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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Found this:
http://theaudiocritic.com/blog/index...Id=41&blogId=1 Quote:
Also what type of AD and DA converter did the 16/44.1 stage have? It doesn't say they compared vinyl at all, just CD vs. SACD vs. DVD-A. Someone posted here a few months ago about how he and some friends recorded an album @ 24 bit. They were really enjoying the nice warm sounds. Once he dithered to 16 bit to make a CD res version, all that warmth and definition was largely gone. He said he couldn't believe the difference. No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
those double-blind listening tests aren't very impressive anyways since average mp3 will also pass that test when it comes to average ears!
I like the sound of vinyl, just listen to your records when you're at home, that's what they're for. If you are taking the walkman out use a digital format its still pretty good. Yes, and 'needle drop' recordings do sound great for some strange reason. there's also the experience of the larger coverart & side 1 then side 2 as two listening experiences. however, cds will often sound better than records that are pressed with too much music on them--like 30mins per side (check an old k-tel record out) or just poor pressings. there's also the problem of inner groove distortion. some cassettes sound quite good as well, back in the day I remember preferring use your illusion on cassette over the cd version fwiw.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Meyer's and Moran's report didn't involve vinyls at all. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. The point I was trying to make was that s good analogue playback system and a good digital playback system will both have very good fidelity so the main differences will be in the recordings themselves. The advantage with digital signals are that they are robust in a way that an analogue system like vinyl records will never be. You will never have any problems with clicks, pops, surface noise and other kinds of distortions associated with vinyls and turntables.
If you want to know more about Meyer's and Moran's report the best thing would be to read it. There is also a website with more details about music and equipment. http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/explanation.htm No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Another benefit of vinyl is that there are often both mono & stereo versions. Far too often it's fake stereo, which can produce a horrid sounding record (see the Airplane's Surrealistic Pillow). The mono version sounds great though.
And there's a plethora of material that has never been reissued on CD, and most likely never will. Buy the vinyl & make your own CDs. No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
All of the source components listed in that test are universal SACD/DVD-A/CD players or SACD only players, which means they might have 1 bit sigma delta type converters for PCM CD and DVD-A playback. I'd probably have to call the companies for info on which type of DA converters they use for PCM playback, that info isn't easy to come by for all brands. The only player that is high end is the Sony, and it is an SACD/CD player, and its DA converters are 1 bit sigma delta type. 1 bit converters are used primarily for cost savings, not for high performance.
IMO great vinyl is leaps and bounds above any CDs I've heard, although some CDs are better than others. DVD-A sounds better than CD on a DVD-A/V/CD player IMO. It doesn't have SACD playback, so it may have true multibit converters. Studios for years have recorded at 24 bit or 20 bit and dithered to 16 bit often using the Apogee UV22 process. They have found that this sounds much better than simply recording at 16 bit with no dither. But one experiment using standard consumer crap throws out all of this research and experience? Quote:
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may99/articles/hhb.htm
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
The whole delta-sigma vs. multi bit DACs to me sounds a lot like "audiophile fashion" rather than serious input on electrical engineering. Meyer and Moran's article has been the subject of lengthy discussion in other forums with comments from the authors themselves. I think that most types criticism has already been brought forward.
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?...ght=EBradMeyer (This link probably has the most info) http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?...ght=EBradMeyer http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...775facb20fb2e1 No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Here's a good article about multibit DACs vs. single bit sigma delta DACs. The SACD system is single bit sigma delta @ high sample rate by design. What that experiment shows, or attempts to show, is that the 1 bit sigma delta DAC is the best digital sound will ever have to offer. I don't believe this is the case, and I also don't believe it is just a case of better mastering making all the difference in sound quality, although this is a big factor. Perhaps 24 bits is too little to really make a huge difference? Perhaps all the source components in the test had 1 bit converters which might have been the equalizing factor (bringing sound quality of all sources down) no matter if the source was 1 bit SACD, 16 bit CD, or 24 bit DVD-A? 1 bit DACs are severely lacking IMO and a particularly bad 5 disc Sony CD changer made me loathe digital sound with a passion for the longest time. I much preferred my LPs, there was no contest, and I only had an entry level Denon turntable w/stock cartridge. There are other ways to describe the sound of analog other than warmth. Presence or realism come to mind. Theoretically, this can be matched eventually with digital if enough bits per sample(esp.)/samples per second are used.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...mpling_dac.htm Quote:
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folder...t/pcm1704.html
Here's the page of the Burr Brown PCM1704 24bit/96kHz R2R DAC that was referenced in the article. No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Vinyl sounds a lot better imho. Vinyl sounds more like 'Gold' CD's
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Do you mean that the MFSL Gold CDs sound more like vinyl, vinyl being the current sound quality champ?
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
its the mastering dynamics of the media type imo.
grab an album you're intimately familiar with > listen to it on several different remastering attempts on several different media types ive found there are several versions Ill enjoy for certain characteristics/qualities. 2¢ No members have liked this post.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
Yes, at least the MFSL's Ive listened to.
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Re: Vinyl records vs. Cds.
the Toshiba-EMI releases I've heard are top shelf imo.
some of the best CD's Ive heard. No members have liked this post.
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