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Tate
2005-05-05, 07:15 PM
Since I'm stumped, I'll ask the experts here. The lineage to this is apparently master tape --> CDR --> CDR --> FLAC (seeder said he can't quite remember).

There is activity over 16K, so I didn't think it was lossy. But then with a close-up, looks lossy because of those blocks. This show is from 1975, so it's no MD recording ;)

What do you guys think?

Tate
2005-05-05, 07:28 PM
I uploaded a small WAV clip:
http://rapidshare.de/files/1597348/WAV.wav.html

ffooky
2005-05-05, 07:47 PM
I'm very interested in the consensus on this as I've seen quite a few very similar analyses, usually from equally old if not older shows...the staggered drop off in the frequency analysis and blocky yet irregular look to the spectral.

Five
2005-05-05, 09:27 PM
no question in my mind, that's lossy.

jcrab66
2005-05-05, 09:37 PM
that looks very nasty.....

ssamadhi97
2005-05-06, 08:43 AM
This show is from 1975, so it's no MD recording ;)
From the looks of it, it went through an MD generation nonetheless - without a doubt.

Tate
2005-05-06, 12:17 PM
Thanks guys for the help!

From the looks of it, it went through an MD generation nonetheless - without a doubt.

I never considered that. Guess that explains it. People shouldn't do that to their bootlegs, it's as bad as converting to MP3. Only when a show has been recorded with a MD device it's OK..

Five
2005-05-06, 03:15 PM
I've seen this "rampart" pattern on a couple shows seeded on EZT before, I wonder if they could possibly be coming from the same culprit? I spent some time today playing around with lossy encoders trying to figure out what exactly this is to no avail. ssamadhi97 has the best theory so far.

ffooky
2005-05-06, 03:50 PM
Back on STG there was a bloke seeding a slew of Peter Laughner/RFTT recordings and they all had the same fa/sa characteristics as this one.