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Old 2005-06-30, 04:38 AM
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Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

I'm quite new here, and I was wondering if you guys could take a look at this.

Thanks!
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Old 2005-06-30, 08:30 AM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

Just a guess here. Please consider my lack of knowledge when reading this

I'm guessing (and it's ONLY a guess) it's MD, based on the FA - it still has a signal at the higher frequencies. I "thought" .mp3 had a definite cut-off at a certain frequency (not sure exactly where though).

Those little spikes in the SA - I'm guessing are due to noise on the tape.

Let's see when the real experts come around, what it really is
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Old 2005-06-30, 08:51 AM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

Thanks for your reply. I received this disc in a postal trade without any lineage. I looked it up at db.etree.org (http://db.etree.org/lookup_show.php?...ow_users=true), but that didn't really help. One person says it's from a DAT-source.
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Old 2005-06-30, 09:10 AM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

You're welcome, but like I said - it's only a guess. Please wait for someone knowledgable to give you a definitive answer.

I'm as just eager as you are, to see what it is. I'm trying to learn more about SA and FA analysis.

I would think a DAT would incluce all frequencies, and not cut off, as shown in your samples. (another guess )
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Old 2005-06-30, 12:01 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

You may want to take another go at the Frequency shot , as it doesnt match the Spectral.
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Old 2005-06-30, 12:30 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

yeah, move the cursor around a little before taking a screencap of the FA, this is a small bug in CEP.

This is for sure not a DAT. It is lossy. A 32kHz DAT is similar, but without the blocks and the haircut would be less straight. Since its from 1993 I wonder if it is an MD. MDs were quite rare at that time. The FA looks somewhat like MD but it cuts off at 16kHz.

also look here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ead.php?t=8003

I'm curious what others have to say.
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Old 2005-06-30, 01:26 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

naaah, blatant (and known) mp3 source. and by that I mean "try decoding your mp3s of that to wav and compare, chances are that the spectrum will be identical". too many rubbish versions of this show out there, I know I've been out hunting for a clean one like forever.
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Old 2005-06-30, 01:36 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

for reference and great teasing, here's a spectrum of the same range on the "original" source (clean DAT SBD, which was difficult as fuck to track down, I might add)



uhuhu guess I need to hurry the fuck up and finally seed this..
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Old 2005-06-30, 04:52 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

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uhuhu guess I need to hurry the fuck up and finally seed this..
You're damn right you should seed this !

I know a lot of Live-material is MP3'd, it quite sucks in my opinion, cause they're such a great band.

Thanks for all the replies, I think we are sure that this one's MP3-sourced, comparing ssamadhi97 screenshot with mine.
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Old 2005-07-29, 07:06 PM
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Re: Live 1993-02-27 MP3 or MD?

I would love to see some +Live+ on here! They were my first real concert (ignoring that Michael Bolton one on the fourth of July with my parents when I was in 5th grade), and I have never been able to find any lossless stuff of theirs. I love these guys, and still listen to their studio CDs all the time.

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