "lossy" - that's an expression that refers to digital compression like mp3's that kill your music to make small file sizes. Analog copying is lossless, although if those copies are done wrong, they won't sound great even though they're lossless per se...
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

Definitely agree - that's a 1st Gen
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

Master > 1st gen > 2nd gen > 3rd gen > etc etc
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Old 2012-07-18, 03:38 AM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

Lossy : after the analog media (reel-to-reel or cassette) has been transferred to a digital format (WAV or FLAC for example) some idiot may convert the FLAC files to the lossy format mp3 (mainly for HD space convenience : one song in mp3 is much "smaller" than the same one in native FLAC).

Problems might arise because it's possible to make FLAC files from mp3 material... only what's been lost in the FLAC-to-mp3 conversion will never be regained.

So once in a while we have torrents made from "lossy" FLAC files that FLAC files made from mp3. These "soiled" FLACs are usually found on the Net then shared here or on some other torrent sites by naive posters.

It's impossible to get lossy FLACs if you do the analog/digital transfer yourself...

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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

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2nd gen cassette
LOLZ that the technobabble mod doesn't even know how generation works


Master>1st Gen>2nd Gen>3rd Gen>etc...



Rule does not apply to Zep tapes since all are 2nd gen>DAT
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

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) some idiot may convert the FLAC files to the lossy format mp3 :

You mean some idiot who wants to listen to a recording on an ipod or some other mp3 only playing device?


Please think before making stupid opinionated comments!
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

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LOLZ that the technobabble mod doesn't even know how generation works


Master>1st Gen>2nd Gen>3rd Gen>etc...



Rule does not apply to Zep tapes since all are 2nd gen>DAT
no i've always argued that the above is an inaccurate way of listing it...but you are undoubtedly right monk, carry on
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Old 2012-07-18, 09:13 AM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

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LOLZ that the technobabble mod doesn't even know how generation works


Master>1st Gen>2nd Gen>3rd Gen>etc...



Rule does not apply to Zep tapes since all are 2nd gen>DAT
no i've always argued that the above is an inaccurate way of listing it...but you are undoubtedly right monk, carry on
The fact that everyone else who replied in this thread thinks that is a 1st gen shows that you have no clue and too stubborn or stupid to admit it? Must be a Southern thing?

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Old 2012-07-18, 09:31 AM
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Re: Cassette copied from master ...

yes, cuz being southern makes you stupid and stubborn ...guess what, a "matrix" isn't a SBD/AUD mix either, nor does tweaking some EQ make a remaster...but bygones

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