VHS Transfers & Quality [moved from the Van Halen Largo thread]

[boxedart]

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Yes, but it has to start somewhere. Somebody -- one person -- takes initiative to make and share the videos with fellow fans. Some things are extremely rare, and the odds of multiple people taking that initiative is also (sadly) quite rare.

I would also dispute the "all the time" part -- I wish it did happen that way!

And I also think "just a hobby" is often used as a cop-out, an excuse for bad work. If this is a hobby, spend a few bucks on it. A couple hundred bucks on a hobby is very typical. If you're too cheap or too lazy, then you get the flack you deserve. It's really that easy.

I have heard you are in the industry - if so than you should be well aware of the amount of "unreleased" or "unseen" material out there. And there are many people whos sole job it is to seek out that material for projects. Now if you are soley speaking about "fan" videos than that number, in 2010, is massive. If you are in the industry you know that the internet has all but destroyed the indy film markets and it has put a dent into the larger studio markets as well. This is not because one person is doing it, there are people doing it worldwide - it is not at all "quite rare" in this day and age. Look at the reunion tour of Van Halen - that was pretty well documented on both video and audio by many more fans than just one.

"just a hobby" is not at all a cop out. Some people spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on their hobbies, some spend very little money but a lot of time. If want the "best" than be prepared to spend lots of money - but for most people they do not need the "best" for their hobby. Spending a few hundred bucks these days is not unusual but the quality of what you can get for a few hundred bucks is a massive change from what you could get for a few hundred bucks 20 - 30 years ago.

[M_M_H]

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[lordsmurf]

Originally Posted by boxedart

1. Master Reels
2. Dubed to VHS
3. Dubed to 8mm
4. Dubbed to DVD via a stand alone DVD burner

This workflow is somewhat confusing. I can understand reels being converted to a broadcast master of some sort (D1, Betacam, S-VHS), or even a "sneaked out master" onto VHS by a fan that works there. That makes sense.

But the 8mm step?

That specific standalone DVD recorder is well known for its ability to clean up grain and chroma noise (fix "color noise"), so that's a good choice for both home/hobby and small business use.

Originally Posted by boxedart

So if Lordsmurf said to you that post production takes a lot more work than what you are doing you would tell them the same thing?

It ranges from hours to days to weeks to months to years -- it really depends on the goals of the project and the source available.

Originally Posted by boxedart

And there are many people whos sole job it is to seek out that material for projects.

It's gotten sloppy and half-assed in the past decade. With the recession, it's gotten even worse.

Originally Posted by boxedart

the internet has all but destroyed the indy film markets and it has put a dent into the larger studio markets as well

While true, I don't think this really relates to the ongoing conversation. That's another topic entirely.

there are people doing it worldwide - it is not at all "quite rare" in this day and age.

For something done in the past 5-10 years, sure, I'll agree footage is more easily available. But much of that is commercially released immediately afterward, too! And cheap cameras have caused a lot more amateur (and pro, too!) recordings in recent years.

But I don't care about recent years. I want the stuff I grew up with. Give me 80s and 90s. That older stuff is harder to get, and harder to work with.

"just a hobby" is not at all a cop out. --- If want the "best" than be prepared to spend lots of money - but for most people they do not need the "best" for their hobby

I would counter that "best" is another cop-out, a backup excuse for "just a hobby".

Making better-than-crap quality from average sources does not require "lots of money", it just takes some effort -- effort to learn what is good and what is not, and time to learn proper settings in the hardware/software (as opposed to "auto" or default settings).

Buying a VCR from Walmart/Best Buy (or using the POS you bought in 1995), and hooking it up directly into the cheapest DVD recorder available from Walmart/Best Buy is sloppy and makes crap. To top it off, you'll get people that make 6-hour mode dubs, complete with tracking errors and audio buzz/hiss, using cheap Memorex blanks. This is then re-encoded even sloppier, and then barfed online into a torrent or onto Youtube.

An hour of reading would have avoided that whole mess.

There should also be a degree of patience. Do one video, and then learn how to do better next time. Sadly, most people try to churn out everything rapid-fire (again, often for some kind of monetary gain or bragging rights), and their 100th video is just as awful as the 1st. That was unnecessary, too!

There needs to be middle ground between lazy crap, and that "best" pro work. And yes, that does require adopting some pro methods and equipment. Even something as simple as a $200-300 JVC/Panasonic VCR will cause massive quality increases. Still not pro, no -- but a heck of a lot better in the quality department.

[sabkisscrue]

Few more grandiose claims (and I havent even listed upgrades ive gotten on dvd):

AC/DC 7-12-91 New York City, NY 1st
AC/DC 8-20-00 Philly, PA master
AC/DC 5-9-01 Albany, NY 1st
Aerosmith 6-24-77 Houston, TX 2nd
Aerosmith 1-25-80 Largo, MD 2nd
Aerosmith 4-22-90 Miami, FL 1st
Aerosmith 4-25-90 Orlando, FL 1st
Aerosmith 7-27-90 Norfolk, VA 1st
Aerosmith 7-31-93 Costa Mesa, CA master
Aerosmith 8-1-93 San Diego, CA 1st
Aerosmith 8-4-93 Inglewood, CA master
Aerosmith 9-11-93 East Rutherford, NJ 1st
Aerosmith 9-17-93 Philly, PA master
Aerosmith 9-17-93 Philly, PA master 2
Aerosmith 9-22-93 Philly, PA master
Aerosmith 1-5-94 Binghampton, NY 1st
Aerosmith 12-6-94 Chicago, IL 1st
Aerosmith 12-18-94 Albany, NY 1st
Aerosmith 5-18-97 Nurburgring, Germany master
Aerosmith 10-20-97 Concord, CA 1st
Aerosmith 1-15-98 Philly, PA master
Aerosmith 12-17-98 Philly, PA master
Aerosmith 1-4-99 Pittsburgh, PA 1st
Aerosmith 12-31-99 Osaka, Japan master best version
Aerosmith 6-6/6-17-01 Hartford, CT/LA, CA 1st
Aerosmith 7-2-01 Toronto, Canada 1st
Aerosmith San Diego and & Inglewood 02 both master
Aerosmith 8-17-02 Hershey, PA master
Aerosmith 9-7-02 Camden, NJ 1st
Aerosmith 12-21-02 Washington D.C. dv clones
Aerosmith 11-11-06 San Bernadino, CA dv clones
Alice Cooper 9-25-99 Hamilton, CAN 1st
Alice Cooper 9-1-00 Elmira, NY 1st
Black Sabbath/Dio 10-14-92 NY 1st
Black Sabbath 1-12-99 Seattle, WA 1st
Black Sabbath 2-5-99 Meadowlands, NJ 1st
Bon Jovi 12-1-95 Johannesburg, South 2nd
Bon Jovi 6-29-00 Asbury Park, NJ 1st
Bon Jovi 11-10-00 Philly, PA master
Bon Jovi 4-20-01 Anaheim, CA master
Bon Jovi 5-13-01 Washington DC clones
Bon Jovi 3-3-03 Albany, NY 1st
Def Leppard 8-17-99 Springfield, IL 1st
Def Leppard 1-10-00 Kelowna,B.C., Canada 1st
Fleetwood Mac 11-26-97 Albany, NY 1st
Fleetwood Mac 5-21-03 Albany, NY 1st
Guns N' Roses 12-16-91 Philly, PA master
Guns N' Roses 12-17-91 Philly, PA master
Journey 7-31-81 Tokyo, Japan 1st or low
Judas Priest 4-12-91 Osaka, Japan
Kiss: all 1sts
1976 Rehearsals
St. Louis, MO (June 28th or June 29th of 1976, date unknown)
The Originals I 1974-1976 84mins
The Originals II 1976-1978 84mins
TV Compilation Dynasty/1979 87mins
TV Compilation Unmasked/1980 91mins
TV Compilation The Elder/81-82 63mins
TV Compilation Promo Tour/1982 87mins
TV Compilation Creatures/1983 100mins
TV Compilation Revenge/Alive III 1993 120mins
TV Compilation Kiss My Ass/Convention 1994-1995 160mins
TV Compilation Reunion Tour 1996 127mins
TV Compilation Psycho Circus 1998 87mins
TV Compilation Psycho Circus/Detroit Rock City 1999 100mins
Live Pieces: The Summit, Houston, TX 8-13-
KISS 12-16-85 New York, NY 1st/2nd
KISS 6-17-90 Middletown, NY 1st
KISS 2-6-97 Sydney, Austrailia low
KISS 11-12-98 Boston, MA 1st
Motley Crue 11-21-89 Kansas City, MO 2nd
Motley Crue 10-24-97 Philly, PA master
Motley Crue 10-25-97 Worcester, MA 1st
Motley Crue 12-2-97 San Fransico, CA 1st
Motley Crue 11-07-98 Philly, PA master
Motley Crue 2-15-99 Seattle, WA 1st
Motley Crue 6-29-99 Columbia, MD 1st
Motley Crue 7-7-99 Camden, NJ 1st
Ozzy Osbourne 2-5-92 Toledo, OH 1st
Ozzy Osbourne 9-15-96 Philly, PA master
Ozzy Osbourne 12-23-01 East Rutherford, NJ 1st
Page/Plant 11-19-98 Milano, Italy 1st
Queensryche 10-25-91 Auburn Hills low
Scorpions 7-27-01 Seoul, Korea 1st
Scorpions 6-23-02 Wantagh, NY 1st
Stevie Nicks 7-10-01 Chicago, IL 1st
Stevie Nicks 9-25-01 Naples, FL 1st

[sabkisscrue]

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

bootleggin official releases as well huh?

You mean rare out of print official japanese releases? Ive done those, yes.

[sabkisscrue]

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

But the 8mm step?

Instead of copying it to vhs, it was copied to 8mm which I think is better than dubbing to vhs.
Ive seen 8mm masters dubbed to vhs as well as 8mm and the 8mms had more detail to them. So it makes total sense to me it was dubbed to 8mm. Also 8mm/hi8 is way easier to track, you dont get all the issues you get with vhs.

[sabkisscrue]

Originally Posted by sabkisscrue

(and I havent even listed upgrades ive gotten on dvd)

Reading that back it sounded confusing. What I meant was upgrades ive gotten from other people.

[sabkisscrue]

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

you conveniently failed to answer the question about the post-production/restoration work you said yer doing to these transfers

Failed? Are you mad, Guvnah?
No, I never said I did any post-production work. You extracted whatever you wanted out of my response to a question where you asked about multiple things. What is clear to me is you have a vendetta against me. You are asking for answers to immaterial questions that you know the answer to already. Ask yourself, why does it matter to you? You havent seen anything ive done and I doubt you have any plans to watch anything ive done.
Your motive here is to mailgn me and therefore, I will no longer respond to any questions you have. If another Mod has a question, he can most certainly ask and I will respond but im not gonna deal with someone whos made it their obsession and job to malign me.

[oryo]

[oryo]

Originally Posted by M_M_H

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Sabkisscrue/Deuce8pro has been banned from vhtrading.com

[M_M_H]

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Making better-than-crap quality from average sources does not require "lots of money", it just takes some effort -- effort to learn what is good and what is not, and time to learn proper settings in the hardware/software (as opposed to "auto" or default settings).

Buying a VCR from Walmart/Best Buy (or using the POS you bought in 1995), and hooking it up directly into the cheapest DVD recorder available from Walmart/Best Buy is sloppy and makes crap. To top it off, you'll get people that make 6-hour mode dubs, complete with tracking errors and audio buzz/hiss, using cheap Memorex blanks. This is then re-encoded even sloppier, and then barfed online into a torrent or onto Youtube.

An hour of reading would have avoided that whole mess.

There should also be a degree of patience. Do one video, and then learn how to do better next time. Sadly, most people try to churn out everything rapid-fire (again, often for some kind of monetary gain or bragging rights), and their 100th video is just as awful as the 1st. That was unnecessary, too!

There needs to be middle ground between lazy crap, and that "best" pro work. And yes, that does require adopting some pro methods and equipment. Even something as simple as a $200-300 JVC/Panasonic VCR will cause massive quality increases. Still not pro, no -- but a heck of a lot better in the quality department.

[radikal]

Originally Posted by sabkisscrue

Failed? Are you mad, Guvnah?
No, I never said I did any post-production work. You extracted whatever you wanted out of my response to a question where you asked about multiple things. What is clear to me is you have a vendetta against me. You are asking for answers to immaterial questions that you know the answer to already. Ask yourself, why does it matter to you? You havent seen anything ive done and I doubt you have any plans to watch anything ive done.
Your motive here is to mailgn me and therefore, I will no longer respond to any questions you have. If another Mod has a question, he can most certainly ask and I will respond but im not gonna deal with someone whos made it their obsession and job to malign me.

Damn ..This thread is so awesome that it keeps going on all Forums.. It is so disturbing that everyone seems to always misinterpret what this Mongrel seems to be saying All I can recommend to SabDoesCrue is Dr.Phil

[bigwurock]

can you upload some kiss shows here??

can u upload some rare metallica shows here please?

[sabkisscrue]

Originally Posted by bestatworms2

can u upload some rare metallica shows here please?

http://metallifukinca.com