Is there an explicit ratio policy here?

[Phishblowz]

if I may add something relevant to the thread, we now have neat little links that announce our contributions on the right side of our header now...thanks for that...it's by no means a cure, but it's a step in the right direction...thanks for that...here's hoping for a little civility (I know it's a lot to ask, but this is getting a little excessive guys)

Originally Posted by Phishblowz

if I may add something relevant to the thread, we now have neat little links that announce our contributions on the right side of our header now...thanks for that...it's by no means a cure, but it's a step in the right direction...thanks for that...here's hoping for a little civility (I know it's a lot to ask, but this is getting a little excessive guys)

I'm glad i don't do any of those things because that thing looks ugly.

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by Trader Dave

I'm glad i don't do any of those things because that thing looks ugly.

You don't have to see it. Go to your User CP > Options tab and go to the bottom and turn it off.

I could be mean and instead of saying who *does* do uploads/vines/b&ps, I could state the opposite.

[Phishblowz]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You don't have to see it. Go to your User CP > Options tab and go to the bottom and turn it off.

I could be mean and instead of saying who *does* do uploads/vines/b&ps, I could state the opposite.

not a bad idea, but that's a fight waiting to happen

we probably shouldn't add any accelerant to the fire

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You don't have to see it. Go to your User CP > Options tab and go to the bottom and turn it off.

I could be mean and instead of saying who *does* do uploads/vines/b&ps, I could state the opposite.

Doesn't matter to me. can you put post whore contributor on mine? I want to be different.

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by Trader Dave

Doesn't matter to me. can you put post whore contributor on mine? I want to be different.

One time only change... it's there, but you change it and I won't do it again unless you ask.

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

One time only change... it's there, but you change it and I won't do it again unless you ask.

It's there?

[U2Lynne]

It isn't? somewhere....?

*groan*

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by jameskg

When he's down, he just makes shit up so he can post.

This is a true statement. Never before have I seen such a collection of lies, misrepresentations, and falsehoods as what has come from geezer's arthritic fingers.

He lied about selling his tape, he lied about what I have contributed, he's lied about what other's have said, pretty much he's a liar - pretty simple.

[Powderfinger]

Does Jelly-KY call up DPull-it everytime he posts and ask for back up, or do you guys send each other PMs that say...

"Haha...look what I told Freezer!! Now you say this....."

Somebody needs to throw water on you two, cause obviously you guys are locked up and stuck....

[jcrab66]

[Festafarian]

Originally Posted by heymnaooh1

They already get credit by being seen as good, reliable traders/viners/bnpers by others i.e. they get referrals by word of mouth. Unreliable, bad traders/viners/bnpers get outed privately and/or publicly, losing credibility not only on TTD but other live music trading communities as well.

Well said.

[AAR.oner]

Originally Posted by Trader Dave

Let me get this straight. you wish Dudogger could say his opinion to you in a bar face to face so you can break a bottle over his head for having a different opinion than yours and other ppl here want to drink beer with you after you said that?

I understand where Dudogger is coming from. Some of you guys sound like you are defending America from the Muslims.

america from the muslims? lost me on that one

but to answer yer question, sure...thats exactly it

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by Powderfinger

Does Jelly-KY call up DPull-it everytime he posts and ask for back up, or do you guys send each other PMs that say...

I call it a happy coincidence.

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

I call it a happy coincidence.

You're nothing but a troll....and that's no lie.





You're not even a very "unique" troll, because you've done nothing but poorly imitate what jameskg was doing at TTD long before you perfected your peculiar little trolling act.

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

america from the muslims? lost me on that one

I figured you could understand that analogy the best.
You know god and country, lynne and TTD?

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

america from the muslims? lost me on that one

but to answer yer question, sure...thats exactly it

If this isn't god and country with a bang i have no idea what is.

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

do you ever have those moments when you wish this online community could materialize into a real 3dimensional space, lets say the pub maybe...that way all the wankers with their assanine opinions. greedy justifications, and complete lack of respect for the community could be served a healthy dose of some SHUTTHEFUCKUP! pint glass to the head style

lets try changing some words for fun

Originally Posted by AAR.oner

do you ever have those moments when you wish the Muslims I see on the news talking trash could materialize into a real 3dimensional space, lets say the pub maybe...that way all the wankers with their assanine opinions. greedy justifications, and complete lack of respect for the community could be served a healthy dose of some SHUTTHEFUCKUP! pint glass to the head style

[dcbullet]

I'm feeling Deja Vu.

[Powderfinger]

It's a cult...

Look it up.

[bot]

i rarely download. most of the music here is crap. most of the recordings are crap.
I collect my music the old fashion way. I steal CD's when I'm at a party.

[Phishblowz]

Originally Posted by bot

i rarely download. most of the music here is crap. most of the recordings are crap.
I collect my music the old fashion way. I steal CD's when I'm at a party.

WOW you must be trying for member of the year with that attitude

keep that up and you'll fit right in

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions...4&union_id=181

Digdogger:

This is the fifth level boss and he is really easy. In its large form you can't hurt it, so you blow the whistle and it will turn into little eyeball things. Then you can easily kill them.

Remember The Legend of Zelda on the NES?

Seriously though, does everyone expect all the dsl users with 15 kb/s upload speeds to keep a 1.00 ratio if they don't vine/seed/trade? The people with mega upload speeds (100 kb/s and above) pick up the slack for them in my opinion. Leaving people stranded sucks though.

[paddington]

Originally Posted by bot

i rarely download. most of the music here is crap. most of the recordings are crap.

Originally Posted by bot

I collect my music the old fashion way. I steal CD's when I'm at a party.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Wait, does that make me a commie?

[markknopfler]

Originally Posted by Dudogger

Posted earlier today in response to yet another narrow-minded, ratio-fueled attack by someone whose sense of sharing and community has long-since escaped him. Hopefully, it will foster a little discussion regarding the rather distasteful class system that has resulted from the unnecessary use and public display of personal ratios by this site:

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I guess I've now read so many of the baseless, ratio-related, pseudo-flame jobs that it's time to relay on to anyone who reads this a few observations I've made and thoughts I’ve had, about TTD-style "sharing" - especially to those of you who appear to be quite mathematically and cognitively challenged, and to those who are doing their very best to contribute, and yet still have to wade regularly through this kind of self-righteous pablum, just to be able to enjoy the music.

1) The arbitrary 1.00 ratio guideline is just that - a ratio and a guideline, and quite arbitrary. Here, ratio means upload volume divided by download volume, without any regard to individual bandwidth, drive capacity, etc. It is only a target, not a requirement, and one that is not readily attainable to many users who, nonetheless, still contribute in a very positive way. Thus TTD's suggestion that those who can't achieve 1.00 should try to B&P, vine, and so on. I imagine that a large number of participants, like me, are doing just that, yet it doesn't serve to stifle these impotent flamers much, does it? One yahoo recently boasted to me that his ratio was better than mine back when he used a laptop with a 56K modem. To which I ask - So what is your point? I mean, really, at 56K it likely took him a month to download one show. Then with a (hypothetical) 3.75 u/l divided by a 4.20 d/l, I guess I'd have to agree that his 0.89 ratio was better than mine. What a profound revelation that guy had, eh? So, a high ratio is really fairly meaningless, unless it is supported by a healthy upload volume. Without any regard to download volume, your absolute uploads are the true measure of one's contribution to any trading community, and not some poorly conceived, often-abused, arbitrary ratio threshold.

2) Occasionally, one downloads a show that is not worth keeping, burning, or sharing (due to poor quality), and in the user's opinion, shouldn't further pollute the trading pool by way of continued uploading. If one were then to delete that show/torrent, one might only have obtained a show-specific .17 ratio, for example. This can't be recouped for that deleted show, and that .17 ratio becomes a detriment to the user's overall ratio (as tracked by TTD), when in fact, he/she is doing the community a small favor by not enabling the spread of a crappy show. Other times, after a torrent's seeds/leeches drop to 0, and remains there for a number of days, that torrent is likewise deleted, though its individual ratio may still be well less than 1.00, but it is still available to meet reseed and B&P requests. Unfortunately, the typical flamer would prefer to spin that as being the horrible leecher "taking as much as possible, while giving next to nothing", which to many of us is much like Dubya saying "we've got to attack them there so they won't attack us here". Sorry, but we just know better. And, once someone seeds or uploads a show, it's out there, and the seeder has gotten his/her jollies, quite justifiably, for having offered it up. Various people then tap into that torrent and share the obtained music in their preferred, individual ways - there are indeed many shades of gray in this world. So in this format, it's not about taking versus giving back (equally) so much as it is about using current technology to acquire audio and video from a wealth of different sources, then redistributing that music, in various different ways, to other people who maybe aren't so fortunate or capable. Expected giving is just not a very cool thing, no matter how you look at it. It's kind of like feeling obligated to tithe 10% of your meager income to the local church, merely because that's their expectation of you and everybody does it, rather than because it’s something you freely elect to do or even can physically manage to do.

3) Some folks have great upload/download bandwidth. Good for them. Some do not, so they acquire what they can, when they can. Some, like me, have a pretty good download speed, but a very restrictive upload cap (mine is limited to about 28K, less than 10% of my maximum download speed). So any time my BT client is running, I am uploading at my maximum capacity, regardless of the number of torrents I have uploading at any given time. If I were to stop all of my downloading in order to capitulate to one selfish moron’s attempted browbeating of me to raise my ratio by uploading only, then guess what? I’m still only uploading at 28K, so that my rate (speed) of contribution to other downloaders remains exactly the same. And, I've been running nearly 24/7 since January 07. (Sorry, flamers, I just can't afford T1 right now in order to keep you happy.) Stopping the downloading, therefore, serves no rational, contributory purpose at all – it just curtails the acquisition and redistribution of new music, but in no way speeds the overall upload process. "Looking back to help others" (with reseed requests), while sounding noble, also corrects nothing ratio-wise because the upload rate remains the same no matter what combination of torrents I might choose to upload to (today I have 11 active ones). Just to illustrate how arbitrary and abused the ratio issue is, and how truly dense and cyber-power-hungry some of these non-mod gooberbrains can be: One challenged user recently had the gall to dictate to me that I should stop downloading until my ratio rises to at least 50%. To which I must ask – Based on what published mandate? And – Who died and left you dog-catcher, eh? Or - Is this some new standard you’ve just now conceived of and applied all by your smug little self? Impressive. So glad to hear it. Thanks again for the suggestion. Not.

4) If one were to halt downloads in order to increase ratio, that would mean one has temporarily stopped accumulating new material. Torrents die, such that by doing so you’d also increase the chances of missing out on one or more good shows as a result, such that you’d perhaps occasionally request a reseed, such that some other mindless flamer might well then decide to again stretch his puny ego by snooping into your stats and harping on you and your ratio. What fun!! So, I say to anyone reading this: People upload because it’s their hobby and they enjoy it. Other people download because it’s their hobby and they enjoy it. Still other people B&P like crazy, or simply burn and give away discs to special, grateful people who love the music, but don’t have the time, interest, and/or capability to download and burn it themselves - because it’s their hobby and they enjoy it! TTD is but one small facet on the face of a much larger trading/giving community concept that kind of mirrors the old Rastafarian philosophy of “from those that have, to those that have not”. That is, you should endeavor to share what you take, where you can, when you can, and with whomever you can, without any regard to some other person’s rate of sharing or giving, or their misguided expectations of you. This is the true spirit of “sharing the music”, and TTD would be a much better, kinder place without the few demented flamers who seem to believe otherwise, and routinely spoil it for everyone else, just for their squeaky little voices to be heard. I think that tossing out the ratio concept altogether would be highly constructive in removing an unfortunate opportunity for some sad souls to unfairly judge so many others who are just trying their best, and allow people of all shades to merge into the mosaic, in whatever fashion their individual preferences will support, effectively eliminating all this phony and unnecessary hierarchy garbage. That's what freedom is.

Happy Trading and Happy Sharing


P.S. - If you're a reader who keeps getting flamed by puffed-up jokers who have nothing better to do, no matter your effort to upload within the constraints of your particular system and/or budget, please jump in and say what you think. It's important for you to be heard rather than allowing that ratio flamer shit to, in any way, intimidate you into apologizing for your numbers. These people should be wholly ashamed, just like those now running our country (into the ground). Every kilobyte uploaded is a positive contribution from you to this system and community, regardless of what you receive from it, and as a recipient of some really good stuff, I, my friends, my family, and many receiving acquaintances are extremely thankful!

If you spent half as much time giving back as you did writing that brainless diatribe you wouldn't have such a shitty share ratio.

[paddington]

ZING!!


but it's not that shitty, in all fairness

[freezer]

Originally Posted by markknopfler

If you spent half as much time giving back as you did writing that brainless diatribe you wouldn't have such a shitty share ratio.

I thought the site owner said ratios don't matter.....are we still flogging that horse?







Besides if Dudogger posts another 2000 words in the Lounge and even if the posts all happen to be single word posts in the "word Association" thread, he'll be as accepted around here as james-ky.....

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know nothing!

[possessed]

Originally Posted by freezer

I thought the site owner said ratios don't matter.....are we still flogging that horse?







Besides if Dudogger posts another 2000 words in the Lounge and even if the posts all happen to be single word posts in the "word Association" thread, he'll be as accepted around here as james-ky.....

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Isn't about time you found a Led Zeppelin thread to go and whine in? Or maybe a guitar to glue?

[paddington]

what ever happened to the guitar gluer? I miss him. miss him, miss him. NUmber 9, number 9

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by markknopfler

If you spent half as much time giving back as you did writing that brainless diatribe you wouldn't have such a shitty share ratio.

[freezer]

...Hello 'possessed'.......the word association thread is in the Lounge.....You should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque, maroon.














This site jumped the shark when it allowed the "word association thread" trolls like 'possessed' to roam freely throughout.

Does he even have a clue that this is a music site?

Maybe he needs the site owner to s-l-o-w-l-y explain the r-a-t-i-o situation to him alone, so he needn't troll in the music area any longer.

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know nothing!

[paddington]

I just realized this thread is not in the lounge.. I had assumed it was, due to the content... I appologize to the suggestion mod(s) for talking shit in here. Maybe this should be moved to the lounge? It hasn't been very constructive.

[freezer]

Originally Posted by jameskg

I just realized this thread is not in the lounge.. I had assumed it was, due to the content... I appologize to the suggestion mod(s) for talking shit in here. Maybe this should be moved to the lounge? It hasn't been very constructive.

I saw this thread as VERY productive, since the site owner told everyone once what she thinks of ratios...PERIOD. Maybe this thread isn't productive to those that can't change her mind?

Maybe this thread should be in the Lounge though.

Keep the trolls like jameskg and possessed in one place.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Does he even have a clue that this is a music site?

Seems like he uploads shows.

Originally Posted by freezer

Keep the trolls like jameskg and possessed in one place.

And dcbullet.

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by freezer

I saw this thread as VERY productive, since the site owner told everyone once what she thinks of ratios...PERIOD. Maybe this thread isn't productive to those that can't change her mind?

I voiced *my* opinion on ratios, sure, but other people have different opinions. If policy here was to be changed, then the majority of Staff would have to agree to change it - not just me.

But yeah, guys, this thread is to discuss what the original poster brought up - whether we have a ratio policy. If you guys want to continue to lounge post, y'all know where The Lounge is.

Posts for the sake of personal bashing may be deleted.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

If you guys want to continue to lounge post, y'all know where The Lounge is.

But freezer's not allowed there.

<<snicker>>

[freezer]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

.....
Posts for the sake of personal bashing may be deleted.

uh-huh......well........The Lounge is just the place for this thread now that any and all dissenting opinions are met with a few trollish remarks......let 'em bash one another lights out over there.



Maybe that's why it's been suggested to move this thread.



You might have noticed that I am out of the Lounge since 2006 and I've refused to ask for the 'privledge' to return.

Best that I stay out of an area so over-run with sanctioned and official trolls.

I see ol 'bullet noticed this while he's still trolling this thread. <snicker>

Nothing gets past Mr. Jambalaya......


What I've noticed......repeatedly....I've noticed that dissenting opinions are usually less than tolerated by certain overly-dogmatic individuals at TTD....




However, I thought we were talking about ratios here.


Looks like I mis-understood that when Lynne made a remark that it was an 'opinion' and not 'policy'. I apoloogize, Lynne.


Is there any chance of a decision about ratios that can be written down?

Something in concrete?

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[U2Lynne]

This thread isn't going to be moved, however it is tempting to go prune out the non-ratio related posts in this thread.

What is there to write down? We currently do not ban anyone for low ratios, thus there is nothing that states "You Will Be Banned If Your Ratio Goes Below .XX". We've always emphasized sharing on this site in many different ways and that is what our response has always been in threads like this and it is even written on the front page of the site (I'm pretty sure). But, that doesn't mean users can't bring up the idea of banning for low ratios. They get frustrated when people leech and run and they should be allowed to talk about it cuz it IS frustrating! So, we discuss it and talk about why we don't ban for low ratios. Now, if things got to be really bad, and where that line is I don't know, then we may start to seriously think about banning for low ratios. But I don't currently see things being that bad.

[FBM]

I do know that i have a shit ratio, and im actually sorry for that.
I did not read the whole thread, perhaps this was mentioned before, but i think you should not ban people, as you said this is a trading site, just make them not download anything, so, when they fall under e.g 0.20 they can't download anything or so.

BTW im trying to put my ratio up to 1.0
Cheers