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Old 2007-11-23, 12:52 PM
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Understanding Cue Sheets

Ok, I read the Wikipedia article and some other tutorials. But they always describe a more simple layout than I see in real life. Here is one:
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FILE ALBUM.WAV WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 02:21:24
    INDEX 01 02:24:00
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 04:19:36
    INDEX 01 04:22:00
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 06:35:23
    INDEX 01 06:38:00
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 08:54:49
    INDEX 01 08:57:00
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 11:37:11
    INDEX 01 11:40:00
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 13:43:30
    INDEX 01 13:46:00
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 16:03:15
    INDEX 01 16:06:00
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 18:43:40
    INDEX 01 18:46:00
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 20:56:22
    INDEX 01 20:59:00
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 23:17:61
    INDEX 01 23:20:00
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 26:06:16
    INDEX 01 26:09:00
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 28:41:06
    INDEX 01 28:44:00
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 31:53:07
    INDEX 01 31:56:00
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 34:13:00
    INDEX 01 34:16:00
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 00 36:20:51
    INDEX 01 36:23:00
In the tutorials, each track only has an "INDEX 01". The Cue files I get always seem to have an "INDEX 00" as well. What is up with that extra entry. And does anyone have a link to a tutorial that completely describes Cue files? Could there be an "INDEX 02" on some cue file?

Thanks for any help on this.
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Old 2007-11-23, 02:26 PM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

could it be possible that the "additional index" describes the two/three second gaps between the songs only ? here's a cue for a gapless cd.


"X:\xx\amy winehouse hove festival 26 june 2007 fm\xxx.wav"
TRACK 01 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:27:17
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 01 03:39:45
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 01 07:09:51
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 01 10:40:28
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 01 13:37:33
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 01 16:28:58
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 01 21:02:61
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 01 25:31:63
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 01 28:23:35
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 01 32:20:29
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 01 36:00:29
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 01 39:17:21
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 01 43:52:64
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 01 47:47:30
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 01 50:43:74
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Old 2007-11-23, 04:08 PM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

Index 00 is what is shown as a negative countdown on most stand alone CD players and it's usually called the pre-gap. It is possible to have index 02, index 03 and so on but I haven't heard of CD-player (or software) that supports it.

Hydrogenaudio has more info
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Cue_sheet

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Old 2007-11-23, 05:10 PM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

somebody posted a ways back that there are at least three types of formatting styles for cue sheets. not certain if that's true, but it seems to jive with what's posted here.

when do you use cue sheets?
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Old 2007-11-23, 05:18 PM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

Thanks! That hydrogenaudio link is just what I was looking for.
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Old 2007-11-23, 05:39 PM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

I just saw your question, Five. I download albums from other sites. That Cue sheet I posted is for "A Collection of Beatles Oldies But Goldies". It was supplied in the torrent as "album.wav" and "album.cue". I use the Cue sheet to crack the album into separate tracks. Goldwave does this fine and there is no reason me to understand the cue file except curiosity. This happens a lot, except that most folks would at least compress the wave file into flac or something.
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Old 2007-11-24, 02:10 AM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

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somebody posted a ways back that there are at least three types of formatting styles for cue sheets. not certain if that's true, but it seems to jive with what's posted here.

when do you use cue sheets?
Cue sheets are used to recreate the CD layout when making a copy of a previously ripped CD. The main difference is that CD players will play the pregaps as a negative countdown and not as a piece of a regular track, and it will be closer to a 1:1 copy. Almost all cue sheets are written by EAC and you can write a few differrent kinds depending on how the pregaps are combined with the ripped files.
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Old 2007-11-24, 08:04 AM
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Re: Understanding Cue Sheets

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Could there be an "INDEX 02" on some cue file?
Yes. And INDEX 03, 04 etc.

These index-points refer to a point within each song, for example a new verse. Unfortunately it's more or less impossible to find players that support these today, then you won't notice any difference from a normal cd.

Here's an example of a player that do support indexes:


The first "1" in the display indicates the curent track and the second "1" the current index. As you see on the bottom right there are buttons for skipping track aswell as for skipping index.

Ps. I have one of those cd-players that are on the picture, a Sony CPD-991. There aren't alot of cd's the uses index now adays. Some live albums. The first pressing of Front 242's "Front by front" had tons of indexes that made it easy to remix the songs.

Ps2. As already mentioned there's an INDEX 00 too. That shows up as a negative time that counts to 0. If you switch to a new track the player (both the one on the picture and regular ones) always starts to play TRACK 01, not track 00. But if you play the whole album it will go from TRACK XX,INDEX XX to TRACK XX+1,THE FIRST INDEX, that will be INDEX 00 if it exists. Perfect for live albums!

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