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datdork
2008-09-09, 04:21 PM
I'm using vegas 8 to edit, render etc and dvd lab to author. generally I like to spit a show onto 2 dvd5's. I'm working on a 2 cam col bruce show and there is no good place to split b/c of the segues. even when there aren't actual segues there is zero time between songs to make a disc split.


anyway when authoring a dual layer do you leave it up to the burning software to decide where the break is? again I'm using dvd lab and it seems from looking at the help files that is what should be done.


I did this, compiled and watched it. at the layer break (very close to a chapter point) it skips that chapter and goes ahead one. basically it skips a whole song at the break. I moved the chapter point back about a second but can't go any further back or forward with it b/c of the segues. I have not re-complied. thought I'd ask what others do, or for tips etc first.

pawel
2008-09-09, 07:21 PM
I have never set a layer break in DLP - good to know that it has such nasty bug. In my opinion the best for setting the layer break is PGCEdit. It can make it really seamless - make ISO image to preserve it. Seamless option not always works in Imgburn btw.

Outside authoring application which has option to set the break, and may burn disc directly, you won't be able to freely manipulate it. Great if you get more than 2 points to choose. If PGCEdit doesn't offers sensible choice, try to add or move chapter point a bit earlier. Sometimes it works, sometimes no ;)

datdork
2008-09-09, 08:07 PM
I have never set a layer break in DLP - good to know that it has such nasty bug. In my opinion the best for setting the layer break is PGCEdit. It can make it really seamless - make ISO image to preserve it. Seamless option not always works in Imgburn btw.

Outside authoring application which has option to set the break, and may burn disc directly, you won't be able to freely manipulate it. Great if you get more than 2 points to choose. If PGCEdit doesn't offers sensible choice, try to add or move chapter point a bit earlier. Sometimes it works, sometimes no ;)


thanks for the info. just to clarify I didn't set the break in dvd lab. I complied as usual. burned with nero (I usually use ones). then watched it. right before the layer break it skips to the next chapter skipping a song/chapter.

on another board some posted this link about imgburn

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=1780

I'll try that and the pgcedit if need be. I just didn't want to waist a bunch of dl disc. they ain't cheap ;)

pawel
2008-09-09, 08:40 PM
Don't use Nero for DL - it's general rule, and well know problem causing app.

stantheman1976
2008-09-09, 09:57 PM
ImgBurn is the only way to go for video burning, especially dual layer. Also remember to use +R DL discs as they allow you to choose the layer break whereas -R DL goes to the end of the first layer always.

datdork
2008-09-09, 10:27 PM
ImgBurn is the only way to go for video burning, especially dual layer. Also remember to use +R DL discs as they allow you to choose the layer break whereas -R DL goes to the end of the first layer always.


thanks. I'm burning it now on my other computer following the directions on the link I posted. I'm using +DL blanks but on the "create layer break position" there is only one option and it says yes in the SPLIP column.


this is from the link. mine just has the one with yes.

http://forum.imgburn.com/uploads/post-8-1153596453.png


it's about done so I'll check it out.

schmoe75
2008-09-09, 10:43 PM
ImgBurn is the only way to go for video burning, especially dual layer.
I disagree...Links in my sig

datdork
2008-09-09, 10:46 PM
I disagree...Links in my sig

like I said I usually use ones but used nero for some reason today. not a good idea ;)

that said I really didn't want to try every program I have. I don't keep many DL in stock.

shopkin
2008-09-10, 09:43 AM
whats this....? another issue with duel layer discs?? i cant believe it...;)

............ I just didn't want to waist a bunch of dl disc. they ain't cheap ;)
:wave:

schmoe75
2008-09-10, 11:31 AM
Its not the disc's fault it was burnt using crappy nero

datdork
2008-09-10, 11:53 AM
I burnt one with imgburn using the method posted above. it doesn't skip the song/chapter but has 2 or 3 nasty little pauses.

I think I'm gonna end up spitting it into to 2 disc. there is a place to it's just early in the set (35 min disc one, 77 min disc two)

schmoe75
2008-09-10, 11:58 AM
I'd try burning with ONES before doing another render.

datdork
2008-09-10, 12:38 PM
I'd try burning with ONES before doing another render.


I will. I got both versions rendered and complied. this computer I built is super fast so it's not much of a issue.

pawel
2008-09-10, 12:49 PM
I burnt one with imgburn using the method posted above. it doesn't skip the song/chapter but has 2 or 3 nasty little pauses.

Do other DL discs you have play smoothly with you standalone player?

Like I wrote above Imgburn has the seamless flag option but it has to be set differently than by PGCEdit (works with player I have). Also not all players support this option, and they will pause a little whatever you do.

Problem with Nero is that it ignores the layer break written in VIDEO_TS.IFO, and sets it where a file reaches end of the layer.

u2rulesmyworld
2008-09-11, 12:46 PM
112 minutes on a dual layer?, you should be able to get decent quality onto a SL disc

you could compress your show in near perfect quality to h264 or divx and the file would be about 1 gig, and look WAY better than dvd mpeg2

Divx even has a program that allows you to make DVD style menu's for your divx shows, I havent tried it yet tho, it looked cool from what i read

pawel
2008-09-11, 03:12 PM
112 minutes on a dual layer?, you should be able to get decent quality onto a SL disc
it's first layer, genius

you could compress your show in near perfect quality to h264 or divx and the file would be about 1 gig, and look WAY better than dvd mpeg2
great advice, why the hell we torrent here DVDs rather than super duper DivX? :wtf:

datdork
2008-09-11, 08:04 PM
he was right in that the total time is 112 mins. but I like to keep a high bitrate and use LPCM audio so the rest of what he said goes out the window. if it were episodes of the office I'd use divx but since it's a show I filmed I'm making a dvd ;)


thanks pawel for the tips. looks like I am splitting it though. I'd hate for anyone to have to deal with the pause/jump at the break. I can figure out how to burn it right but most leechers won't.

pawel
2008-09-12, 03:01 AM
he was right in that the total time is 112 mins.
LOl, then apologies to u2rulesmyworld at this part.

Do you use video bitrate over 8000 kbps? Check here (http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/tutorial/bitrate.html)

u2rulesmyworld
2008-09-12, 11:48 AM
he was right in that the total time is 112 mins. but I like to keep a high bitrate and use LPCM audio so the rest of what he said goes out the window. if it were episodes of the office I'd use divx but since it's a show I filmed I'm making a dvd ;)




so for the office you prefer high quality results

but for something you took the time and effort to film yourself you prefer 1990 technology, interesting

Granted alot of people use h264 and divx at lower bitrate to create super small file sizes but the reality is that at a bitrate of 2000kbps or higher in h264 and divx you are getting MUCH better than DVD quality results in 1/4 the file size of DVD mpeg2

Granted a DVD at 8000kbps with Lpcm is going to look good, but for a 2 hour show that means something like 9 gigs

I just did a 2h14m show in divx at a bitrate of 2700kbps video, 224kbps mp3 audio and it is 2.65 gigs and will play in a divx compatible DVD player and in virtually DV quality

I will be torrenting it here and on u2torrents this weekend, you should take a look

saltman
2008-09-12, 11:52 AM
I will be torrenting it here and on u2torrents this weekend, you should take a lookYou won't be torrenting it here. It doesn't meet our quality standards.

u2rulesmyworld
2008-09-12, 11:52 AM
great advice, why the hell we torrent here DVDs rather than super duper DivX? :wtf:

good question, why are we still using DVD?

my question is why are we all driving cars and not still riding horses?

oh yeah thats right technology advances

8mm < hi8 < dv < HDV

its called progress

u2rulesmyworld
2008-09-12, 11:54 AM
You won't be torrenting it here. It doesn't meet our quality standards.

your right, it exceeds them

are you just saying that or do you actually know the quality of what I am offering?

saltman
2008-09-12, 12:01 PM
If you want to discuss divx and how it relates to our standards please start another thread and review our seeding guidelines.

u2rulesmyworld
2008-09-12, 12:04 PM
If you want to discuss divx and how it relates to our standards please start another thread and review our seeding guidelines.

Done

shopkin
2008-09-12, 04:10 PM
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