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Old 2010-06-16, 10:23 PM
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Permitted?

Received a request to convert HD video from this torrent http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=80811 to audio. I did and am wondering if permitted to seed. Here's the details from the info file:

Zac Brown Band & Jimmy Buffett
CMT CROSSROADS
The Factory in Franklin, TN
December 9, 2009

Running time: 00:42:29

01. Intro
02. Toes
03. Interviews
04. Intro - Son of a Sailor
05. Interviews
06. Chicken Fried
07. Interviews
08. A Pirate Looks at Forty
09. Interviews
10. Free / Into the Mystic / Free
11. Interviews
12. Intro
13. Nobody From Nowhere
14. Interviews
15. "Elvis does Margaritaville"
16. Interviews
17. Margaritaville
18. Commercials


* Jimmy Buffett Band:
Jimmy Buffett - guitars, vocals
Michael Utley - keyboards
Mac McAnally - guitars, vocals
Will Kimbrough - guitars
Ralph MacDonald - percussion
Robert Greenidge - steel drums
Jim Mayer - bass
Roger Guth - drums
Tina Gullickson - vocals
Nadirah Shakoor - vocals

* Zac Brown Band:
Zac Brown - lead vocals, guitar
Coy Bowles - guitar, organ
Clay Cook - guitar, organ, mandolin, steel guitar, vocals
Jimmy DeMartini - fiddle, vocals
Chris Fryar - drums
John Hopkins - bass guitar, vocals

SOURCE:

Pro-Shot (HD 16:9) > HD Satellite Broadcast (1080i, Dolby 2.0) > Dish Network ViP-722k HD-DVR > Component Video Cables (YPbPr) & Optical Cable (s/pdif) > Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 > USB 2.0 Cable > PC > ArcSoft TotalMedia Extreme (.m2ts) > TS Packet Editor 0.301 > ArcSoft TotalMedia Studio > BDMV Folder (BD5 AVCHD)

AUDIO ATTRIBUTES:

Codec: Dolby AC-3
Number Of Channels: 2
Channel Positions: L & R
Sampling Rate: 48kHz
Bit Rate: 384 kb/s

DVD Recorded & Authored by: Nate dmb2much

Audio extracted using Aura Video to Audio Converter to WAV format at 48Khz, divided into tracks using Audacity, then exported to FLAC at 44.1Khz by: elinter

New lineage:

Pro-Shot (HD 16:9) > HD Satellite Broadcast (1080i, Dolby 2.0) > Dish Network ViP-722k HD-DVR > Component Video Cables (YPbPr) & Optical Cable (s/pdif) > Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 > USB 2.0 Cable > PC > ArcSoft TotalMedia Extreme (.m2ts) > TS Packet Editor 0.301 > ArcSoft TotalMedia Studio > BDMV Folder (BD5 AVCHD) > Aura Video to Audio Converter > WAV > Audacity > FLAC

Thanks!
elinter
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Old 2010-06-17, 09:14 AM
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Re: Permitted?

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Received a request to convert HD video from this torrent http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=80811 to audio. I did and am wondering if permitted to seed. Here's the details from the info file:

AUDIO ATTRIBUTES:

Codec: Dolby AC-3
Number Of Channels: 2
Channel Positions: L & R
Sampling Rate: 48kHz
Bit Rate: 384 kb/s

Audio extracted using Aura Video to Audio Converter to WAV format at 48Khz, divided into tracks using Audacity, then exported to FLAC at 44.1Khz by: elinter
Looks like a lossy conversion which is not permitted here:

7. Audio ripped from an MPEG video or DVD is not permitted.
All digital video codecs use lossy audio compression schemes, and therefore audio extracted from an MPEG video or DVD is not permitted for seeding here. The exception to this rule is that DVDs which have been authored with uncompressed LPCM audio are allowed to have the audio stream extracted, compressed to a lossless format, and seeded. This rule does not apply to audio taken from VHS sources, which is permitted with the caveat that no cleaner or higher fidelity version circulates. Audio from VCD and SVCD sources is explicitly prohibited as it uses MPEG layer 2 compression, a less complex form of the shunned mp3 codec. Note that ac3 Dolby Digital audio is also lossy in comparison to the original uncompressed version, and is likewise prohibited for audio-only seeding at The Traders Den.
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Old 2010-06-17, 10:25 AM
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Re: Permitted?

As showtaper stated, if the audio had been LPCM, then it would probably have been fine, however the audio is lossy, so it isn't allowed here, sorry.
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Old 2010-06-17, 09:29 PM
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Re: Permitted?

I'm confused. Here's the same show, recorded and seeded by the same person, but the audio attributes are different (LPCM): http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=80880

So, if I had used this source to create the torrent, it would be OK?

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Old 2010-06-18, 03:26 AM
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Re: Permitted?

I don't know of any satellite broadcasts that have PCM audio. That broadcast was probably converted from MP2 or AC3 into PCM.
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Old 2010-06-18, 03:37 AM
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Re: Permitted?

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I don't know of any satellite broadcasts that have PCM audio. That broadcast was probably converted from MP2 or AC3 into PCM.
This isn't the only one. I have seen more PCM's coming from satelitte or cable broadcasts.
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Old 2010-06-18, 09:21 AM
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Re: Permitted?

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So, if I had used this source to create the torrent, it would be OK?
no, it wouldn't

satellite and cable companies broadcast using some sorta "lossy" data compression on their streams...in regards to this particular torrent it looks like its 2-channel AC3

now just because someone captures the video and decides to author the audio stream as LPCM doesn't actually make it "lossless" [just a bloated file - it's like taking an mp3 and making it flac, yes its now flac but its still lossy]



we allow lossy compressions as part of a video [due to current broadcast standards, or lack thereof], but we do not allow lossy compressed audio in our audio forums...so neither audio would be allowed to be seeded, despite the fact that other torrent was authored using LPCM





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