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Old 2020-04-16, 03:59 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

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Another question:

Can I run an analysis on shn-files in TLH? I currently have a bootleg where the analysis and the check for SBEs are ok, but the md5s are returning an error.

Should I create a st5-file and delete the md5-file(s)?

/H
most likely the md5 was working with the pre-fix set and the fixer didn't bother to update it. take out the broken md5, it doesn't need a new one, generate st5 and put that in.
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Old 2020-04-16, 04:19 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

for recompressing FLAC use most recent binaries if using TLH you can go into program files/trader's little helper/CmdlineApps folder and overwrite flac.exe with x86 or x64 version of flac.exe downloadable here:
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/xiph/releases/flac/
flac-1.3.2-win.zip 2017-01-01 01:58 1.2M (windows x64 and x86 inside)

I know a lot of ppl are still running the old 2011 version of TLH so its a way to be at least a little more up to date. the newer binaries have better compression with no disadvantage, no effect to st5 and ffp altho you won't be able to hop directly on a torrent containing the older version of the show. md5s will no longer work, just take them out. the flac container is designed to be updated, regularly with 0% change to the wav file inside, verifiable using self-test or st5, ffp (which triggers self-test externally).

if you want to use cmd add -f switch. upgrade your binaries in path.
flac -V -8 -f
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Old 2020-04-17, 12:52 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

you can run shntool len on shn files via tlh or cmd eg
shntool len *.shn > len.txt

change to *.ape or *.flac *.wav for those. even *.mkw if you want

hope this helps
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Old 2020-04-18, 07:33 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

I've added a flow chart as an attachment.

Did I get it right?

/H
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Old 2020-04-18, 07:05 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

excellent!

I love the flow chart, where is my 1981 flow chart ruler?

I would add a wav editor check and glance at the contents of any show with SBEs but just a three-point check, listen to 5 seconds from here and there. sbe fixes should be notated to lineage as well, someday maybe we could automate this.

TLH was supervised by TTD when it first started.. there used to be a 'full test' button we are trying to get Robert to put that back. The flow chart is tremendously helpful, thanks very much.

I want to map the shortest path of keypresses in TLH to achieve the desired (and necessary) "full test" and we can submit that to Robert and see if we can wake him up.

I am developing a TLH alternative but it is slow going eta 2022 and will put everything in my prototype so we can test and test and test and test and test.
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Old 2020-04-19, 10:35 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

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I am developing a TLH alternative but it is slow going eta 2022 and will put everything in my prototype so we can test and test and test and test and test.
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I can beta test the damn thing!

I am not a software developer but I can try and make a script using it, if that’s possible.

I would love to be able to point to an entire root folder and have the program scan through all the files found in it, sub-folders and all.

/H
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Old 2020-04-20, 05:36 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

fantastic, I accept your offer

it is a script meant to inhabit other frontends. this way it eliminates the need to program a frontend, and the source code that matters always stays available, unlike TLH code which is locked inside.

It has only transcode, re-encode and verify functionality right now. I'm adding the fingerprints functionality but to get it to do that flowchart stuff is atm.

I'll tidy my code post everything here for you in a few days.
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Old 2020-04-21, 01:40 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

In what language are you writing this code? Vbscript? Perl?
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Old 2020-04-21, 02:15 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

I guess it's called 'unix-like environment'?

https://www.softpedia.com/get/Multim.../Frontah.shtml

https://web.archive.org/web/20071130...ati00/frontah/

this is the only one that lets me edit the menu the way I want, supports icons, runs multiline code straight out of the box. runs from any folder (best to stay out of Program Files). running very stable for a couple months here.

here is how to read/edit the default script
https://web.archive.org/web/20071130...ati00/frontah/

I will post 'frontah_script.ini' that I have been working soon.
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Old 2020-04-21, 02:38 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

something else very interesting is the official ttd software called 'audiophilia' that came before TLH
https://sourceforge.net/projects/audiophilia/

there is not much use in downloading because nothing at all works

the author disappeared and is now living like JD Salinger.

this pic shows everything, all other tabs are blank.
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Old 2020-04-22, 09:55 AM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

Hey, what's with the vxu.se-address? Did you study in Sweden?

/H
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Old 2020-04-22, 04:43 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

nono that's the original programmer of frontah. the built-in functionality and visual design comes from him He is called 'madah' on hydrogenaud.io there are several old threads there talking about frontah. it seems like the typical story of a talented young free software developer who had to get back to real life and became uncontactable very suddenly.

so everything in there you've seen so far is his genius nothing of mine.

I was reading a lot of rarewares.org and installing every lossless codec I could get to work into frontah for fun and programming experience, when I realized shntool modules and multiline commands are available here, and that's about where I'm at now.

I recorded multitrack indie stuff, worked 10yrs of dialog editing and know the ttd/etree preferred practices. Not a formal education, but I got a lot of ideas that can translate to 'live show trading' beyond simply cloning TLH.

I removed all lossy functions and routines that could be harmful to the sort of FLAC content that we use. this is a pure lossless multi-frontend, just like shntool is a pure lossless program and there is nothing (yet) that exists in this category. the lossless for lossless' sake category. lossy can be done elsewhere, maybe even another frontah version if you want. it is not hard to find an mp3 encoder, it is hard to find something without it.

my 'script' (custom ini file) is getting very tidy now, but I broke something along the way. no harm, I have a backup that's working and with a little testing I hope to post working ini file here tomorrow.

here is a module you can try for now that I put together. take the frontah_script.ini out of frontah.dat using 7-zip or similar and paste this code to the very end (or anywhere you want for that matter) using notepad/whatever. keep frontah_script.ini in the same folder with frontah.exe

binaries are called from the path or frontah folder.

the is my flac re-encode at level 8 module. I want it to detect whether an overwrite is beneficial or not, as it is it just stupidly overwrites every file need it or not. there are icons, they are not necessary and it is easy to make your own if you want.

Code:
[reflac]
IconLarge      = reflac32.bmp
IconSmall      = reflac16.bmp
ModifiesInput  = 1
DisableConvert = 1
LongDesc       = Re-encode to FLAC
Menu           = -Advanced\Recompress\Re-encode FLAC files
N0Cmd0          = FLAC.exe -V -8 -f -o '%o' -- '%i'
N0InExt         = .flac
N0OutExt        = .flac
ShortDesc       = FLAC
StatusText      = Re-encoding
TrackbarText    = level 8 verified
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Old 2020-04-22, 04:51 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

and here is the 'verify' module, which will support more in the future.

right now flac, ape, wavpack, optimfrog

and waveform archiver (x86 only, untested)

this one has to be pasted to the end or at least not right at the beginning for icons to work. I have no idea why.

let me know if these are working for you, or just wait a little while longer for full script, about 50k

Code:
[verify]
IconLarge      = verify32.bmp
IconSmall      = verify16.bmp
ModifiesInput  = 0
DisableConvert = 1
DisableTagging = 1
LongDesc       = Verify
Menu           = -Verify
N0Cmd0         = FLAC.exe -t '%i'
N0InExt        = .flac
; N0ErrorCode    = flac
N1Cmd0         = MAC.exe '%i' -v
N1InExt        = .ape
; N1ErrorCode    = monkeysaudio
N2Cmd0         = OFR.exe --check --md5 '%i'
N2InExt        = .ofr
; N2ErrorCode    = frog
N3Cmd0         = WVUNPACK.exe -v '%i'
N3InExt        = .wv
; N3ErrorCode    = wvunpack
N4Cmd0         = WA.exe t arc '%i'
N4InExt        = .wa
; N4ErrorCode    = wavarc
ShortDesc      = Verify
StatusText     = Verifying
TrackbarText   = Test archive integrity
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Old 2020-04-22, 07:08 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

it is necessary to mention monkey's audio frontend since frontah is like an imitation version of that.

if you can be troubled, install v3.97f and look at what a nice frontend that is.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040615...dio.com/files/

there is something terribly wrong with current versions of Monkey's Audio Frontend, be very careful stay away as of this writing. I had to reboot my computer it was so screwed up and it didn't even install.
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Old 2020-04-23, 01:17 PM
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Re: Checksums Demystified (.st5, .ffp and .md5)

to witness the problem that ttd staff have with a lack of pure lossless software witness here:
https://wieslawsoltes.github.io/BatchEncoder/

I am sending a n00b to use an encoder to listen to lossless files on his itunes. It is full of aac, mp3 and because he's new he could easily choose those and never hear the lossless files. he'll say "there it is! mp3, that's what I need" and all tapers feel sad inside because we produce lossless files in hopes that it will be listened to as lossless.

If tapers wanted you to hear mp3 they would give mp3 simple as that. The fanatical ttd members cannot control what you do at home but they hope you enjoy the most high fidelity representation of a great night out.

I'll stop carrying on now... here is what I've got, I appreciate anybody who helps test it or just take a look, feature suggestions welcome.

remember eta 2022 .. and next version will at minimum hide the codec museum or best case scenario be something you can switch on and off.

I'll give icons for the main functions on the left, which I will attempt to keep as few buttons as possible. put the bmps and frontah_script.ini in the same folder with frontah.dat and frontah.exe

much later a full icon set will be given, it is not very important right now.
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