Is there an explicit ratio policy here?

[Festafarian]

Dudogger,

yeah, yeah.... we get you don't adhere to the ratio thing. but it's been said before and you still ignore the point: "why not B&P, vine or do freebies"? One or 2 freebies and you would never have to answer for your lack of ratio

[ssquirrel]

Originally Posted by Dudogger

*cherry tree analogy*

Interesting comparison (really). Although.. I will say that the cherry tree doesn't just grow magically by itself after the "old man" plants it once. You need to make sure destructive caterpillars and other insects aren't infecting and killing the tree. If there's a drought, you need to make sure the tree is getting enough water, etc. My point is just that after the old man dies, the children need to become adults and step up to help maintain the life of the tree.


I'll address Silver Stallion's post too, not because I'm trying to be confrontational, but I'm just trying to make a point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Randy has access to a really high speed internet connection (basing this on the fact that he's uploaded 15 TB). Since he can upload so quickly, then leechers who drop off after completing probably aren't an issue for him. But it is for the rest of us.
Like when Phishblowz for example seeded the Beatles Anthology Director's Cut. Five 8 gig sets. If the first four people who complete drop out in that swarm, it's a big deal, because it means he needs to stay around a lot longer than he thought he would (and that means DAYS longer). For someone like Randy, it wouldn't be as big an inconvenience so I can see where he's coming from. But I can also see where other uploaders are coming from.

When someone isn't close to 1.0 ratio, you could potentially be a very be big nuisance for uploaders or reseeders.

That's great that you're sharing outside of TTD. But when you're coming off as bitchy about getting flamed.. well I think you don't really have a leg to stand on especially considering most torrent sites do enforce ratios. And as everyone else has been saying, if you helped out at this site people wouldn't be too angry.

[Phishblowz]

I appreciate the fact that much trading and sharing can be done without being acknowledged (via pm and such) and that does help to make things more difficult, and I hate to do it, but I'll have to agree with Dudogger that having ratios with no form of enforcement only leads to this type of problem...what's the point of pointing out how much or little someone does for the community if there is no enforcement...it only serves to agitate those who do so much when those who do so little act like dicks...if there is no "requirements" to be a member here and ratios are meaningless, than we might as well do away with them entirely...however, hiding the fact that someone is always taking and never giving doesn't remedy the problem, it only hides it.

we will simply have to agree to disagree on the sharing issue...you hang on to the claim that you do all you can, but everyone else agrees that you can do more if you choose to...you can do this by sharing more after completion or by taking less and giving more...when I was new I took everything in sight and my ratio paid for it...these days, having gotten so much, I find that I need less and have more time to spend uploading and sharing what I DO take and that boosts the ratio up...yes you upped 122gb and that's great, but when you've downed over 500gb it don't mean much...if I owe the bank $500 and give them $100, I am still in debt to them...they may give me time to pay, but I certainly wouldn't try to convince them that they should be grateful for what I DID pay back...it's not a favor to them...it was they who did me the favor by giving me the money in the first place...now banks have contracts and you know what the deal is when you sign on...that's not the case here, so it may be a bit much to knock you for disregarding a rule that doesn't really exist...but I remain steadfast in the belief that you could improve your ratio if you wanted to...and you've made it clear that you do what you feel is right, and don't care if you're right or wrong, and according to the rules, you don't have to care...my biggest gripe is against the administrators who allow this to happen, it's wrong to blame you for taking advantage of the situation, when it's the fault of the admin for allowing this situation to take place...but IMHO, and the opinion of many here, you are taking advantage of the site...and whether or not you agree is irrelevant

BTW...I don't mind all the kiddies pickin my cherries...but I resent the the snot-nosed brats that complain to me when the cherries are gone as though they are entitled to those cherries...those who take what is available and are happy with it are okay in my book (even if their ratio is poor) but those who complain about the free cherries and are still dissatisfied with what they got for nothing don't deserve the cherries...if those who didn't appreciate the cherries, didn't take them, then there would be more cherries for those who are grateful to have them...in other words, your inability to give back the amount of bandwidth you took to complete the torrent means less bandwidth for the rest of the bunch...and the responsible folks who don't rest on the fact that "they're doing the best they can do" are left sharing more than they should have to to make up for your share...either that or the torrent dies prematurely because there is no one left to share it back out

it's more about attitude than ratios, and not only is your ratio pathetic, but your attitude is even worse...and that's what really makes it obscene...I've never seen someone who has given so little to THIS community seem so proud of themselves, and that's a disgrace

[saltman]

Originally Posted by Dudogger

My bad. Next time, I promise! But you've been here a while. Do tell why a casual ratio method is really the best way. What's the real purpose served? I'm all ears. Help me to wrap my headspace around the theory!

My take on the casual ratio system is that it is an attempt to accommodate the most people. It doesn't accommodate the extreme snatch and grabbers and it doesn't accommodate the habitual contributers.... but it makes the most people happy (if you believe in bell curve theory.) The people that share the most and care about it get there name in the lights. The people that snatch and run don't get banned (unless they become vocal and belligerent.) I personally value those that share to a 1.0 higher than those that don't. If I am asked to reseed something or jump on and save a torrent, I am much more likely to do so based on a 1.0 or higher share ratio, regardless of their physical limitations. I also check to see if they are a viner or do B+Ps here for the same reasons. I think many people here do the same. There are many notable members here who have a low to non-existent share ratio that I would drop what I was doing to help out in a second. That's because I know they contribute to the community through their recordings, mastering, or general discussion. I think you are being singled out for many reasons. Why are you so vocal about the ratio policy if it doesn't mean anything to you? People calling you out for it can't be that bad can it? That's part of the community here as far as I see. I think people don't see your contribution and the statements you leave read like you don't care to contribute.

Dudogger--No I'm not saying that things would be hunky-dory. Just stating the way I see and do things. Simple as that. I'll do things my way and you can do them yours. --Kurt

perhaps the problem isn't that we don't enforce ratios but that other sites do, so people have become trained through memberships at other sites to look towards them as a judge as to who is a good contributor to the community or not. the reason this site doesn't enforce a ratio requirement is that there are just too many other ways to share and give back to the community. there's no more point in forcing people to maintain a certain ratio than there would be to ban people who didn't offer up a certain number of B&P's. ratios are just one of many ways to give someone an idea as to what type of trader you are, and if you're going to keep insisting that users here adhere to the rules of other sites... well, you're most likely just pissing in the wind. hell just look at my ratio - why hasn't anyone ever flamed me for oversharing when its clear that i have personally prevented many a user from being able to reach a respectable level themselves? whole lot of evil oversharers around here, giving back way too much again and again, getting all the leeches to 100% well before the last people to join the torrent have a chance to give a little back.

quit having silly arguments!

oh wait, its the internet... continue as usual.

[Silver Stallion DVDs]

Originally Posted by ssquirrel

I'll address Silver Stallion's post too, not because I'm trying to be confrontational, but I'm just trying to make a point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Randy has access to a really high speed internet connection

I've never had anything other than a home internet connection. It used to be better than it is now - currently capped at a 220K upload.

Having said that ~ I still don't give a fuck about ratios.

[AAR.oner]

Originally Posted by Festafarian

Well said!
You really gotta come see us... we got PBRs for $2.

We'll let you work the barricade at some hardcore show. Throwing kids back into the crowd for a coupla hours will get rid of some of that aggression.

werd! funny thing is, 10 years ago i was that hardcore kid gettin thrown back into the crowd

wanted to come tape that Watain show, but weekdays are difficult...that Low show [opening for Wilco ] looks mad dope tho!

[paddington]

Originally Posted by Dudogger

Alternately, for those of you who only know to insult, you may now resume.

Thanks for typing all that shit... I guess. You were uploading while you were typing, right? Might have been long enough to balance out your ratio a bit.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by Silver Stallion DVDs

I've never had anything other than a home internet connection. It used to be better than it is now - currently capped at a 220K upload.

That's pretty damn fast.

[freezer]

Actually, Dudogger, you are going about this in the wrong way.

Fuck the ratio. Look at my ratio. .....

The only 2 people to ever complain about my ratio got a horselaugh in their faces.

Don't sweat it.

Take my advice and I'll let you in on how to become one of the inner-circle at TTD.

What you want to do is head over to the Lounge and become a Post Whore.

It's that simple.

Your problems at TTD will be solved.

Become a part of the TTD community without ever having to listen to music ever again! There's Post Whores that are so very integral to the TTD family that still don't have the slightest clue that this is "obstensibly" a music-sharing site.

That will solve your problems, don't fight them .....join them....

Become a Post Whore.



Hey, they let jameskg and dcbullet do it, why not you?

And in order to make your life easier, there's a word association thread in the Lounge that allows you to post replies of one word.

Just think how quickly you too can become a member of the TTD family posting a few thousand times in the Word Association thread. Ask weesam about it.

Hell, I'll even give you a cute word to start with....

"analingus"

.....Try that word in the Lounge's Word Association thread.

You're sure to get some "spirit"-ed replies to THAT word.

yer pal,
freezer



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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know shit!

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Hey, they let jameskg and dcbullet do it, why not you?

And lookey, you too!

[direwolf-pgh]

Originally Posted by Dudogger

blah..blah..blah..

I'm sorry.. did you say something

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

And lookey, you too!

Ahhh, but the difference is that I didn't ask for it ...

and without a social life, you can't live without it......

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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know shit!

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Ahhh, but the difference is that I didn't ask for it ...

Uhhh, nobody did.

Originally Posted by freezer

and without a social life, you can't live without it......

[dcbullet]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (4 members and 0 guests)
dcbullet, direwolf-pgh, Beyond N Back, freezer



Better get back to that "social life"

[freezer]

AT Today 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by dcbullet

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (4 members and 0 guests)
dcbullet, direwolf-pgh, Beyond N Back, freezer



Better get back to that "social life"

Then at.....All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:12 PM.
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (4 members and 0 guests)
dcbullet, freezer

You know all about that glass house, don't ya,

Why don't you head back to that word association thread, ol' james-ky's getting grumpy cause its your turn, the word for your turn is "lineage"





Don't get upset if its a word you don't comprehend.....

...Just make it up, why be different.
____________________________________________________

Originally Posted by Spider_Web

Well, then you are calling some serious Led Zep collectors liars.

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fucker! You don't know nothing!

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

You know all about that glass house, don't ya,

Since I'm not the one who brought up this mystical "social life" that you attend to instead of post here ( ), no, I don't know about glass houses.

Read back a couple posts and try to engage your brain.

Originally Posted by freezer

Why don't you head back to that word association thread, ol' james-ky's getting grumpy cause its your turn, the word for your turn is "lineage"





Don't get upset if its a word you don't comprehend.....

...Just make it up, why be different.
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Oh boy! The old lineage zinger, which has nothing to do with me.

Good one old man. Keep pulling those old, tired, crusty, meaningless insults out of your fetid old brain. Next will come Koolaid, 20 monkeys, why don't you tape your own shows, etc.

[Beyond N Back]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (4 members and 0 guests)
dcbullet, direwolf-pgh, Beyond N Back, freezer



Better get back to that "social life"

I logged on and searched "freezer" to see if there were any new masters uploaded and found this thread (tough read for only 4 pages). I won't defend my social life or lack of, but I do have enough dignity not to ever get spotted lurking in one of those lounge threads.

Actually had a fairly social day today. Went on a field trip with about 100 high school kids and some volunteer zoologists, botanists and geologists to a few beautiful spots where we tracked different species and collected some interesting data. Nice group of kids and dedicated adults. Listened to a great Larry Raspberry Freezer master on my commute

Rest of the day won't be too social. Looking forward to watching the second half of the of the Cavs / Nets (I like the Cavs) and then the Spurs / Suns (don't like either, just hoping to see some more blood ). I'll probably switch over to NCIS / House / Boston Legal if my girlfriend has her way with the remote.

Almost as boring as getting worked up over share ratios

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

Oh boy! The old lineage zinger, which has nothing to do with me.....

Sorry, bullet, I just looked at your lists, why else bring up lineages?




What's the matter, did that crack about lineages and your list hit too close to home, bullet?

Where's that violin so I can play "My Heart Bleeds For You"...poor baby....




Well, I'm sure someone in the lounge will explain about the metaphor of "glass houses" or maybe you can ask your junior high's remedial English teacher tommorrow in class.


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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fucker! You don't know nothing!

[freezer]

Originally Posted by Beyond N Back

I logged on and searched "freezer" to see if there were any new masters uploaded and found this thread (tough read for only 4 pages). I won't defend my social life or lack of, but I do have enough dignity not to ever get spotted lurking in one of those lounge threads.

Listened to a great Larry Raspberry Freezer master on my commute

1. New Masters coming soon from the freezer. I recorded 40+ sets from 6 days of the 2007 New Orleans Jazz Fest.

2. Glad you enjoyed the Larry Raspberry.

3. DCBullet lives the Lounge......

4. The Lou Reed 11/8/74 torrent has disappeared. Why?

5. Nothing new coming from dcbullet except more of his same old gripes.

6. Are you ever going to offer anything ever, dcbullet? That is, except more of your griping.....


(Oh, that wacky bullet....he thinks it's an insult just to ask him when he'll finally contribute something back.....This is the perfect thread for dcbullet to brag about NEVER giving anything back......)

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Originally Posted by Spider_Web

Well, then you are calling some serious Led Zep collectors liars.

Originally Posted by DanDavis

If the shoe fits......

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by freezer

4. The Lou Reed 11/8/74 torrent has disappeared. Why?

I know! I know! I know the answer to one of these!!!

It was an accident! You reported a double post (of yours) in the thread, and the Mod who went to delete the post accidentally hit Delete Thread instead of Delete Post. He was supposed to PM Emilio and explain what happened and ask him to put it back up again.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

5. Nothing new coming from dcbullet except more of his same old gripes.

6. Are you ever going to offer anything ever, dcbullet? That is, except more of your griping.....

Maybe you should click on my profile to see what I contribute before you open your mouth.

But thanks for being so predictable.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Sorry, bullet, I just looked at your lists, why else bring up lineages?


What's the matter, did that crack about lineages and your list hit too close to home, bullet?

No Geezer, it doesn't hit home at all, that's why I said it has nothing to do with me. I can tell you get a chubby (Viagra assisted, of course) over the topic though.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by Beyond N Back

I logged on and searched "freezer" to see if there were any new masters uploaded and found this thread (tough read for only 4 pages). I won't defend my social life or lack of, but I do have enough dignity not to ever get spotted lurking in one of those lounge threads.

Actually had a fairly social day today. Went on a field trip with about 100 high school kids and some volunteer zoologists, botanists and geologists to a few beautiful spots where we tracked different species and collected some interesting data. Nice group of kids and dedicated adults. Listened to a great Larry Raspberry Freezer master on my commute

Rest of the day won't be too social. Looking forward to watching the second half of the of the Cavs / Nets (I like the Cavs) and then the Spurs / Suns (don't like either, just hoping to see some more blood ). I'll probably switch over to NCIS / House / Boston Legal if my girlfriend has her way with the remote.

Almost as boring as getting worked up over share ratios

Wasn't directed at you, but thanks for the hightlights of you day, sounds like fun.

[paddington]

[freezer]

Originally Posted by dcbullet

Maybe you should click on my profile to see what I contribute before you open your mouth.

But thanks for being so predictable.

Maybe I did and saw nothing new there ....certainly nothing unique.......

Originally Posted by dcbullet

No Geezer, it doesn't hit home at all, that's why I said it has nothing to do with me. I can tell you get a chubby (Viagra assisted, of course) over the topic though.

Wipe your chin, dcGullet.....you still thinking about what you ate for lunch today......

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Maybe I did and saw nothing new there ....certainly nothing unique.......

Now geezer, when someone makes you look like an ass, try to take it like a man that you aren't.

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Wipe your chin, dcGullet.....you still thinking about what you ate for lunch today......

No one's interested in your NAMBLA fantasies geezer.

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by freezer

Maybe I did and saw nothing new there ....certainly nothing unique.......

Nothing new or unique? Come on, freezer, he tapes and then shares his own recordings. Isn't that what you are always pushing people to do?

[freezer]

Back to the word association thread with him and he can rant on about viagra and chubbies where everyone already thinks he's an idiot.

Maybe you can start a thread just for him there in the Lounge where he lives........

You can call it..... "dcbullet is an idiot"

You certainly wouldn't want to start a thread like that where the subject couldn't see it....How cowardly would that be.......

You can let him post in it to show his NAMBLA affiliations.



__________________

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know nothing!

[dcbullet]

Originally Posted by freezer

Back to the word association thread with him and he can rant on about viagra and chubbies where everyone already thinks he's an idiot.

Maybe you can start a thread for him there........

"dcbullet is an idiot"

You certainly wouldn't want to start a threa

You can let him post in it to show his NAMLA affiliations.

I'll take that as an apology.

[freezer]

You have nothing to apologize for, you can't help being an idiot......

[paddington]

Originally Posted by freezer

Back to the word association thread with him and he can rant on about viagra and chubbies where everyone already thinks he's an idiot._

are you the spokesperson for "everyone" now? You do that a lot. Sort of like how Sharpton thinks he is the spokesperson for all black people?

I think that kind of false legitimization speaks to a need to hide your deep feelings of self ineptitude.

Even you don't believe your own bullshit so you allude to "everyone" being on the bandwagon of your latest rant, hoping, with clasped palms, that some will actually jump on - which usually ends up being the same couple of people. Then, you 'roar' to the forefront as the 'leader' of these sycophants, as will be demonstrated over the next few posts. It's kind of pitiful.

[dementrium]

dcbullet & freezer, there's an special "Men seeking Men" thread already here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ad.php?t=37928

Chairwoman Administrator is handling room tickets for the happy couples there.

[freezer]

^^^Yawn........

james-ky, the most pitiful thing about the entire internet is that it gives you a platform to whine to the whole fricking world.





No, I never claimed to speak for everybody, but what percent of the entire population of TTD could actually give a fuck about the Lounge?

Christ, nobody here could give a fuck about ratios.....that was my point, too bad the crack about becoming a Post Whore hit so close to home for a couple of you.....





Christ, nobody here could give a fuck about ratios.....which is what this thread is 'supposed to be' about, before I hijacked it.




And it sure as shit is true that the more you post inanely in the Lounge, the more you're accepted here.

That was the point of bringing up the 'word association' thread.....

How many years did it take you in high school, james-ky, having to have EVERYTHING explained to you?






What's your post count, jamesky.....or is that your "TTD creditability" ratio?

If you hadn't become a post whore, you'd still be nothing more than the major butt of the jokes in the Lounge.





If it worked for you, why shouldn't it work for Dudogger?

That's legitimate and serious answer.

If it worked for you, and helped you get accepted at this site, then why shouldn't it work for Dudogger.....

He's already proved himself more articulate than you , james-ky.



If Dudogger does what you did, hang out in the Lounge and posts 200 times a day, why shouldn't he be as accepted as you? You think you're better than him?









However I'd bet that there have been some new visitors to the Lounge since this thread was hijacked......

With all those new visitors to the Lounge, it's a good time to bring up starting a "jameskg is an idiot" thread, but this time I suggest that such a thread be in a spot where everyone can participate.....

Of course since I don't post in the lounge, it's a great time for some coward to start a "freezer is an idiot" thread there.


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Originally Posted by U2Lynne

You wall-eyed apple-knocking pig-fuckers! You don't know anything!

[U2Lynne]

Originally Posted by freezer

Christ, nobody here could give a fuck about ratios.....which is what this thread is 'supposed to be' about, before I hijacked it.

So, back to the topic......

[freezer]

Originally Posted by U2Lynne

So, back to the topic......

At least you didn't deny the truth behind what I posted......thanks.









Now, what about that explicit ratio thing.....and how are you gonna do anything to help adjust my ratio?

[saltman]

Originally Posted by freezer

Now, what about that explicit ratio thing.....and how are you gonna do anything to help adjust my ratio?

maybe you could start by recording something for yourself and share it with others.... all I hear is a mouth full of gimmee.

[freezer]

Originally Posted by saltman

maybe you could start by recording something for yourself and share it with others.... all I hear is a mouth full of gimmee. ...

I just recorded over 40 acts from the New Orleans Jazz Fest.....and some shows in clubs during and previous to the Jazz Fest....

A lot of sets where there were guests........ There were some out of town musicians climbing on stage with old rockers from the 'golden' days of New Orleans Swamp Pop......

I'm looking for a site that will allow jazz and blues and funk shows offered there as trades...... or you can PM me.....

Gotta warn you, I'm looking for "unique" recordings ..... not run of the mill humdrum crap.




I'm not interested in sharing on torrent anything any longer.....

Not enough people keep their ratios to a point where the chronic complainers won't keep their whiney asses in the lounge in the word association thread.......