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Old 2010-03-12, 06:56 PM
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Question No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

I want to split a file (into multiple tracks) that came without a cue sheet. I have single ape, flac and wav files I want to split. What do the pro's advise to use for the budding neophyte?


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Old 2010-03-12, 07:17 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

What OS do you use? Windows? If so, try cdwave
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Old 2010-03-12, 08:09 PM
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What OS do you use? ...
Windows 7, thnx.
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Old 2010-03-12, 08:24 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

another option is this:

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To track using Audacity:
1. Open your wave, Edit->Move Cursor...->Track Start and hit command-B.
2. Locate all your track splits and mark each one by hitting command-B.
3. Go to File->Export Multiple, select WAV as the export format, Split files based on:Labels, Name files:Numbering consecutively, hit Export.

You'll now have a nice set of consecutively numbered split tracks but they are not cut on sector boundaries. Fear not.

4. Open Trader's Little Helper and go to its fix SBE tab.
5. Add your freshly split WAV's, making extra sure that they appear in the correct order. Ignore the MD5 options, select your output format of choice and hit the Fix button.
6. Admire your handiwork.
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Old 2010-03-12, 08:50 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

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To track using Audacity:
1. Open your wave, ...
Thnx, sounds simple enough. However, I assume the file has to be 'wave' format? What about my ape, or flac, etc. type files? Does audacity handle these also?
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Old 2010-03-12, 08:53 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

no, you need to decode them to wav first [use Traders Little Helper]
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Old 2010-03-12, 09:14 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

thnx AAR.oner ( and lintoni )- I think I have enough info now to give it a shot. I'll report back my results. -
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Old 2010-03-12, 11:33 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

Update :
The Audacity session went great.

The TLH/fix SBE session did not. The function terminated after reporting the first file encountered thus :

"01. filename.wav : file is not CD-quality.
Failed to fix files due to errors, see above."


Oh well ...

Still, the core purpose of this topic is resolved and the files are split, properly labeled and play/sound just fine.

thnx!
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Old 2010-03-13, 04:22 AM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

Latest versions of Audacity will handle flac files, but not ape.
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Old 2010-03-13, 05:15 AM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

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Update :
The Audacity session went great.

The TLH/fix SBE session did not. The function terminated after reporting the first file encountered thus :

"01. filename.wav : file is not CD-quality.
Failed to fix files due to errors, see above."


Oh well ...

Still, the core purpose of this topic is resolved and the files are split, properly labeled and play/sound just fine.

thnx!
I think that you've produced a file that is too small for the shntool component of Trader's Little Helper to work with. When using Audacity, did you tick the box labelled Include Audio Before First Label?

I've done just the same, and produced a file that is only 44bytes in length. (See the attached shntool txt, under expanded size). Also in the shntool txt, you'll see that under cdr, that there is an 's' under cdr.
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cdr
Shows properties related to CD-quality files. A 'c' in the first slot indicates that the WAVE data is not [C]D-quality. A 'b' in the second slot indicates that the CD-quality WAVE data is not cut on a sector [b]oundary. An 's' in the third slot indicates that the CD-quality WAVE data is too [s]hort to be burned.
The above comes from here, which will give you any info that you should need about the shntool component of Trader's Little Helper. Don't worry that it is for linux, it still applies.

I think that Audacity always does this (producing a 44byte long track) when a label (track split) is put at the beginning of the track and 'Include Audio Before First Label' box is ticked.

So, either follow AAR.oner's instructions and do not tick the 'Include Audio Before First Label' box or put your first label at the end of where you want your first track to end, then continue as per instructions and then tick the 'Include Audio Before First Label' box.

A side point:

Given the above, following AAR.oner's method of putting a label at the beginning of the track (and not ticking the box) implies that you're always going to lose the first 44bytes of data. This may or may not be important to you...
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Old 2010-03-13, 05:59 AM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

To avoid SBE in audacity check the box "Snap To" and change "Selection start" menu to "CDDA frames" or "hh:mm:ss + CDDA frames". Also when you export your files be sure to have selected "WAV (Microsoft) signed 16bit PCM".
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Old 2010-03-13, 10:40 AM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

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...The TLH/fix SBE session did not. The function terminated after reporting the first file encountered thus :

"01. filename.wav : file is not CD-quality.
Failed to fix files due to errors, see above."


Oh well ...
The info file is not CD-quality stays for audio data is not 16 bit 44.1 kHz. 16 bit 44.1 kHz is the standard for audio CDs. So you have to downsample/upsample that audio data if you want to burn an audio CD. Note that sector boundary errors only make sense when it comes to audio CDs (that's why the fix failed).
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Old 2010-03-13, 05:04 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

^^^
alot to digest here ...

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So, either follow AAR.oner's instructions...
do not see this in the above intructions.

fwiw, the original flac (a 24-bit/48kHz file) conversion to wave via TLH gave no errors and was successful.

The TLH/sbe-fix process produced no files. It just terminated.

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To avoid SBE in audacity ...
I will give this a try - thnx.

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The info file is not CD-quality stays for audio data is not 16 bit 44.1 kHz. 16 bit 44.1 kHz is the standard ...
I'm aware of the 16/44 std. but unsure of your point in this scenario. perhaps the fact that the source file is 24/48?
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Old 2010-03-13, 05:21 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

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^^^
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I'm aware of the 16/44 std. but unsure of your point in this scenario. perhaps the fact that the source file is 24/48?
The point is sector boundary errors are only releveant to CD standard (16bit/44kHz) files, not any others, so you needn't worry about them for your 24-bit/48kHz file.
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Old 2010-03-13, 05:33 PM
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Re: No Cue File - Tool Recommendations

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..., so you needn't worry about them for your 24-bit/48kHz file.
oh good! ... unless I decide to burn a cd, right? (which I won't ,fwiw)

That TLH error message gave me cause to question file 'quality', where as in truth it is merely referring to cdr-burning 'compatibility', correct?
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