Is there an explicit ratio policy here? - Page 5

Festafarian · #**161** 2007-05-17, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FBM

I do know that i have a shit ratio, and im actually sorry for that.
I did not read the whole thread, perhaps this was mentioned before, but i think you should not ban people, as you said this is a trading site, just make them not download anything, so, when they fall under e.g 0.20 they can't download anything or so.

BTW im trying to put my ratio up to 1.0
Cheers

And that's the difference, you are trying, not bitching. You have only d/l about 5 dvds worth of stuff. It takes a while before you can get caught up.

I think that's the best reason to not have ratio enforcements. Gives the new folks a chance to get in on it.

#**162** 2007-05-17, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Festafarian

And that's the difference, you are trying, not bitching.

can you explain what bitching is and who and why are they bitching please?

U2Lynne · #**163** 2007-05-17, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trader Dave

can you explain what bitching is and who and why are they bitching please?

No.

#**164** 2007-05-17, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

No.

If she's talking about the guy everyone went after I don't get it. I thought he agreed with everyone that the ratio system was unfair to judge others with and had a lot of reasons for the way he felt. Then it all went over my head... i still can't figure what made everyone mad at him.

Was he bitching? (whatever that means) is that why? maybe someone could explain that to me?

U2Lynne · #**165** 2007-05-17, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trader Dave

If she's talking about the guy everyone went after I don't get it. I thought he agreed with everyone that the ratio system was unfair to judge others with and had a lot of reasons for the way he felt. Then it all went over my head... i still can't figure what made everyone mad at him.

Was he bitching? (whatever that means) is that why? maybe someone could explain that to me?

Research, Spe, research.

This thread was 'bumped' because of another thread.

#**166** 2007-05-17, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

Research, Spe, research.

This thread was 'bumped' because of another thread.

Oh okay. I really couldn't understand all the hatred.
Probably not worth my time to look for it then.

KoolKat · #**167** 2007-05-18, 03:44 AM

If you feel some sort of ratio enforcement should happen for the ubers ,do what i've started doing chaps........some probably noticed during the seeding of KKDvD050.

I wait till theres say 50-75 hooked on.Then i quickly run through the members leeching & check the ratios/info.
Anyone who was just a plain obvious uber got noted and with the right torrent client and a bit of savvy you can work out what ip tallys.

That goes onto a list.txt

When i'm done...that list goes into peerguardian2

They will end up with the file i know ,but at least the "propers" get it 1st and the ubers can't "brake" the seeding.

Fooking funny seeing them turn up to the thread ...you know they're trying to figure out something.
They do drop down the list.
You see all the non-firewalled and members who know the game rising and the file gets seeded quicker.

So.....
anyone wanting my files who has a ratio of .30 or less, is just a plain uber & has offered nowt to the community,i wouldn't bother getting on until it's seeded.

Let the big boys go 1st eh!!

K_K

beeerlover · #**168** 2007-05-18, 09:46 AM

hehehe, good one KK
I do the same thing, but I go about it comlpetely oposite of what you explained:

When seeding, I like to find 3 or 4 of those users who are uploading the fastest & add them to 'trusted IPs'

then set firewall to 'tight security' which blocks everyone who isn't trusted

end result is the same--those who share well get the goods first

Phishblowz · #**169** 2007-05-18, 01:56 PM

thanx for that KK...it's not even a matter of bashing the ratio whores, the real bother to me is those who take first and drop off w/o sharing, and also those who hop on late and beg for help when they've never helped anyone...I don't care if they get stuff, but I want the right folks to get priority, and the uberleechers can have what's left...like you said, let the big boys go first...not only, but just first (and foremost)

I've had issues where I've seeded for days to get folks completed and the first few over the hump drop off and continue to leave me holding the bag...you don't really "owe" me anything, but is it not common courtesy to help others enjoy what you just completed...don't you feel at least a little responsible for those who are stranded or struggling with pathetic speeds??? I've waited for days to get things crawling in at less than 5k...every k is important, especially when they are the only k's available for the torrent (i.e. new ones, first ones to complete, or dying torrents) so that argument is worthless to me...some guy w/15k stuck around forever to get me a dying torrent...his ratio wasn't so good, but the upload he spent was spent where it would be most valuable...so really I guess we should all just think more about the other guy, and less about ourselves...it has nothing to do with ability...it's not about ratios as much as about character...the kinds of folks who couldn't care less about the others in the community by hit and running all the time are problematic...it's true that many good folks have bad ratios, and it's also true that a strict ratio policy would allow some assholes who oughta go to be allowed to stay, while some folks who shouldn't get the boot may get booted, so it's a sticky wicket to be certain, but I would hope there is some kind of limit to U2Lynnes kindness to those who don't deserve it...hopefully she is willing to remove those who truly abuse the site...maybe not on a ratio policy or anything, but I expect she knows an uberdouche when she sees (hears/reads) one and hopefully she will prune those who don't belong here...it's all about courtesy and respect for others...ratios are but one aspect of a members character...but usually those who fall into the asshole category usually find themselves in the shitty ratio category too...coincidence

#**170** 2007-05-18, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolKat

If you feel some sort of ratio enforcement should happen for the ubers ,do what i've started doing chaps........some probably noticed during the seeding of KKDvD050.

I wait till theres say 50-75 hooked on.Then i quickly run through the members leeching & check the ratios/info.
Anyone who was just a plain obvious uber got noted and with the right torrent client and a bit of savvy you can work out what ip tallys.

That goes onto a list.txt

When i'm done...that list goes into peerguardian2

They will end up with the file i know ,but at least the "propers" get it 1st and the ubers can't "brake" the seeding.

Fooking funny seeing them turn up to the thread ...you know they're trying to figure out something.
They do drop down the list.
You see all the non-firewalled and members who know the game rising and the file gets seeded quicker.

So.....
anyone wanting my files who has a ratio of .30 or less, is just a plain uber & has offered nowt to the community,i wouldn't bother getting on until it's seeded.

Let the big boys go 1st eh!!

K_K

So let me see if I get it straight.. those who share .30 or more get it an hour before everyone else?

bot · #**171** 2007-05-18, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phishblowz

thanx for that KK...it's not even a matter of bashing the ratio whores, the real bother to me is those who take first and drop off w/o sharing, and also those who hop on late and beg for help when they've never helped anyone...I don't care if they get stuff, but I want the right folks to get priority, and the uberleechers can have what's left...like you said, let the big boys go first...not only, but just first (and foremost)

I've had issues where I've seeded for days to get folks completed and the first few over the hump drop off and continue to leave me holding the bag...you don't really "owe" me anything, but is it not common courtesy to help others enjoy what you just completed...don't you feel at least a little responsible for those who are stranded or struggling with pathetic speeds??? I've waited for days to get things crawling in at less than 5k...every k is important, especially when they are the only k's available for the torrent (i.e. new ones, first ones to complete, or dying torrents) so that argument is worthless to me...some guy w/15k stuck around forever to get me a dying torrent...his ratio wasn't so good, but the upload he spent was spent where it would be most valuable...so really I guess we should all just think more about the other guy, and less about ourselves...it has nothing to do with ability...it's not about ratios as much as about character...the kinds of folks who couldn't care less about the others in the community by hit and running all the time are problematic...it's true that many good folks have bad ratios, and it's also true that a strict ratio policy would allow some assholes who oughta go to be allowed to stay, while some folks who shouldn't get the boot may get booted, so it's a sticky wicket to be certain, but I would hope there is some kind of limit to U2Lynnes kindness to those who don't deserve it...hopefully she is willing to remove those who truly abuse the site...maybe not on a ratio policy or anything, but I expect she knows an uberdouche when she sees (hears/reads) one and hopefully she will prune those who don't belong here...it's all about courtesy and respect for others...ratios are but one aspect of a members character...but usually those who fall into the asshole category usually find themselves in the shitty ratio category too...coincidence

why are you equating a traders ratio to their character ? You make these heart on the sleeve statements as if Utopia was just around the corner.
Share what you have and get on with your life. Does it truly keep you up at night if some dude is 'stealing' a free show that you dont own in the first place.
Yes, when you seed some may not linger - big fucking deal.
As for that chap Kooky_Kat .. on the rare day that you seed something worth grabbing.. I wait, catch a ride once it is well seeded & split immediately. I do this just because I dont enjoy your arrogance, chap.

Get over yourselves. Ill take what I want when i want it. And Ill share back when I feel like it.

#**172** 2007-05-18, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phishblowz

but I expect she knows an uberdouche when she sees (hears/reads) one and hopefully she will prune those who don't belong here...it's all about courtesy and respect for others...ratios are but one aspect of a members character...but usually those who fall into the asshole category usually find themselves in the shitty ratio category too...coincidence

Is this what people call an "us against them mentality"?

direwolf-pgh · #**173** 2007-05-18, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trader Dave

So let me see if I get it straight.. those who share .30 or more get it an hour before everyone else?

exactly.. it makes no sense.. funny

U2Lynne · #**174** 2007-05-18, 02:30 PM

Actually, it does make sense at times. If you are seeding a show and the people who finish it first them immediately jump off, you are stuck still seeding that show. If you make sure the first people to finish it are 'sharers' and that they will continue to stick around, then you can jump off the show as the seeder a bit earlier. If you seed a lot of shows, then it makes sense to do this.

#**175** 2007-05-18, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

Actually, it does make sense at times. If you are seeding a show and the people who finish it first them immediately jump off, you are stuck still seeding that show. If you make sure the first people to finish it are 'sharers' and that they will continue to stick around, then you can jump off the show as the seeder a bit earlier. If you seed a lot of shows, then it makes sense to do this.

Can someone do a Scientific study of this and see how much time is actually saved?

It sounded to me like in his mind he was rewarding ppl for sharing and not concerned that much with saving his time.

direwolf-pgh · #**176** 2007-05-18, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

Actually, it does make sense at times. If you are seeding a show and the people who finish it first them immediately jump off, you are stuck still seeding that show. If you make sure the first people to finish it are 'sharers' and that they will continue to stick around, then you can jump off the show as the seeder a bit earlier. If you seed a lot of shows, then it makes sense to do this.

when you seed out a show it is 'nice' if the first few stick around.
but maybe they have to leave for work.. or maybe their kids need something.. or maybe the cops are at their door.
Ive seen a lot of people jump off - only to jump back on later.
Doesnt bother me in the least. I wanted to seed out - why should it bring me down.

Blocking a few leechers just because you deem them 'unworthy' is ridiculous.
Once seeded, it is out & up for grabs for any and all - no time for whiners & ratio vigilantes

#**177** 2007-05-18, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

when you seed out a show its 'nice' if the first few stick around.
but maybe they have to leave for work.. or maybe their kids need something.. or maybe the cops are at their door.
Ive seen a lot of people jump off - only to jump back on later.
Doesnt bother me in the least. I wanted to seed out - why should it bring me down.

Blocking a few leechers just because you deem them 'unworthy' is ridiculous.
Once seeded, it is out & up for grabs for any and all - no time for whiners & ratio vigilantes

Nope there is no way of knowing how many ppl turn there computer off at night to turn it back on in the morning to seed a show.

Most of what i read here IS faulty logic.

direwolf-pgh · #**178** 2007-05-18, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Trader Dave

Most of what i read here is faulty logic.

specifics please

bot · #**179** 2007-05-18, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

specifics please

certainly. Kooky_Kat sounds Kooky !

#**180** 2007-05-18, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

specifics please

Do i really have to go into that?

Just read the stuff i said.

KoolKat · #**181** 2007-05-18, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bot

certainly. Kooky_Kat sounds Kooky !

Its pricks like you who don't know the game.

Ever been on a torrent that is really slow?You are being braked for speed by an uber.You are connected to him,he is feeding you that 1/2k that he can spare because he's K flagged the seeders client and downloading for himself only oh..and you cant go no further until you share that piece he has given you,..when hes actually finished giving it to you.

As i said..i know they/you will get it ,but the point is that by blocking them from getting pieces directly from me during seeding means the people who deserve it 1st & get it 1st get it faster thus seeding it quicker...and crap like you can do what you want when you want.
4 birds killed with one stone

PS:

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when i seed something worth getting

good one

Looking forward to your....1st one ...to see your cut.FAQs show you how to make a torrent........chap

PPS: Isn't bot another name for ass?You know...for a baby?

K_K

KoolKat · #**182** 2007-05-18, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bot

As for that chap Kooky_Kat .. on the rare day that you seed something worth grabbing.. I wait, catch a ride once it is well seeded & split immediately. I do this just because I dont enjoy your arrogance, chap.

Actually ,thats quite a profound statement from someone who only joined this month has made 138 posts with 98% being in the troll area.

Penny has dropped.....you're a wind-up bot.

K_K

diggrd · #**183** 2007-05-18, 07:25 PM

I gotta say sounds more like work than a hobby doing all ths investigative work just to "teach" some children to share. Even at work where I expect to be dealing with adults I understand that folks are who they are and rules and threats are gonna do little to change things. I know I don't respond well to rules, my ratio will stay at 1 or below at any site that demands I maintain a ratio. I just like the music cause

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Originally Posted by FZ

Information is not Knowledge
Knowledge is not Wisdom
Wisdom is not Truth
Truth is not Beauty
Beauty is not Love
Love is not Music
Music is THE BEST
Wisdom is the domain of the Wiz, which is extinct.
Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament…currently in resurgence.

Phishblowz · #**184** 2007-05-18, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bot

As for that chap Kooky_Kat .. on the rare day that you seed something worth grabbing.. I wait, catch a ride once it is well seeded & split immediately. I do this just because I dont enjoy your arrogance, chap.

Get over yourselves. Ill take what I want when i want it. And Ill share back when I feel like it.

it's very nice of you to screw all the leechers because you think KK is a dick...that oughta really teach him a lesson

it's you're attitude that makes you suck...like I said, it's just common for assholes who don't give a damn about the community to have a poor ratio as well...but frankly I'd rather ban the assholes that are deliberate in their abuse, rather than actually enforcing a ratio...if everyone felt like you there would be nothing to share, and if there was something, there would be no one to share it...the fact that this is something that needs to be explained is pitiful...

continue to do as you please (as I'm sure you will) but know that people with your "fuck everyone but me" attitude are what makes online sharing less enjoyable for those who actually respect all the time and effort being put into the community, and one of these days when bit torrent is ruined (like the GD summer tour 95) know that people like you are the reason why...without a basic respect of your environment, you will destroy it...that's why the GD were banned from all the great venues, because the fans didn't respect the place, and they were asked not to come back...Alpine Valley received most of their income from the GD community when they came through town but still had to ask them not to return in light of the damage and debris left behind in 89...one of these days, as more and more members shit where they eat (so to speak) this place is bound to shut down...be it because of the headaches the members give admin, or because of a lack of uploaders to provide material to host...one way or another, it's bound to fail as your attitude begins to dominate the net...it's pretty sad really...I have made enough friends and built enough of a collection to be satisfied if the whole shithouse goes up in flames tomorrow...if I need or want anything, I can work it out in the mail thru my friends, so it's all the same to me...but in the last years I have been downloading, it's meant a lot to me, and I'm sure it will continue to do so for others if it doesn't fall apart...I just hope people would have a little more decency and consideration for the others that also want to download...someone was kind enough to share these things with you, is it too much to ask that you be kind and also share it with someone else

Festafarian · #**185** 2007-05-19, 08:54 AM

I love your GD analogy.

#**186** 2007-05-19, 08:55 AM

I don't think bot's comments are meant to be taken seriously....It may not be your type of humor (insult comics like Don Rickles) but what is even more hilarious is that you guys are getting all indignant about it.

he's downloaded 387 MB, so that is at most 1 audio torrent.

U2Lynne · #**187** 2007-05-19, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubular

I don't think bot's comments are meant to be taken seriously....

I think you are right, Tubular. I see most of bots posts over in The Lounge.

Phishblowz, luckily, I think most of the people you will run into here are pretty good sharers. I think the hit-and-run guys are not the norm around here - at least in my experience. Yeah, they are frustrating, but really, are they worth getting your knickers in a twist? Nope.

#**188** 2007-05-19, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubular

I don't think bot's comments are meant to be taken seriously....It may not be your type of humor (insult comics like Don Rickles) but what is even more hilarious is that you guys are getting all indignant about it.

he's downloaded 387 MB, so that is at most 1 audio torrent.

That only proves these guys take themselves way too serious.

Did you see the size of blowfish's post?

#**189** 2007-05-19, 12:07 PM

"Bittorrent Etiquette In Theory and Practice" just cracked Amazon's top ten. 500 pages, hardcover, $39.99

dementrium · #**190** 2007-05-19, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tubular

"Bittorrent Etiquette In Theory and Practice" just cracked Amazon's top ten. 500 pages, hardcover, $39.99

Please, seed it.

#**191** 2007-05-19, 06:01 PM

it will be scanned and seeded before midnight

look for it right next to the missing watergate tapes torrent (high resolution transfer)

U2Lynne · #**192** 2007-05-19, 06:07 PM

You know, I actually went and looked for it.....

#**193** 2007-05-19, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You know, I actually went and looked for it.....

bot · #**194** 2007-05-19, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Festafarian

I love your GD analogy.

no doubt. It made as much sense as the whole ratio enforcement idea.

I think we should ban users that flame other bands with their username.

Its rude, dont you think Phishblows

dcbullet · #**195** 2007-05-20, 02:57 AM

Except that phish does blow.

Phishblowz · #**196** 2007-05-20, 08:18 AM

dcbullet is right on the money, but really it's not my intention to flame Phish exactly, or to be rude about it...it's more of an upfront acknowledgement that I don't like Phish...I do lots of mail trading and such and I don't want people to waste time tryin to trade with me for Phish stuff, nor would I be interested in seeing the Phish portion of their trade list...I don't have any contempt for their fans (there's some really good people who dig them) or anything like that, it was really a formality...but to be honest, I've received lots of mail over the years about it...and those who laught their ass off beat out those who are offended by a solid 3 to 1

and I realize that bot isn't necessarily supposed to be taken seriously, but he has said some things that struck me as hateful...as did several around here, and I just find it discouraging...but to each their own, it's not my place to enforce decency...and as for U2Lynne, don't you worry about my knickers babe, I still put em on one leg at a time

as that guy in the Fantastic Four would say...FLAME ON!!!!!!

#**197** 2007-05-20, 08:34 AM

In other words, it went over your head.

Some people might find your username "hateful" and "discouraging"

If it was your place to enforce decency, would you ban ironic, sarcastic humor?

#**198** 2007-05-20, 08:51 AM

At first I thought your screenname was ironic (that you really dug them), but I see you are serious. How sad that you dedicated your identity (on a site that is all about sharing, no less) to disrespecting a band and its fans. I think I'm gonna change my screenname to "JimiHendrix_was_a_wanker"

#**199** 2007-05-20, 09:12 AM

If you don't want to trade for a band, here is a brilliant idea: don't include that band on your ISO list. Or a simple "I'm not interested in Phish" would have sufficed. Instead, and this is what I find to be absolutely HI-larious, you probably get a lot of PM's from people who think your name is ironic (that you really dig them) and they want to trade some Phish!!!!

direwolf-pgh · #**200** 2007-05-20, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phishblowz

dcbullet is right on the money, but really it's not my intention to flame Phish exactly, or to be rude about it...it's more of an upfront acknowledgement that I don't like Phish...I do lots of mail trading and such and I don't want people to waste time tryin to trade with me for Phish stuff, nor would I be interested in seeing the Phish portion of their trade list...I don't have any contempt for their fans (there's some really good people who dig them) or anything like that, it was really a formality...but to be honest, I've received lots of mail over the years about it...and those who laught their ass off beat out those who are offended by a solid 3 to 1

and I realize that bot isn't necessarily supposed to be taken seriously, but he has said some things that struck me as hateful...as did several around here, and I just find it discouraging...but to each their own, it's not my place to enforce decency...and as for U2Lynne, don't you worry about my knickers babe, I still put em on one leg at a time

as that guy in the Fantastic Four would say...FLAME ON!!!!!!

dont feed us bullshit & then expect us to respect your thoughts.

Bot made some valid points ..in its own Bot way -sorry the truth stings (and yes bot likes to gently tease).

Dont take people for idiots Phishblowz...it pisses them off... babe.