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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
How can I get my hands on these 3:
Ratt 1-12-89 Tokyo, Japan 1st Ratt 12-18-90 Tampa, FL 8mm master Ratt 7-11-99 Camden, NJ 1st No members have liked this post.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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Honestly, 8mm, VHS and Betamax are all about the same for quality. You need Super Beta, Betacam, S-VHS or Hi8 to jump up in quality. 8mm/Hi8 doesn't really "track" -- that's both a benefit and a problem. The benefit is when the tape plays perfectly because it was recorded in a perfect deck. However, as with all other analog video recorders, gravity shifts things over time. When 8mm/Hi8 is misaligned, all hell breaks loose -- the tapes become paperweights, unless you can pull out a scope and manually misalign another player to match the badly-made tapes (and good luck with that!) Here's a more technical explanation on 8mm tracking.
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Send me a PM and will discuss it. No members have liked this post.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
EPIC Thread...
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Now I dont know if its because the tapes he bought were bad or the camera was going out of alignment, but I was able to get the tapes to play and the audio was okay using the trv-740. Let me just say without showing proof, that there does indeed seem to be some quality differences between a vhs dub and an 8mm dub. Maybe its because you said it best that 8mm/hi8 tapes dont really need to be tracked. But I have seen both vhs and 8mm dubs from the same masters and the 8mm dubs appear to contain more detail than the vhs dubs, in other words they looked closer to what the master would look like but not exactly what the master would look like. I can only suggest that maybe 8mm is a better and more reliable format than vhs for dubbing purposes. No members have liked this post.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
rest assured sabkiss/deuce this is nothing personal and i'm in no way interested in maligning anyone...i've continually tried to bring this back to the technical, and you continually avoid that and take it to the personal
you said you did post work on yer transfers [color correction, picture/audio restoration, etc], i asked what since yer lineages didn't seem to reflect that, and then you say i'm attacking you?! its all right here in this thread for fuck's sake!!! i will ask again, because i'm staff here and have every right to ask -- Do you or do you not do any picture/audio restoration, color correction/RGB balance, brightness/contrast, etc? a simple yes or no will do...not a big deal if you don't, you've simply alluded to it before and it seemed to not match the lineage you posted...i'll leave it to the other mods who were interested to ask any other questions they might have as well, maybe you can answer them with a little more maturity and honesty than you have with me for anyone reading this thread -- we take quality a little more seriously here at TTD than some of the other trading sites, if you post a lossy show or don't have accurate/sufficient lineage, it'll get pulled...if you post official releases, it'll get pulled...if you come to our vine or snail mail forum and steal from other traders, yer gonna get banned and yer name posted everywhere...and yes, if you continually lie or bend truths and then backpedal, someones probly gonna call ya out on it thats not being attacked, thats gettin called out on yer bs No members have liked this post.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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...and other than "your response is absurd", you never addressed why you do the exact opposite of what your link says: Quote:
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
I would also like to see the lineage on the VH Largo show clarified as well. I was the one who brought it up and I find it slighty amusing that when I brought up the 8mm part of the lineage I was told:
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And here we are now. Because of the questionable lineage on the VH Largo show and the use of terms such as "master" and "1st Gen" I am now questioning the lineage of all that duece8pro/sabkisscrue has done. Look over their "resume" posted in this thread - how many say "1st"? Based on this discussion and the one on the VH Largo thread, if you believe the lineage than a dub was made onto VHS from the venue masters (A 1st Gen) and than dubbed onto 8mm (A 2nd gen) and than dubbed onto a stand alone DVD recorded (A 3rd Gen if you want to be accurate). The burned DVD was sent to someone else to author and output with "no re-encoding", and it was presented here. However it is important to note that duece8pro/sabkisscrue uses the terms "Master VHS" and "1st Gen 8mm" to describe these, assumedly, 1st and 2nd gen sources. To me that is not an accurate lineage. If you add onto all of this the various conversations going on there are far more questions that answers now. I read the same thing AAR.oner, and others, have read. Just an overview of this thread so far as it relates to the post-production question: The VH show: Lineage according to sabkisscrue: Quote:
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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In general, amateur devices make poor choices or are very limited, therefore you should avoid MPEG-2. However there are many high-end devices that allow for excellent MPEG capturing/recording.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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So if you think you are making retired look stupid you are mistaken. Again, in your own words, as it relates to this discussion - You want to minimize quality losses at each stage, so avoid capturing with MPEG2. No members have liked this post.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
I realized that a few minutes later, and it's why the post was edited.
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
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why are you so interested and what are you trying to achieve by questioning me and telling me what I do is wrong when the results speak for themselves (and there is a great deal of them), some of the results which can be found at this very site. So how dare you suggest what ive done is wrong or not the right way. You are absolutely wrong about that. Quote:
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You can think im a liar, all you want. The proof is in the blood pudding, isnt that what they have in your jolly ol england? Quote:
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Lordsmurf is the biggest advocate of the JVC DRM-100 dvd recorder as well as the JVC 9000 model SVHS decks with TBC/DNR bult in. Quote:
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Re: VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]
I think AAR.oner is genuinely interested in the tech, even if he does seem a bit down on you. I can understand his questions, because it can be hard to see improvements in videos, when you've never seen the far-worse source that it came from. I have to constantly remind people that restoring video/audio has a goal of "making it better" and not "making it perfect". This isn't CSI, where magic filters exist. Some people just don't understand until they get a lot more information, with plenty of examples.
His attacks are frustrations with understanding, as far as I can tell. Fairly innocuous.
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I dont know why he needs to understand anything I do, as he hasnt seen anything ive done and I doubt he plans on it. This went from a respectful PM discussion just like you said frustrations with understanding to a nearly 10 page thread about bullshit, to be honest. I cant win no matter what I say, if I defend myself im accused of being arrogant or narcisstic or making grandiose claims, if I produce a list of what ive done, im accused of being a liar. They wanna humilate me. That is their goal. No members have liked this post.
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