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U2Lynne
2005-01-04, 11:14 AM
We realize that some of you may have some questions about whether something you have may be seeded here at The Traders' Den. Some of you have PMed a Mod prior to putting your show up on our tracker, which is just fine, but sometimes it is more helpful if everyone can see your lineage questions and learn from the questions/answers here in the forums.

One of the most common questions we get are questions regarding CDR(x) - unknown generation CDRs being seeded. You will probably notice that many of the older shows are seeded from CDR(x) and we are just fine with CDR(x) being in the lineage. That is because it is very difficult for people to know the generation of the CDR from an older show. Also, CDR(x) is perfectly fine if that is the *known* show that is circulating. However, CDR(x) is not acceptable when there is a known generation (say, CDR(M) or CDR(2)) of a show circulating. Also, simply putting down CDR is not acceptable. CDR(x) or CDR(somenumber or M) is what we want to see. It just makes it more clear for people trying to read the lineage of a show.

Also, regarding Silver CDs. If a show is sourced from a Silver CD, then there should not be CDR(anything) added into the lineage unless the pressing of this show was very limited. It should also be noted that many times Silver CDs are just pressings of some known (or unknow) person's recording that may or may not have been done with his permission. Sometimes people here are seeding the actual Masters and these are better than the Silver CDs that were made from their unknown generation copy of their Master.

So, please feel free to post any seeding or lineage questions you may have either in this thread or in a separate thread in this forum and we will do our best to answer your questions.

Thank you

Cyndiotta
2005-01-10, 10:56 AM
Good idea Lynne..okay I'll go first :D...is this linerage okay?

The Police: Born in the 50's
Paradise Theatre, Boston, MA, USA, 7-Apr-1979 (2nd set)
Format: CD
Length: 76:27
Sound quality: exc from radio b'cast (WBCN Boston), stereo
Label: Great Dane Records
Cat #: GDR CD8917
Year: 1989
Country: Italy
Cover: Black and white, w/ green writing
Disc: Sky blue, w/ black writing
Matrix: GDR CD 8917 PHC

Lineage: My Silver>EAC(secure mode)>SHN(mkw)
This CD contains the complete show; the sound quality is high, as usual with GDR pressings, and was not taken from previous bootlegs, but mastered from a tape.

Known variants: None!

Other bootlegs with the same show: There are, but this is the best in quality and completeness.

U2Lynne
2005-01-10, 11:22 AM
Cyndi, this actually looks fine. The only thing I might suggest is:

Lineage: radio broadcast > tape(x) > My Silver>EAC(secure mode)> wav >SHN(mkw)

I just added the little bit about it originally being from a broadcast and then put onto tape as was written in the notes.

If possible, you should try to include the EAC log in your torrent folder.

(that quote of Stephen's cracks me up everytime I see it!)

Cyndiotta
2005-01-10, 11:55 AM
Cyndi, this actually looks fine. The only thing I might suggest is:

Lineage: radio broadcast > tape(x) > My Silver>EAC(secure mode)> wav >SHN(mkw)

I just added the little bit about it originally being from a broadcast and then put onto tape as was written in the notes.

If possible, you should try to include the EAC log in your torrent folder.

(that quote of Stephen's cracks me up everytime I see it!)


Perfect Lynne...exactly what I was wanting to know
that tape comment made we wonder if I should change the linerage line. Thanks girlie !!

Bytor31
2005-01-29, 08:21 PM
very nice, thanx for allowing us to ask for help here :( I had two shows taken donw due to lack of lineage, I missed that although I think I did get everything else right! Anyhow, I have some shows I would love to share but am unsure if their is a lineage or if it's OK...so here they go...

STYX
THE LIVE ILLUSION
LIVE AT BUDOKAN, TOKYO, JAPAN
JANUARY 13, 1982
no lineage listed at all in info, just flac fingerprints


A Van Halen show has this lineage:
Source: MASTER DAT
Lineage: SP-CMC-4 cardiod mic>Sp-SPSB-1>SONY D-8 DAT
Recorder>wave (adobe audition)>FLAC


a couple of RUSH shows have this lineage:
Watch Tower silver CD > CDR > EAC > CDWav > SHN (mkW)

one show has this as the lineage:
Remastered from a low generation copy of the original analog audience recording using Sonic Foundry Sound Forge 6.0, Steinberg FreeFilter 1.1

another has:
Aud 1st Gen>cdx>shn

thanx in advance for any help you can give

U2Lynne
2005-01-29, 10:30 PM
The Styx show you say has no lineage, but, I want you to know that *every* show has lineage. It may not be what we are looking for, but they all have it.

Styx:
sbd > ?? > flac (via STG)

It went from soundboard to flac somehow, and so you note it. We would like more info on this site, however, so that really isn't what we want.

But That Is OK!!! Really. We know we are tight here with our Seeding Guidelines. We aren't trying to be some big download site, but rather a site that supplies lineage, and not just any lineage, but we are looking for really great lineage.

Van Halen:
I think that is OK. I'm not familiar with adobe audition, so I'll let a PC Mod answer that.

Rush:
Silver CD > CDR
Normally not OK. This is very iffy. It's a matter of whether the show is already circulating from the Silver CD generation. We do, however, realize that older shows sometimes aren't circulating from the Silvers. We want you to do some homework and see if there is a better generation of the show already in circulation.

Aud 1st Gen > cdx > shn:
Again, this depends..... if it is a CDR(x), we want to know that there isn't a better, known generation show already circulating. This also depends on the year of the show, so i can't give a real definite answer on this one.

I hope this helps.

Feel free to ask more questions because I may have missed some.

livedead13
2005-01-30, 09:55 PM
I am fairly new to trading and have acquired a lot of stuff through bittorrent. I am wanting to give back but have never had much to give. Due to the recent boycott of Everydayjones.com, many users have moved to this site in search of Phish dvds. I have a disc that I got from EZT a while back that has not been seeded on EDJ or this site (I am pretty sure) and I would like to get it back out there. It is a proshot Phish dvd captured from VHS, with a better quality audio sync. Since I got it a while ago, before EZT started banning phish dvds, I am not sure of the lineage and I know you guys are strict. Please let me know if I can seed this. As I said before, I feel obligated to upload something. Here is the text for the show I have so far:

Phish
August 29, 1992
Shoreline Amphitheatre
Mountain View, CA

Entire Set Opening for Santana

1. Chalkdust Torture
2. Rift
3. Bouncin Round the Room
4. Maze
5. YEM
6. Rift Promo

Video:
Proshot> ?> moderate gen VHS> digital transfer to DVD
NTSC MPEG-2
FPS 29.970
ASPECT 4:3 704x480
10080 kb/s VBR

Audio:
SBD> ?> digital transfer to PCM> AC3
AC3 256 CBR
48,000 khz samplerate

asaatvik
2005-02-11, 07:46 AM
Hi,

I'm relatively new here. Looks like a great site. Keep it going guys!!!

Anyway, can someone explain to me what AUD stands for or means in the lineage. Sorry this might be stupid but I searched google and wikipedia - they weren't very useful.

Also if you put up a sticky explaining the formats it will be great for newbies like me.

Thanks

U2Lynne
2005-02-11, 10:21 AM
Hi,

I'm relatively new here. Looks like a great site. Keep it going guys!!!

Anyway, can someone explain to me what AUD stands for or means in the lineage. Sorry this might be stupid but I searched google and wikipedia - they weren't very useful.

Also if you put up a sticky explaining the formats it will be great for newbies like me.

Thanks
AUD is audience.

I was going to say that the formats were all explained in the FAQ, but I don't see them there. Basically:

For audio seeds:
AUD - audience
SBD - soundboard
STU - studio
FM - FM boradcast
MTX - matrix (usually a mix of an audience and a soundboard or ALD)

For DVDs:
AUD - audience
PRO - proshot

You might want to look through our FAQs. Stephen put a lot of time and effort into them and they are pretty thorough. They could also make your head spin if you try to take it all in at one time. But, also feel free to look through our Technobabble Archive where we've saved some threads that we thought were useful. And, feel free to ask any questions here in Technobabble.

AAR.oner
2005-02-19, 10:29 AM
hey lynne...i have a question for ya...i'm in the midst of transfering some of my old vhs boots to digital--some are masters and some are from ebay (VHSx) years ago that i feel need to be liberated...might possibly seed some of these in the future if anyone wants em [&when i can get back on broadband]...i want to make sure i have all the info correct now while i'm transfering...

here's my set up:

Pro Desk Editor VCR (Panasonic AG-1980P) TO
A/D converter-firewire (Sony DVMC-DA2) TO
G4's Final Cut Pro HD (capture)...
from there i'll put it into DVD Studio Pro for chapters and dvd build...
i'll archive in a VIDEO_TS folder for future seed...


so far i have this as my lineage:

VHS(M/x) > Panasonic AG-1980P > Sony DVMC-DA2 > Final Cut Pro HD [capture] > DVD Studio Pro [chapter build]

what am i missing? i'm sure there's somethin'...

thanks...aar.onerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

artood2
2005-02-19, 11:13 AM
while 80% or more of the torrents I see dont list it I think the device used to transfer from tape deck to pc is crucially important.

a $50 soundblaster with "digital" in does not do the same job as say a dedicated audio card like a za2 or another studio quality card.

pmonk
2005-02-19, 11:55 AM
AUD is audience.

I was going to say that the formats were all explained in the FAQ, but I don't see them there. Basically:

For audio seeds:
AUD - audience
SBD - soundboard
STU - studio
FM - FM boradcast
MTX - matrix (usually a mix of an audience and a soundboard or ALD)

For DVDs:
AUD - audience
PRO - proshot

My understanding is that a matrix is using SBD and AUD to merge into one sound while a common pratice is to splice SBD and AUD scource to make a show complete so I think COL (Collage) should be added for audience seeds

taperguy27
2005-02-22, 02:38 PM
got a question for the mods. i've just recently converted "the jerry garcia tribute - live in Japan, 1997" direct from the laser disc>dvd. this video was available overseas for purchase, but to my understanding, it was only available on laserdisc. now i know that some bootleggers have transfered this to vhs and have been selling it, but mine was ripped from the ld.

so since, laserdiscs are a thing of the past can i seed my dvd that i converted here??? here's the lineage:

Laser disc> Dvd (DUH! ;) )
proshot/sbd
dvd authored by me w/ chapters, & menus added.

let me know.......thanks!

wazoo2u
2005-02-22, 02:46 PM
got a question for the mods. i've just recently converted "the jerry garcia tribute - live in Japan, 1997"
Possible helpful info HERE:
http://theband.hiof.no/videos/deadheads_japan.html

U2Lynne
2005-02-22, 02:52 PM
I'm not familiar with this, but if it was an official release at all, then even though it was only released on laserdisc in Japan, we still can't have it here. (Unfortunately, because it sounds like it would be a great transfer!)

Added: Hey wazoo, I didn't see your post at all, but that the first link that I came up with also. :)

taperguy27
2005-02-22, 02:54 PM
thanks u2lyne. no problem, figured it was best to ask before going through the motions and getting it shut down. i've got other rabits to pull out of my hat.........i was just trying to post something other than phish for a change.

(it's transferred an on the HD, if anyone is interested :D )

wazoo2u
2005-02-22, 06:02 PM
I'm not familiar with this, but if it was an official release at all, then even though it was only released on laserdisc in Japan, we still can't have it here. (Unfortunately, because it sounds like it would be a great transfer!)

Added: Hey wazoo, I didn't see your post at all, but that the first link that I came up with also. :)
Just trying to save ya some time :)

RainDawg
2005-02-23, 07:30 AM
so far i have this as my lineage:

VHS(M/x) > Panasonic AG-1980P > Sony DVMC-DA2 > Final Cut Pro HD [capture] > DVD Studio Pro [chapter build]

what am i missing? i'm sure there's somethin'...

thanks...aar.onerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The only thing I see missing from this is a note about the original source. Was it TV broadcast? Handheld camcorder from the audience? That should be included at the start of the lineage.

pmonk
2005-02-23, 07:37 AM
My entire library is on my office computer. For security concerns :rolleyes: , I've been asked to stop using BT!

Does that mean if I copy the flac/shn files to a cd-r to bring to my home computer that adds cd-r to the lineage and not torrentable on TTD???

RainDawg
2005-02-23, 08:12 AM
Does that mean if I copy the flac/shn files to a cd-r to bring to my home computer that adds cd-r to the lineage and not torrentable on TTD???
No, creating data CDs or DVDs does NOT add anything to the lineage. Data discs have error correcting and checking built into them that forces files to be identical before the can be extracted. Audio CDs do not, and as such making one or extracting can cause an error, but the user will never know this has occured.

So, go ahead and burn your data discs. Double-check the checksums after you get them off the CDs, and as long as they are identical, your lineage remains the same.

symon
2005-03-19, 07:57 PM
I'm planning to put up my first seed tomorrow. This is my info text file. Have I put in too much info, missed anything important, that sort of thing?? Thanks

KT Tunstall (with Charlie Mars in support)
Fiddlers
Bristol
Saturday 12 February 2005

Taper: Symon
Source: aud>Vivanco EM216 stereo mic>Vivanco battery box>line in Sharp MD 270 H
Transfer: MD 270 H>ANALOGUE TRANSFER via coax cable (Atlantic 3.5>3.5) in to Realtek AC'97 Audio soundcard>EAC>WAV>CDWave (track splits)>FLAC Frontend version 1.7.1 Etree Edn>lvl 8

Charlie Mars (support)
CD 1
01 One Horse Town
02 Simple Things
03 Bay Springs Road
04 Try So Hard
05 Bar Fly
06 Close To Home
07 When The Sun Goes Down

KT Tunstall
CD2
01 Another Place To Fall
02 Miniature Disasters
03 Other Side Of The World
04 Under The Weather
05 Black Horse And The Cherry Tree
06 False Alarm
07 Universe & U
08 Stoppin' The Love
09 Suddenly I see
10 Throw Me A Rope

Notes

I was sat on a table at the back of the room, next to the where the sound man was. So, there is a lot of audience noise, including the sound of people putting their glasses on the table in front of the mic! Luckily this is not too intrusive.

PLEASE DO NOT ENCODE TO LOSSY FORMATS UNLESS FOR PERSONAL USE

DO NOT SELL

U2Lynne
2005-03-20, 04:37 PM
Hey Symon,

I must have somehow missed this post yesterday. Anyway, the information in your text file looks just fine.

symon
2005-03-20, 04:43 PM
Thanks Lynne
I'm hoping to get this going soon.. fingers crossed!

toys
2005-03-20, 06:24 PM
Okay I got a question. I just received a show from a taper, and its an audio CD. Now, since I was at the show, I know that he was the only taper there and this is the only source available for this show. Is it okay for me to rip the audio tracks from the CDR and convert to FLAC, then seed it here? And would the lineage be SBD>CDR>EAC>FLAC?

Do I need to find out any other info from the taper such as what software or equipment he used?

U2Lynne
2005-03-20, 06:36 PM
I would put down for lineage:
SBD>??>CDR(1)*>EAC>FLAC

*CDR(1) is directly from the taper and may actually be CDR(M). The taper has only released this in audio format.


That would be a more acurate representation of the lineage, I believe (you can change my wording since I just couldn't come up with exactly the right words right now). And, it's always nice if you can get the software/equipment information/lineage from the taper. It just makes the lineage more complete.

toys
2005-03-20, 06:40 PM
I would put down for lineage:
SBD>??>CDR(1)*>EAC>FLAC

*CDR(1) is directly from the taper and may actually be CDR(M). The taper has only released this in audio format.


That would be a more acurate representation of the lineage, I believe (you can change my wording since I just couldn't come up with exactly the right words right now). And, it's always nice if you can get the software/equipment information/lineage from the taper. It just makes the lineage more complete.

Okily dokily, I'll shoot him an email and see what other info I can get from him.

RainDawg
2005-03-21, 07:26 AM
CDR(1) means it's a CDR copy of the original CDR. CDR(0) or CDR(M) represent master. If that's what you've got, please notate it as such.

toys
2005-03-21, 09:31 AM
Asked for more info as to recording equipment and such, and he sent me this for the lineage -

SBD > Tascam DA-P1 > DAT > Tascam CD-RW 700 > CD > Exact Audio Copy ( EAC ) > Hard Drive > Easy CD Creator 5 > CD.

I'll have to do another EAC extraction to pull the tracks off the disk he sent me. A little confused as to what the final lineage should be that I post with the show. Is the CD after the Tascam CD-RW 700 what I should note as CDR(0) or (M)? Or is it the final CD, the one he sent me, that I should note as CRD(0) or (M)? If so, what does that make the first CD? Again, this is a CD directly from the taper who was the only taper at this show.

toys
2005-03-22, 11:14 AM
Um yeah, if I could get an answer to the above post I'd probably post the show tonight.

U2Lynne
2005-03-22, 11:54 AM
Sorry Toys, I think I missed it...

SBD > Tascam DA-P1 > DAT > Tascam CD-RW 700 > CD(M) > Exact Audio Copy ( EAC ) > Hard Drive > Easy CD Creator 5 > CD(1)

That's how I would write it. And say that CD(1) was directly from the taper to you.

Five
2005-03-22, 12:02 PM
sorry for the delay, Toys...

The first CDR that appears in the lineage would be CDR(0) or (M). Then your copy that you are going to extract from is CDR(1). It's confusing that he extracted it with EAC then burned an audio cdr it would have been nicer to get a data cdr but we all do what we can. I would write it like this:
SBD > Tascam DA-P1 > DAT(M) > Tascam CD-RW 700 > CDR(0) > EAC > Hard Drive > Easy CD Creator 5 > CD(1)

I would use the (M) for the DAT, then (0) for the first CDR to indicate that it's a clone. Then add what you do at the end, which will probably be > EAC > FLAC

toys
2005-03-22, 12:37 PM
Thanks Lynne and Five!
it would have been nicer to get a data cdr
Yeah I asked him for a data cdr, and he said he didn't know how to make one - only knew how to make audio CDs. I always wondered why I'd see a bunch of mics at a show, but then the show would never show up anywhere. The more tapers I meet though, the more it turns out that many of them simply don't know or care to learn about electronic sharing of their tapes. Their hobby is more for their own enjoyment or making a couple of CDs for close friends. Gotta be millions and millions of shows out there that we'll never see. Guys with thousands of shows taped who don't even have internet access. Ah well.

CitizenGatsby
2005-04-12, 02:39 PM
I'd like to upload a torrent of this White Stripes show here today:

2004-08-01 Fuji Rock Festival, Naeba Ski Resort, Niigata, Japan.

Lineage: DSM6S(L)>PA6LC3B>SONY-PCM-M1>DAT(M)>CDR(0)>EAC(secure mode)>FLAC

I corrected the text file from CDR(1) to CDR(0) because that is the only CDR in the lineage. Is this OK for TTD? :)

RainDawg
2005-04-12, 10:15 PM
I would say the above is absolutely ok for TTD.

CitizenGatsby
2005-04-12, 11:48 PM
I would say the above is absolutely ok for TTD.
Thanks, RainDawg! http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/froehlich/d055.gif

spiritinaphoto
2005-04-14, 06:47 PM
I'm wanting to seed the following Porcupine Tree show here (well, external link actually):

2001-04-28 Centro Sociale Leoncavallo; Milano, Italy

Source: Aud>MD Master>CDR>CDR>EAC>MKWACT>SHN

I'm not quite certain if the CDR>CDR part was a typo or not. I haven't seen this show on too many lists, but the few instances I've seen it show up on someone else's list showed the exact same thing for lineage. It seems like a lot of Porcupine Tree live recordings are plagued by a lack of lineage or less than perfect lineage.

I'm listening through this show right now, and I can assure you it's top notch. Haven't run across any glitches yet, and it passed the SBE check in shntool (and yes, I did generate shntool md5s for it :D).

CitizenGatsby
2005-04-16, 03:43 AM
I have another White Stripes show (2002-10-01 Union Square, New York, NY) I want to seed here soon, but I'm unsure if this lineage OK for TTD. Is it?

Lineage: DSM6>SBM1>D100(DATM)>CDR(2)>SHN


While I'm at it, I'd also like to know if this Led Zeppelin 1971-11-11 source is suitable for seeding here.

Lineage: 1st gen cassette > CDRn > EAC (secure mode, offset corrected) > WAV > Flac Frontend (Level 8)


Thanks in advance! :)

RainDawg
2005-04-16, 09:01 AM
Source: Aud>MD Master>CDR>CDR>EAC>MKWACT>SHN


This looks accecptable to me, though it could be written with CDR(1) instead of CDR>CDR.

RainDawg
2005-04-16, 09:02 AM
I have another White Stripes show (2002-10-01 Union Square, New York, NY) I want to seed here soon, but I'm unsure if this lineage OK for TTD. Is it?

Lineage: DSM6>SBM1>D100(DATM)>CDR(2)>SHN


I would like to know that EAC was used to extract the CDR, so include that if possible. If unknown, then I would say it's ok if CDR(2) > ? extraction method > SHN were included.


While I'm at it, I'd also like to know if this Led Zeppelin 1971-11-11 source is suitable for seeding here.

Lineage: 1st gen cassette > CDRn > EAC (secure mode, offset corrected) > WAV > Flac Frontend (Level 8)


That looks good to me as is.

spiritinaphoto
2005-04-16, 12:13 PM
This looks accecptable to me, though it could be written with CDR(1) instead of CDR>CDR.
Thanks for the help.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the CDR>CDR part.

symon
2005-04-16, 01:11 PM
I have a seeding question.
I'm preparing my next torrent. I have two choices - I can post the raw transfer - which is ok, but the recording is quiet.
For myself, I have amplified the sound in Audacity. This si very crude, but it does bring up the basic volume of the show.

So, should I seed the raw transfer, or the amplified version? Does it really matter? (I guess I am asking which version would match the aims of the site?)

Five
2005-04-16, 01:58 PM
I would seed the amplified version just be positive that no errors such as clipping have been introduced. If there's a huge "clunk" at the end of the recording introduced by stopping the recorder then imo it might be better to lop that off especially if it's 20 times louder than the show. The main things to stay away from are eq, nr and the like. Once this transfer which is (?99%) raw has circulated and in safe hands then you might want to consider releasing a mastered version to the masses.

CitizenGatsby
2005-04-16, 02:21 PM
I would like to know that EAC was used to extract the CDR, so include that if possible. If unknown, then I would say it's ok if CDR(2) > ? extraction method > SHN were included.
Do you mean if I included "? extraction method" in the lineage of my seed it would OK?

Thank you, RainDawg! :D

symon
2005-04-16, 03:23 PM
I would seed the amplified version just be positive that no errors such as clipping have been introduced. If there's a huge "clunk" at the end of the recording introduced by stopping the recorder then imo it might be better to lop that off especially if it's 20 times louder than the show. The main things to stay away from are eq, nr and the like. Once this transfer which is (?99%) raw has circulated and in safe hands then you might want to consider releasing a mastered version to the masses.

Yes, there will be a certain amount of chopping away unwanted bits of 'tape' anyway. The problem I have found is that the audience applauce registers quite loudly - louder than the music. So, the amplifying has been done on a sort of track-by-track basis and isn't very smooth. Also, amplifying the sound has increased the level of audible hiss (I think).
As I am relatively new to all this I didn't know if it mattered whether what I released was the closest I could get to what I recorded - or whether it is alright to do some minor work to 'improve' the recording.
As I said, the main worry is that the amplifying process in my hands is a crude one.
I do not intend to remaster the show - I'm just trying to bring it to a state that I find makes it easier for me to listen to it. I have to admit, I would prefer not to do anything - but the recording is too quiet for that.

Stutes
2005-04-21, 05:29 PM
I was considering seedingn a Zeppelin show, and I wondered if it would be alright to seed a homegrown version of 2.8.75 Philadelphia. I merged a 1st gen tape and a 2nd gen tape with Audacity to fill in several cuts and dropouts. As far as I know, this has been the only attempt to do so other than a shitty, over EQ'd bootleg. I made no alterations to the source other than crossfading tape patches.

U2Lynne
2005-04-21, 05:54 PM
All you need to do is document what you did. Your lineage/source information would look something like this (fill in as much info as possible):

Source one: aud > ? unknown equipment and transfer > 1st gen tape > transfer method to PC > wav
Source two: aud > ? unknown equipment and transfer > 2nd gen tape > transfer method to PC > wav
Mix: wav from Source one and Source two then blended using Audacity to fill in several cuts and dropouts

Stutes
2005-04-21, 07:16 PM
All you need to do is document what you did. Your lineage/source information would look something like this (fill in as much info as possible):

Source one: aud > ? unknown equipment and transfer > 1st gen tape > transfer method to PC > wav
Source two: aud > ? unknown equipment and transfer > 2nd gen tape > transfer method to PC > wav
Mix: wav from Source one and Source two then blended using Audacity to fill in several cuts and dropouts

And what if I don't have all that info? These tapes transfers came back from STG, and the original seeder's notes only indicate 1st gen>CD-R(x)>EAC>etc.

It seems to fall under some gray area:
Aud 1st Gen > cdx > shn:
Again, this depends..... if it is a CDR(x), we want to know that there isn't a better, known generation show already circulating. This also depends on the year of the show, so i can't give a real definite answer on this one.

U2Lynne
2005-04-21, 07:51 PM
The for Source one, write:

Source one: aud > ? unknown equipment and transfer > 1st gen tape > CD-R(x) > EAC > etc.*
*originally torrented at STG

And something similar for the second source.

We just like you to list what you *do* know and put a '?' where you don't know something.

Since this is an older show, we understand that getting CD-R(M) or (1) or (known) is just not always realistic, so we want to see that (x) or (unknown) in there just so people know what they are getting. It also sometimes doesn't hurt to do a quick check on some sites to see if there is a better source out there, but, like I said, with these older shows it is just hard to know.

Evan657
2005-05-13, 12:23 PM
i am working on puting together a dvd seed and when i make the md5 hash. then put the md5summer file in the sub folder im getting an error when i verify. that the files dont exist. now i have downloaded a jgb show and the md5 verifed. so i dont know what is going on. the md5 files do verify when they are in the vts_video folder.

U2Lynne
2005-05-13, 11:20 PM
Evan, they don't work when you move them out of the VIDEO_TS folder (or wherever) because then the path is wrong. You need to either create it so that it does an md5 of the contents of the VIDEO_TS folder and the md5 is placed right outside of the VIDEO_TS folder but in the seeding folder (preferred) or you need to just leave the md5 in the VIDEO_TS folder and make sure to specify in your text file that the md5 is in that folder and they need to remove it before burning the DVD.

BigBoyPete
2005-05-20, 06:08 PM
Sorry folks. Got a great show by The Magic Band but I can't figure out this business with the announceing URL. Where do I put that. When I try uploading the Torrent File it keeps telling me that I have to use the announce URL. Where? :hmm:

U2Lynne
2005-05-20, 08:09 PM
When you make the .torrent file, the application will ask you for an announce url. All the sites have different announce urls, our is posted at the top of the ABT and VBT forum (and on the upload page). If you have a space after the announce url, the torrent file will be made incorrectly.

blackknife
2005-07-05, 07:31 PM
I'm seeding a show now...why doesn't it show under my username?
it shows in the peers detail for the show so I know it's seeding...no biggie, just curious
blackknife
(0.00 KB/0.00 KB/---)

U2Lynne
2005-07-05, 07:42 PM
The best place to post about your ratio/stats is in the New Tracker Now Online thread. You should look through that thread since there is a bit of info in there. But, anyway, you need to hit Cancel/Stop in order for your stats to update. And, unfortunately, there are some clients that just don't communicate correctly with the tracker, so it just doesn't update.

jobats
2005-07-15, 02:13 AM
Is this kind of lineage okay here for posting,

Sony TCD-D100 48khz > goldwave > eq > Cd WAV Editor > FLAC

Thanks

U2Lynne
2005-07-15, 07:08 PM
a DAT player where the show is then equilized and then split into tracks and flaced? I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't be allowed.

Cool shades. :D

Five
2005-07-15, 07:24 PM
the eq'ing was probably done in goldwave and it would also need to be downsampled to 44.1kHz in order to burn an audio cdr ... we don't have a specific rule against 48kHz flac sets, tho. seed it up anytime.

jobats
2005-07-17, 10:20 PM
Thanks for your kindness, maybe a couple of weeks, Im gonna post one of the PW 2005 shows.

vortex242
2005-07-18, 02:41 PM
Maybe I'm gettin' blind..
but I can't find any link to upload a torrent on Trader's Den!? :hmm:
I guess I need some light to find it!

U2Lynne
2005-07-18, 02:46 PM
Go to the ABT or VBT forum and hit the New Thread button. It will take you to the upload page.

(I should ask Brian to make it into an Upload Torrent button!)

Ted
2005-07-18, 03:01 PM
It already says "Upload Torrent". Is it possible it was just changed?

U2Lynne
2005-07-18, 03:06 PM
Ted, are we seeing different things here? :hmm:

Ted
2005-07-18, 03:30 PM
Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the button on the bottom of the page.

You want me to change it?

ilonarose
2005-07-26, 12:30 AM
Here is my ? I have an excellent recording to seed, here is the lineage:

Source: dSBD > DAT > dEDIT (level adjustment only) > mkwACT > .shn

Here is the question, I have the text file, I have the MD5's, but no fingerprints. When I copy the MD5's I cant paste them on the thread upload form. If I click on them, they just verify the files and it is all OK. How can I post this thread w/o that info?

ilonarose
2005-07-27, 12:24 AM
I have a new question...I belong to quite a few Pearl Jam 'clubs & boards' and over the years, I have gotten many bootlegs, some downloaded, some snail mail trades, some I bought, etc. The ?... Me and Jeff went to the GroundWork benefit in Seattle in Oct. 2001, it was fab. On some board, we talked about it and someone sent me the SBD flac of the Pearl Jam and REM portion of the show. I dont remember who sent it. It is incredible. I have the original files, the MD5's, I even have the jpg's for covers and cd lables...but no where do i have the correct lineage. I spent several hours looking on all the PJ sites I belong to and no where can I find the lineage. This is what it says on what I have:

PJ/REM Digital Mixing and Remastering: (undisclosed)
Artwork: (undisclosed)

I uploaded that PJ MTV show and it got me going thru my files... I have many dozens of shows and this is a great one. We listened to it tonight and remembered what a wild time we had there. I really would love to share this show since it seems there are some PJ fans here. The REM portion is really great too. (I also love them, that was the reason for the trip to Seattle, PJ and REM, wow !)

Please tell me how I can do this or if I can w/o the lineage.

Thanks....Rose

U2Lynne
2005-07-27, 11:06 AM
So, you got these as flac files a few years ago and there is no information whatsoever about the original source? You just know it is a soundboard - and it appears that there was some remastering of it involved... So, it's something like this, perhaps?

sbd > unknown capture > unknown transfer > digital mixing and remastering > flac

spiritinaphoto
2005-08-16, 06:01 PM
I've got two Kate Bush shows I want to seed here. The lineage looks like this:

AUD > cass [unknown gen] > WAV > FLAC

I have no idea what was done to transfer the cassette to WAV, or which program did the FLAC conversion, so what modifications do I need to do to this lineage?

U2Lynne
2005-08-16, 06:13 PM
Sara, you would write it something like this:

AUD > cass [unknown gen] > ?? [unknown conversion] > WAV > FLAC

We aren't so picky on what program converted it from wav to flac, but if a show goes from CDR to wav, we do like to know what program is used since EAC is the one that is considered to be the most accurate.

spiritinaphoto
2005-08-16, 06:25 PM
Sara, you would write it something like this:

AUD > cass [unknown gen] > ?? [unknown conversion] > WAV > FLAC

We aren't so picky on what program converted it from wav to flac, but if a show goes from CDR to wav, we do like to know what program is used since EAC is the one that is considered to be the most accurate.
From what I understand, the transfer was done directly off the cassettes--no CD-R or EAC involved.

Billster
2005-08-26, 09:45 AM
I have a question...and the answer may be found somewhere, but I couldn't find it with search, and I believe I'm at least in the right forum and thread, so hopefully the flames won't be too hot :)

Is there a list/link somewhere of artists the Den won't allow to be torrented due to the artist's express wishes?

I remember some torrents have been pulled and the moderators explained that it was against the artists' specific request to the Den.

So I'm wondering if there is a master list or link to it that contains all these so one knows what to avoid.

U2Lynne
2005-08-26, 10:49 AM
Yes, there is a link. It's called the Band Restriction Policy (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_band_restriction) and it is linked in the FAQ drop-down.

Billster
2005-08-26, 11:35 AM
Perfect, Lynne, thanks.

BuddyGoodness
2005-08-31, 03:48 PM
I received a Type O Negative DVD in the mail from someone here on the Forums. He gave it to me in responce to my request if there were any type o concert videos floating around anywhere. He said he couldn't seed it so he sent it to me to post so the other people on the forums who requested it could also get it. It is from 1999, it was a performance for the Bizzare fest and it looks like it was transfered from a VHS tape. I looks like it was a broadcast from a European TV channel. I do not know the lineage or if it is lossy or lessless. I want to post it so other fans can get it. Is there anyway to find out the lineage (I sent a PM to the guy who sent it but it has been a while and no reply) or can anyone tell me?

spiritinaphoto
2005-09-19, 04:41 PM
Ahoy mateys! This salty seadog needs to find out if this show is okay to seed here:

Porcupine Tree 2002-11-03 (http://db.etree.org/myshows_detail.php?showid=5063499)
lineage: Sennheiser Mics (custom-made) > Sony WM-D6C > ? > SHN

I have no idea how the show got from cassette to Shorten, but it's a fine show. I'm already disappointed that the lovely Seattle show I wanted to seed (08/03/2003) has no source info at all, which is a real shame (it's the show where Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth guests on lead vocals for "A Smart Kid"). The sad thing is that most PT shows lack source info (up until the recent tour).

If this one isn't okay, I'll seed the following, because it's lineage is nice and complete: http://db.etree.org/myshows_detail.php?showid=4810799

Black Dog
2005-09-19, 08:25 PM
This show was given to me by a friend. It came on a CD-R DATA Disk. The disk contained a folder with the VIDEO TS file and this text file. I burned it with nero and it looks/sounds great. I ran it through gspot, but I can't seem to find all the info.

Velvet Revolver
2005-06-11
Donington Castle, Eng.
Proshot dvd
The original footage was a squeezed 4:3 with no chapter stops.
I loaded it into Adobe DVD Encore and changed it 16:9 and
added chapter stops.
Video bitrate ???
Audio codec: DOLBY_AC3
Audio bitrate ???
NTSC - 16:9 - Dolby Digital stereo
setlist:
1)Intro
2)Sucker Train Blues
3)Do it For The Kids
4)Headspace
5)Superhuman
6)Fall To Pieces
7)Dirty Little Thing
8)Big Machine
9)It's So Easy
10)Sex Type Thing
11)Set Me Free
12)Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd cover)
13)Mr. Brownstone
14)Slither
one caveat...
There is a running time code at the top of the picture.
Here is a screen shot of gspot:

Any ideas/help/info would be appreciated:)

U2Lynne
2005-09-20, 11:15 PM
Sarah,

Porcupine Tree 2002-11-03
lineage: Sennheiser Mics (custom-made) > Sony WM-D6C > ? > SHN

That looks fine, but I would say you received it in shn format and that you've listened to it and it's fine (I'll assume that from your post).

Second show looks fine, too.

Black Dog:

You've got my baffled. I'm a Mac user but I am familiar with GSpot, but I've never seen a response like that. Can you PM outpostnorth about this? He would know the answer.

Distopian_Dreamer
2005-10-05, 08:03 PM
Sorry if this has been answered before, but I'm trying to seed a show but my torrent is stuck at 99.9%. Apparently the info and flac fingerprint text files aren't being uploaded. Argh...I'm not sure how to fix this...

rockthing
2005-10-12, 10:18 AM
Hello everyone,

Lot of great shows here.

I have a question about seeding, but its more of a technical question which may be better
asked in the technowhateveryoucallit forum :)
, but I'll post the general idea here and go into
detail once I know where I should be.

I just today made some flac files and downloaded Azureus.
I wanna try seeding something from my home server
I'm just doing this as a test, kind of.
I wanna try this out with a few friends before I make my debut at TTD. :)

Basically I just need to know everything. :lol:

All of the FAQs I've seen have been very helpful up to a certain point, but
don't really explain much about serving the seeds.... if that is even what you call it.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to have a look around here
and maybe I'll find some answers
in unlikely places.

Thanks a lot for any tips.

rockthing
2005-10-14, 03:22 PM
Ok, double post, but,
I've figured some stuff out.

I'm looking for a command line bittorrent server
that I can run on a linux box with no graphics.

anyway, I downloaded the rpm from the bittorrent site, but
haven't had a chance to spend any time seeing how to start it up
without a ui. Once I get that going I think it's going to be a lot easier than I thought.

I guess it doesn't make much sense to set up a bittorrent server
just for a small community of friends, but I think it would be fun thing to do
to get my feet wet until I have more legit things to share.
I'm thinking it also may be a bandwidth friendly way of sharing audio files for
a long distance recording project....

I know, this isn't the space for member introductions, sorry, I'll finish up now.

Mspacman14
2005-10-28, 02:33 PM
<---- super n00b.

What does it mean to seed? What does it mean to leech?

Five
2005-10-30, 01:19 PM
at the top there's a link to the TTD FAQ, you can find lots of info there...

seeding is when one person puts files on the internet for many ppl to download via bittorrent

leeching is when you're one of the downloaders

Topcat
2005-11-05, 09:55 AM
Hey Now Everybody......Hi!

I've got a ton of video that i want to seed from 25 year collection.

Just can't quite get it right........

I think i'm not doing the checksum right or it's the way that i set up the files.

I really want to get my ratio up and not be a big leech :)


Peace Topcat

U2Lynne
2005-11-05, 10:19 AM
Have you looked at both the VBT Seeding Policy (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_videorules) and the VBT Seeding Guide (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=videorules#faq_videoguide)? The Seeding Guide has pictures to help show how to set up the folder and the Policy has a short blurb on making fingerprints of the VIDEO_TS folder.

Topcat
2005-11-05, 02:49 PM
Have you looked at both the VBT Seeding Policy (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_videorules) and the VBT Seeding Guide (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=videorules#faq_videoguide)? The Seeding Guide has pictures to help show how to set up the folder and the Policy has a short blurb on making fingerprints of the VIDEO_TS folder.
Yes, i have done studied those and have tried several times to upload a screen shot of the Dead 6-6-92 set II. I think it is the md5summer part that i am doing wrong.......

Is that a good show to seed?

I will keep trying......

I have uploaded several gig from the bt's that i've grabbed but it does not show up in my stat's.
Sure would love to share this video i got...

Peace

U2Lynne
2005-11-05, 05:15 PM
Yes, i have done studied those and have tried several times to upload a screen shot of the Dead 6-6-92 set II. I think it is the md5summer part that i am doing wrong.......
I'm a bit baffled about this. You mean you want to add a screenshot to the thread? Or in with the torrent files?

As for using md5summer to make the checksums, you can post in Technobabble for help with md5summer. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with it. I'm on a Mac and so I use xACT, which isn't available on a PC.

Regarding stats.... if you were uploading for a show that was on the old tracker (all shows posted prior to July 2), then your stats will not change at all.

TheMamba
2005-11-05, 05:19 PM
Yes, i have done studied those and have tried several times to upload a screen shot of the Dead 6-6-92 set II. I think it is the md5summer part that i am doing wrong.......

Is that a good show to seed?

I will keep trying......

I have uploaded several gig from the bt's that i've grabbed but it does not show up in my stat's.
Sure would love to share this video i got...

Peace


Open up MDsummer.

Point it at the video you're trying to make the MD5 for.

Hit Create Sums.

Select All -> Add

OK

Topcat
2005-11-06, 06:22 PM
The vid is a audience shot of the venue screen...........

I've run the checksummer and did exactly what you said and it looked like i was ready to go.....

If i look at the cs file it starts running and making sums again....

I will try and upload the file in a little bit......

Once i get the hang of it i will share a lot....was trading vid with Greyful Dave
10 years ago.......

Peace

sadu
2005-11-09, 08:17 PM
I just got a show on DVD in DATA form.

It came with a text file saying "lineage: my silver"

That can't be right unless he had it stored in data too. Should it read "my silver -> DVD Decrypter

Let me know it's Stones_03_30_98ntsc(5.1 and 2.0)

Thanks a lot

U2Lynne
2005-11-10, 09:31 AM
Yeah, he should have written my silver -> DVD Decrypter (or whatever software he used), but some people aren't complete when they write out their lineage.

Five
2005-11-10, 10:11 AM
I just got a show on DVD in DATA form.

It came with a text file saying "lineage: my silver"

That can't be right unless he had it stored in data too. Should it read "my silver -> DVD Decrypter

Let me know it's Stones_03_30_98ntsc(5.1 and 2.0)

Thanks a lot
a lot of dvds can be "extracted" simply by copying the VIDEO_TS folder to the HD. There's only a problem if there's copyright stuff on the disc. So this might be how he copied it.

toys
2005-11-23, 02:17 PM
Got a show from a taper who provided me his mic info (Nakamichi CM-701's)and recording device (Sony d7). Told him that I wanted to torrent the show, and needed to know how it got from his Sony D7 onto the CD he sent me. Asked him to fill in the ?? portion of this lineage -

Nakamichi CM-701's>Sony D7>??>CDR>EAC>WAV>Flac Frontend>FLAC

Got this reply - "I dubbed the Mofro show directly from the Sony D7 Dat recorder to an HHB CDR830. then copied it for you on my computers'drive(HG-DTST CD-RW GCE 8483B) and onto Iomega CDRW6402 EXT-B."

Not exactly sure what I should put as the lineage, or if I need more info from the taper (who has told me this is all the info he can give me).

Five
2005-11-23, 03:50 PM
well he's giving all kinds of cd drive info but what's really important is the sound card. from this info we can gather that the cdr in the lineage is cdr(0) which helps a little.

toys
2005-11-23, 03:57 PM
we can gather that the cdr in the lineage is cdr(0)
As is everything I've torrented here :cool:

I'll ask him what sound card he's got - is that the only other thing we need?

Five
2005-11-23, 04:08 PM
you could also ask which software he used to burn your audio cdr (maybe nero?) and you could note beside eac whether your offsets are corrected and which mode (secure or paranoid, but not burst!). also very nice to include the eac .log if you created one.

toys
2005-11-23, 04:14 PM
gotcha

Black Dog
2005-12-08, 08:33 AM
I was given this SRV show recently by a trader as he was archiving all his CDR’s to DVD. It is his original copy. I have a couple of questions.




The text below is the enclosed info file. I’m not sure how to decipher the lineage. Is this a copy of a pressed CD?
I searched the audio BT forum here and didn’t see this show listed. Is this the best source for this show? If I can figure the lineage out I would like to seed it here at TTD.
Thanks, Blackdog

Info file:

Ripped from original silver cd* via eac>(dbpoweramp)flac.
The notes at willmot show the cd as a cdr, yet the pressing I had,
and ripped this from was indeed a factory silver cd, not a cdr.
Info below from willmot SRV website:
http://willmot.com/SRV/CD/59_fender_stratocaster.html

'59 Fender Stratocaster - various locations
[no label indicated] (1999) (16 tracks, 74:05) (CD-R format)
CBS Record Convention, Honolulu, HI 19mar84 (tracks 1-4)
w/ Jeff Beck, Angela Strehli (vocals) and Jimmie Vaughan
Apollo Theater, Manchester, England 22jun88 (tracks 5-9)
Reading Rock Festival, England 27aug83 (tracks 6-13)
<track#/title> <time> <notes>
1> T. Bone Shuffle 3:57 "Wham" w/Jeff Beck
2> Texas Blues 2:26 "Hawaiian Eye" (TV Theme) w/ J Beck
3> Last Call 3:28 "Lost Cause" w/ J Beck, A Strehli, J Vaughan
4> Beck's Boogie 4:59 "Jeff's Boogie" w/ J Beck
5> Tell me 2:50
6> I'm Leaving You (Commit A Crime) 5:42
7> Pride and Joy 5:06
8> Texas Flood 7:03
9> Love Struck Baby 3:59
10> Scuttlebuttin' 4:34 "Testify"
11> Testify 5:30 "So Excited"
12> Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) 7:35
13> Pride and Joy 4:35
14> Mary Had A Little Lamb 3:29
15> Love Struck Baby 3:06
16> Texas Flood 5:47

U2Lynne
2005-12-08, 10:15 AM
* The text below is the enclosed info file. I’m not sure how to decipher the lineage. Is this a copy of a pressed CD?
From the original seeder notes, it looks like this is from the original factory pressed CD. It doesn't say the label, but it could be one that just presses to CD-R, not silvers. I'm that familar with that and don't know much about which labels do this or not. Maybe send Five a PM about it. He may know.

* I searched the audio BT forum here and didn’t see this show listed. Is this the best source for this show? If I can figure the lineage out I would like to seed it here at TTD.
If there is a factory pressed CD (silver or CD-R) and EAC was used to extract the files, then that is the best version from that source. (Now, whether it is the best *source*, I don't know. There could be some awesome recording done by someone else that is being hoarded somewhere. ;))

Five
2005-12-08, 11:54 AM
:wave:

you can seed it with the info as-is. I you could write it like this:

Silver > EAC > FLAC

but the way the info is written

Ripped from original silver cd* via eac>(dbpoweramp)flac.
The notes at willmot show the cd as a cdr, yet the pressing I had,
and ripped this from was indeed a factory silver cd, not a cdr.

is even more detailed and better.

I know there's a couple serious SRV guys over at royal-orleans.com so I started a thread to ask if they knew of any better source for these recordings. It is always a good idea to do this kind of research before seeding!

I'll post back and let you know what comes of it (or if you're a member at r-o you can follow the thread I started over there in the Friends forum).

Black Dog
2005-12-08, 04:54 PM
Thanks!....I'll check back in the morning when I get home from work!

PEACE.........Blackdog:D

Five
2005-12-09, 04:40 PM
no reponse yet... :(

we can give it a little time or if you're itching to seed go for it.

its just a drag when a show gets seeded and somebody posts in the thread, you're expecting to see something like "wow thanks, I saw this show and have been looking for it for 20 years!" and instead see "this is an inferior source"

Black Dog
2005-12-09, 08:16 PM
No hurry!..I'm still reviewing the tutorial in BitComet on "How to make a torrent". This is the first time I've done this and I'd rather take my time and double check myself than have mistakes later..........Thanks for helping :D

Oh........and thanks for the Metallica! :tunes:

spiritinaphoto
2005-12-11, 09:31 PM
Hi there--this question is about the first in a series of fairly low circulation Porcupine Tree shows I'd like to seed. My question is whether or not it would be acceptable for me to mention the mics and rig in the lineage information I provide if I'm not 100% certain that's the exact source (I'd say I'm about 95% certain of the mics and rig used, since there isn't another documented source in circulation of the show in question).

Here's the show I want to seed: http://db.etree.org/myshows_detail.php?showid=5886428

The part of the lineage I am certain of would be the following, and yes, I do have the EAC log files (okay, I don't know which program he used for the FLAC encoding--I think he used TLH, but I don't want to guess):
CD-R [x] > EAC > WAV > FLAC

So would it be acceptable for me to mention the 'Aiwa CM-DS6 > Sony WM-D3' part in the lineage?

I suppose this question more or less applies to the other shows I got in this trade. Quite a few of the shows were extracted from audio CD-Rs like the one in question (so they'd have the same bit of known lineage), but a couple are FLAC filesets that don't have a CD-R generation, yet the source is a best guess. Would those shows be acceptable, or am I going to have to seed those ones at DIME?


I'd like to seed as many of these shows over here as possible, since these shows have the potential to draw many PT traders to this site--this series of seeds I've promised to do has caused a fair amount of anticipation.

Five
2005-12-11, 11:08 PM
Sarah,

you could also mention beside EAC which mode you used and whether you have corrected your offsets (great tutorial for this in my signature). for example, if you were using secure mode with offsets corrected (ideal) then you could put EAC (secure, offsets corrected). this will also show in the log, off course so either way is fine. For the mics you have done your research and are 95% sure, so you could put in the lineage the mics and recorder with "(see notes below)" (no quotes) and put in the notes that you are 95% sure and the link etc. with cdr(x) it is also important to have a careful listen to the tracks for digital flaws, but seeing that you are such a big fan of this band I'm sure you've done this already.

it is uncertain whether your source has been re-flac'ed (i.e. FLAC > CDR > FLAC) but seeing as these shows are very rare, have never been seeded here before and are of semi-unknown origina I would say they are alright to seed here. even the source at etree has some ? in the lineage so for all we know your source might even be cleaner.

No hurry!..I'm still reviewing the tutorial in BitComet on "How to make a torrent". This is the first time I've done this and I'd rather take my time and double check myself than have mistakes later..........Thanks for helping :D

Oh........and thanks for the Metallica! :tunes:
you're welcome for everything

I will keep you posted concerning the srv boot... nobody has replied in the r-o thread still if/when they do I will post here & pm you to let you know.

-Jamie

Black Dog
2005-12-29, 08:24 PM
no reponse yet... :(

we can give it a little time or if you're itching to seed go for it.

its just a drag when a show gets seeded and somebody posts in the thread, you're expecting to see something like "wow thanks, I saw this show and have been looking for it for 20 years!" and instead see "this is an inferior source"

Heard anything yet?......:question:

lostboy
2006-02-11, 10:08 PM
So, I have a Shannon Curfman show (probably from STG) that I wanted to put up. The info file has this:

SHN Lossless Format
Digital Recording on Sony D8 DAT
Digital Transfer to CD-DA Audio Only Discs
On A Pioneer PDR555-RW Stand Alone Burner

So, would that be:
Lineage: Sony D8 DAT > Pioneer PDR555-RW > CD > ? > SHN

AAR.oner
2006-02-12, 08:12 AM
So, I have a Shannon Curfman show (probably from STG) that I wanted to put up. The info file has this:

SHN Lossless Format
Digital Recording on Sony D8 DAT
Digital Transfer to CD-DA Audio Only Discs
On A Pioneer PDR555-RW Stand Alone Burner

So, would that be:
Lineage: Sony D8 DAT > Pioneer PDR555-RW > CD > ? > SHN
yup...but maybe add CDR(0) instead of just CD, since it was a master transfer

lostboy
2006-02-12, 09:32 AM
Thanks Aaron!

Sugarkane
2006-02-13, 11:14 AM
ok, this lineage stuff is very confusing to me. Are any of these legal?:

SDB > DENON DTR 100P > M. PEMBERTON DAT MASTER >
M. WINFREE DAT CLONE > M. WINFREE DAT CLONE >
HHB STAND ALONE BURNER > R. MCDANIEL CDR > EAC > MKW SHN

Source: Soundboard > Sony TCD-D3
Transfer: DAT (master) > Sony stand-alone burner > CD-R (master) > CD-R (1) > CD-R (2) > EAC v0.95b3 (secure) > FLAC Frontend 1.7.1 (level 8)

Sony ECM-DS70P > Sony WM-D6C > cassette (master) > Philips stand-alone audio burner > CD-R (master) > CD-R (1) > CD-R (2) > EAC v0.95b3 (secure) > FLAC Frontend 1.7.1 (level 8)

SONIC STUDIOS MICS > SONY TCD-D8 > J.W. DAT MASTER > M.W. DAT CLONE > HHB STAND ALONE BURNER > CDR > EAC WAV > MKW SHN

Source: Earthworks SR71's > Graham Patton DMIC20 > Sony M-1
Transfer: DAT > PC (via Sony Digital-Optical Cable) >
Soundforge > CD Architect > CDRs > EAC (copy and
test tracks) > shn

Source: Earthworks SR71's > DMic20 > Tascam DA-P1
Transfer: ??? > CD Trade (Nov 2005) > EAC > FlacFrontEnd (Level 8)


I'm sorry if this is really annoying. I suck at computers.

greenheatherc
2006-02-13, 12:11 PM
ok, this lineage stuff is very confusing to me. Are any of these legal?:

SDB > DENON DTR 100P > M. PEMBERTON DAT MASTER >
M. WINFREE DAT CLONE > M. WINFREE DAT CLONE >
HHB STAND ALONE BURNER > R. MCDANIEL CDR > EAC > MKW SHN

This looks fine. In fact, it's kinda nice that they've included the names of everyone's DAT copies so that you know exactly where this source came from. I might lable the R. MCDANIEL CDR as a CDR(0) but that's just getting picky.

Source: Soundboard > Sony TCD-D3
Transfer: DAT (master) > Sony stand-alone burner > CD-R (master) > CD-R (1) > CD-R (2) > EAC v0.95b3 (secure) > FLAC Frontend 1.7.1 (level 8)

This also looks fine as long as there are no copies of the show circulating that are closer to the original source such as from the DAT or CDR masters. Also, if you wanted to you could put ? between CD-R (1) > CD-R (2) just to indicate that you are not sure what was used to burn the discs.

Sony ECM-DS70P > Sony WM-D6C > cassette (master) > Philips stand-alone audio burner > CD-R (master) > CD-R (1) > CD-R (2) > EAC v0.95b3 (secure) > FLAC Frontend 1.7.1 (level 8))

Same as number two.

SONIC STUDIOS MICS > SONY TCD-D8 > J.W. DAT MASTER > M.W. DAT CLONE > HHB STAND ALONE BURNER > CDR > EAC WAV > MKW SHN)

Same as the first one.

Source: Earthworks SR71's > Graham Patton DMIC20 > Sony M-1
Transfer: DAT > PC (via Sony Digital-Optical Cable) > Soundforge > CD Architect > CDRs > EAC (copy and test tracks) > shn

This looks fine but the I would do a bit of research. CD Architect > CDRs > EAC.....is that s after CDRs a typo? Does that mean that there are multiple CDR copies there? If so then it should read CD Architect > CDR(0) > ? > CDR(x) > EAC. If, not it should just read CD Architect > CDR (0) > EAC

Source: Earthworks SR71's > DMic20 > Tascam DA-P1
Transfer: ??? > CD Trade (Nov 2005) > EAC > FlacFrontEnd (Level 8

This is also fine. I would chage CD Trade (Nov 2005) to CDR(x)

I'm sorry if this is really annoying. I suck at computers.
The issue with TTD is not that you need a master source, just annotate as much info as you can so that we know whether it's the best source possible.

AAR.oner
2006-02-13, 12:21 PM
the issue with TTD is that we're simply superior...nuff said :D

Sugarkane
2006-02-13, 06:28 PM
i mean, I like the strictness cuz i can get quality stuff, i just don't know this type of stuff very well. My expertise is music, not technology. Now I'm gonna have to seed some shows.

STLBlues
2006-03-05, 04:17 PM
I've got a question for the mods....

Whether you're familiar w/ this show doesn't matter I guess.....there is a famous CD called "Friday Night In San Francisco" by Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin & Paco De Lucia. I have the pro-shot video of this show which has never been released. The video is over 2 hours long, but 4 of the songs on the CD are from the same show. The audio CD that's officially available is slightly different (sound wise) to the video. I can definitely tell it was "doctored up." But they are essentially the same. So I'm pretty much 100% certain TTD wouldn't allow it (unless those songs were edited out, which I won't do).

So....if I hosted the DVD on a private tracker, could I post an external link to TTD? Thanks!

boymacwerter
2006-03-06, 06:47 PM
I have just started using BitTorrent and did not understand how it all works. I closed the torrents when they were complete and now every time I try to download a torrent I get this message

Aborting the torrent as it was rejected by the tracker while not connected to any peers. Message from the tracker: share ratio violation; please raise your share ratio up to 0.25 first

So how do I get the Torrents I have already downloaded back on to the thing so I can seed them and subsequently get my share ratio back up to continue downloading and then seeding?

U2Lynne
2006-03-06, 07:24 PM
boymacwerter, you are mistaken. That is not a message for our site since we don't enforce a share ratio here. But, if you want to reseed a show you already finished downloading, you would simply put the torrent file back into your bt client and point it to the folder that has all the files you downloaded. It should verify the files and then start seeding.

STLBBlues, if a show can't be listed on our tracker due to some posting rule that may be broken, then we can't allow external links to it either. That being said, I'm not so sure your DVD would not be allowed on this tracker (or as an external one). We have allowed other shows up where there is an official release available and then there is the one being torrented (where the torrented one is just slightly different - like the official release had part of the track cut out, that sort of thing). Five would remember what they are since they were bands he is more into that I. You might send him the info and see what he says about it being allowed. (Or you can send me a PM and I can ask Staff.)

guygee
2006-03-10, 12:30 AM
Question: Are widely circulated trees considered "sources"?

I originally PM'd a mod on this question, but then I noticed this thread and thought It would be better to get a public response.

In listing lineages when seeding widely circulated trees (say, from Hempsall, Dylantree, the late milesdavis.org, etc) is it OK just to list the tree as the source?

For example, say I was considering seeding a Neil Young show from a Hempsall tree. Also assume I was on the shn branch of the tree. In listing the lineage can I just say something like:
ny1976-03-04 (Hempsall) >shn
(?)

In this case,the source is actually two different boots that were spliced and normalized, with some other changes made as well, to make a complete show. So it is not either boot, it is would seem to be a new "source" (in the loose sense). Details are included in the info file, and they included EAC logs (apparently just for final remastered CD, though, not for the original source boots).


So can I list the Hempsall tree source to be "The Source". (after all, if somebody lists a Silver Boot>EAC (Secure mode)>wav>flac or something, we still don't know the lineage back to the original taper source).

Or would seeding this show at all somehow break Rule 5 of the Audio BitTorrent Seeding Policy.

Please advise.

Thanks!

U2Lynne
2006-03-10, 10:08 AM
I would list where you got the show, but I would also list the other info you have about the show in the thread.

Source 1: aud > ?? > CDR(M?) > wav
Source 2: aud > ?? > CDR(M?) > wav

Source 1 and Source 2 'merged' (matrixed, whatever) together > normalizing and xxx changes made > shn > to me and now to you

Something like that. I would try to put any information you have about the source/lineage in the thread so people can see what they are getting. But, also feel free to list the tree name (sorry, I'm not familiar with these trees, but I'm sure the names will mean something to someone :)).

guygee
2006-03-10, 11:31 AM
Lynn - Following your template above, and using the ny1976-03-04 hempsall tree as an example, from their notes and my own listening I would get something like this for the lineage:

From hempsall 8/8/05 tree (shn branch)

Source 1:
aud>?>"Another Osaka"(bootleg)>?>(amplified, normalized)>?>hempsall CRr(M)>EAC>wav>shn

Source 2:
aud>?>"Dancing Across The Water"(bootleg)>?>(amplified, normalized, edited)>?>hempsall CDr(M)>EAC>wav>shn

Source 1 was the superior source, a very good aud, a bit bright but with good stereo seperation and less crowd noise distraction

Source 2 is more bass heavy and muffled, with more talking and other crowd noise, fair/good to my ears.

Source 1 used from 0:34 of track 3 to the end of track 9
Source 2 used for remainder.

Source transition in track 3 volume matched, but still rather abrubt due to differences in quality.

Lynne, so just to clarify, is the above lineage legal for The Trader's Den, or does this violate Rule 5?

(As an aside, in the Neil Young trading community, hempsall trees are well-known and get widely circulated. I would like to seed it here, since the st5s would be archived, and also as a "tribute" to the latest Neil Young seeder here).

Thanks!
-Guy

guygee
2006-03-10, 12:18 PM
Sorry for the typos above, but I think you can gather the gist of my dilemma.
(any chance that 10-minute edit rule could be relaxed in 'non-controversial" forums?)

U2Lynne
2006-03-10, 12:28 PM
Your lineage sounds fine. It's basically a remaster (kinda) of the Silver CDs and then put together to provide a complete show.

zosa
2006-03-16, 09:31 AM
I just realized that this is the place to ask this question...

I'd like to seed the Genesis Hogweed remasters here. The Project details are here:
http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/Hogweed.html

The details for the first release are here:
http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/hogweed/HW01.html

I will clearly provide these links and the text in the thread but I am not sure how to detail the lineage. I think the lineage for HW01 would look someting like this (gleaned from the text):
Aud>?>2nd Gen Cassette Tape>Akai GXC 570>Audiomedia III on a Macintosh w/ProTools>SHN

is that aceptable? should I try to detail the noise reduction and filtering in this line or is the link to the restoration page enough? Thanks.

U2Lynne
2006-03-16, 09:47 AM
I just realized that this is the place to ask this question...

I'd like to seed the Genesis Hogweed remasters here. The Project details are here:
http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/Hogweed.html

The details for the first release are here:
http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/hogweed/HW01.html

I will clearly provide these links and the text in the thread but I am not sure how to detail the lineage. I think the lineage for HW01 would look someting like this (gleaned from the text):
Aud>?>2nd Gen Cassette Tape>Akai GXC 570>Audiomedia III on a Macintosh w/ProTools>SHN

is that aceptable? should I try to detail the noise reduction and filtering in this line or is the link to the restoration page enough? Thanks.

I might go like this:
Aud>?>2nd Gen Cassette Tape> (Akai GXC 570>Audiomedia III on a Macintosh w/ProTools)*>SHN

* See this link for remastering details: http://users.netcon.net.au/listen/Hogweed.html

Something like that. But, that's just me. Your way is fine also as long as you mention the remastering and give a link to it.

(Very interesting site. I love the background info on all the shows.)

zosa
2006-03-16, 10:21 AM
Your way is fine also as long as you mention the remastering and give a link to it.cool...thanks

mity
2006-03-16, 12:17 PM
Ok, I spent a coupla hours last nite trying to seed my first show here at the den. I used EAC to rip the wav files from my cdr. Then compressed the wavs into flacs and saved the fingerprints. When I go too upload the actual torrent it says "must change url to www.tradersden/etc etc. What do I need to do from this point? Thanks for any help :D

U2Lynne
2006-03-16, 01:17 PM
It sounds like when you made your torrent file, you did not put in the correct announce url. The correct url is: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/tracker/announce.php

Black Dog
2006-03-16, 05:26 PM
I was given this SRV show recently by a trader as he was archiving all his CDR’s to DVD. It is his original copy. I have a couple of questions.


The text below is the enclosed info file. I’m not sure how to decipher the lineage. Is this a copy of a pressed CD?
I searched the audio BT forum here and didn’t see this show listed. Is this the best source for this show? If I can figure the lineage out I would like to seed it here at TTD.
Thanks, Blackdog

Info file:

Ripped from original silver cd* via eac>(dbpoweramp)flac.
The notes at willmot show the cd as a cdr, yet the pressing I had,
and ripped this from was indeed a factory silver cd, not a cdr.
Info below from willmot SRV website:
http://willmot.com/SRV/CD/59_fender_stratocaster.html

'59 Fender Stratocaster - various locations
[no label indicated] (1999) (16 tracks, 74:05) (CD-R format)
CBS Record Convention, Honolulu, HI 19mar84 (tracks 1-4)
w/ Jeff Beck, Angela Strehli (vocals) and Jimmie Vaughan
Apollo Theater, Manchester, England 22jun88 (tracks 5-9)
Reading Rock Festival, England 27aug83 (tracks 6-13)
<track#/title> <time> <notes>
1> T. Bone Shuffle 3:57 "Wham" w/Jeff Beck
2> Texas Blues 2:26 "Hawaiian Eye" (TV Theme) w/ J Beck
3> Last Call 3:28 "Lost Cause" w/ J Beck, A Strehli, J Vaughan
4> Beck's Boogie 4:59 "Jeff's Boogie" w/ J Beck
5> Tell me 2:50
6> I'm Leaving You (Commit A Crime) 5:42
7> Pride and Joy 5:06
8> Texas Flood 7:03
9> Love Struck Baby 3:59
10> Scuttlebuttin' 4:34 "Testify"
11> Testify 5:30 "So Excited"
12> Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) 7:35
13> Pride and Joy 4:35
14> Mary Had A Little Lamb 3:29
15> Love Struck Baby 3:06
16> Texas Flood 5:47




http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showpost.php?p=261634&postcount=96


I'm planning on seeding this in the morning when I get home from work....

Any thoughts.....ideas......opinions?

Five
2006-03-16, 05:36 PM
:thumbsup

Black Dog
2006-03-17, 06:10 AM
:thumbsup

Thanks for your help! :wave:

guygee
2006-03-18, 06:42 PM
Yaq regarding seeding policy in the faq - What is the policy here on TTD for widely circulated fan compilations? For example, some Neil Young compilations have been widely circulated from the Rust List or Rust Radio, such as "Piano Songs", "Piano Songs II", "Banjo Songs", "Capture The Horse" (which was vined here), and most recently "5x". For these compilations I can list the show dates for each track, and also verify that my copy matches the master copy of the compilation, but the tracks are all from different sources, and listing the lineage for each track would most likely not be possible (I would have to pester a whole lot of people: not something I am willing to do, and the likelihood of complete success would be extremely slim). It should be possible to note something about the source of each track (aud, fm, sbd, etc) but that would probably be the best I could do.

So, given that these "fan compilations' have been widely released and circulated, and very likely many other people want to hear them, is it sufficient that I am able to verify my ffps with the "compilation master"? Or are such compilations not allowed here on The Traders Den?

Five
2006-03-18, 07:05 PM
I don't see a problem with that... something like a Purple Chick release put together by fans as the best possible definitive edition would be almost impossible to get a complete lineage for, but since their releases are widely accepted as the cream of the cream of the crop it serves TTD's agenda of quality. If you want to seed something like that just make a note explaining the situation.

Black Dog
2006-03-20, 12:26 AM
Same deal....another SRV disk from the same trader...and I'm planning on seeding this in the morning when I get home from work....

Any thoughts.....ideas......opinions?

*******************************

Stevie Ray Vaughan
"City Of Lights"
1988-10-06
Greek Theater
Los Angeles,CA

Hawk Label
HAWK061

http://www.willmot.com/SRV/CD/city_of_lights.html

Original Silver CD > PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-303
> EAC(v0.9 beta 4) > WAV(44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo) > SHN-MKW

01. 01-Pride And Joy [0:06:31.53]
02. 02-You'll Be Mine [0:05:36.17]
03. 03-I'm Leaving You [0:07:16.72]
04. 04-Let Me Love You Babe [0:04:12.57]
05. 05-Leave My Girl Alone [0:06:24.01]
06. 06-Superstition [0:04:53.35]
07. 07-Willie The Wimp [0:05:46.47]
08. 08-Cold Shot [0:06:21.28]
09. 09-Couldn't Stand The Weather [0:12:41.01]
10. 10-Life Without You [0:11:29.44]

992747e36665434c32448281289ad50c [shntool] 01-Pride And Joy.shn
7033b798e53c033b0ce5a461d5b283e2 [shntool] 02-You'll Be Mine.shn
4b0cfcacfb5c88c515ba5f6ae7e41ca2 [shntool] 03-I'm Leaving You.shn
7c76fe80e6460c9d138847f3b9216f24 [shntool] 04-Let Me Love You Babe.shn
ebfacb2fcfa3672a468eedb71d56462d [shntool] 05-Leave My Girl Alone.shn
d6f5b653dd566d8fd3331ed7b665df39 [shntool] 06-Superstition.shn
364b08ec0c4abeb32b8dc311a094a27b [shntool] 07-Willie The Wimp.shn
aed76f192897a74197a51e876c17c8c5 [shntool] 08-Cold Shot.shn
a3162797e14f22d4c64a9bbe44e7b7bf [shntool] 09-Couldn't Stand The Weather.shn
1ecfd61536f491b350235c50c97ac3f9 [shntool] 10-Life Without You.shn

Artwork included

Again, thanks for the help! :thumbsup

Five
2006-03-20, 01:09 AM
^Looks great! :thumbsup

(my brain is working today!)

Black Dog
2006-03-20, 01:24 AM
^Looks great! :thumbsup

(my brain is working today!)

Glad your feeling better...
It'll go up in the morning...
Thanks again..:D

Five
2006-03-20, 02:22 AM
no probs, my insomniac friend! :wave:

Black Dog
2006-03-20, 03:48 AM
no probs, my insomniac friend! :wave:

:D :lol I work graveyard shift...the hours come with the job!
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showpost.php?p=234868&postcount=807

:wave:

Black Dog
2006-03-20, 10:40 AM
Here's a sample:

Five
2006-03-21, 03:11 AM
sounds great! and it is lossless

I guess I am the insomniac, not you :lol:

Black Dog
2006-03-21, 09:39 AM
sounds great! and it is lossless

I guess I am the insomniac, not you :lol:

The show is up and running:thumbsup .......11 leachers:clap: ....and I'm going to bed :wave:

.........btw, your post was at 4:11am.....insomniac! :lol :lol:

Black Dog
2006-03-22, 05:15 PM
.....and yet another one! :lol:
Does everything appear in order?

Opinions?




Stevie Ray Vaughan
"Texas Flood"
1980-07-22
King's Head Bay Inn
Norfolk, VA
Silver Rarities, SIRA076]
(55:37, 9 tracks)

http://www.willmot.com/SRV/CD/texas_flood-VA.html

Original Silver CD > PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-303
> EAC(v0.9 beta 4) > WAV(44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo) > SHN

average quality; includes Jackie Newhouse on bass, no Tommy Shannon

<track#/title> <time> <notes>
1> Hide-away 4:49 "Hideaway"
2> Tell Me Darling 4:37 "Love Me Darlin'"
3> Tin Pan Alley 10:26
4> Lovestruck 3:17 "Love Struck Baby"
5> Another Day 4:24 "I'm Crying"
6> Texas Flood 10:31
7> Witching Hour 6:51 "I'm Leaving You (Commit A Crime)
8> Little Wing 4:25 contains splices
9> Instrumental 6:15 variation of "Drivin' South"

Coverart included

2540af6f27a25f766a26ac906dd5645b [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t1.shn
362d883c2a4d710b590130bc0daebf84 [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t2.shn
52a27950527299acaeeef73245e598b4 [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t3.shn
1a6527f2885c99d694d9ffd5cbc9ea4f [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t4.shn
4e252741287e417a0518ed9f6dc3bfe3 [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t5.shn
511dc5ca031e9b01d569fe53144ed7fe [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t6.shn
7b176c8963c0ec8daadace3160e9a623 [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t7.shn
05187bf3887e39209cb5a6e7bca4e084 [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t8.shn
0f46bc1d1391da54a49d6f3375d7ef7e [shntool] SRV Texas Flood 7-22-80 t9.shn

Black Dog
2006-03-23, 03:43 PM
Also....does anyone know if this boot is a SBD, AUD or FM?

I haven't been able to find any info.

Five
2006-03-23, 04:44 PM
looks good

...there is no carrier, but II would still guess fm. if it was pure sbd the audience would be more subdued, if it was aud it wouldn't sound as good as it does, especially the bass drum. hard to say more judjing from the little snippet

it sounds better than "average quality" to me!

Black Dog
2006-03-23, 04:56 PM
looks good

...there is no carrier, but II would still guess fm. if it was pure sbd the audience would be more subdued, if it was aud it wouldn't sound as good as it does, especially the bass drum. hard to say more judjing from the little snippet

it sounds better than "average quality" to me!

Thank Five! :D

I'll upload it in the morning! :thumbsup

And thanks for walking me through all these SRV shows! :rolleyes: :wave:

Black Dog
2006-04-29, 09:29 PM
I have this set ready to seed...

Stevie Ray Vaughan
"We Are Called Double Trouble"
[Dandelion, DL 008/9/10/11/12] (5CD set) (Netherlands, 1998)
-Lineage: original silver cd->PX-W4824A->EAC(secure mode)->wav->flac frontend(level 7)
-File size: 1.34GiB (Flac format)

http://www.willmot.com/SRV/CD/we_are_called_double_trouble.html
http://www.srvrocks.com/import-we-are-called-double-trouble.htm

My question is....since it's '79 & '80 and SBD & AUD...

How should I list it?

U2Lynne
2006-04-29, 10:57 PM
You can list it either way. We've never been picky about that at all. I would probably list it under the one that more songs are recorded/taped as. It looks like that one *may* be more audience than soundboard (hard to tell with some of the discs). I think more people read the notes than look at the thread icon.

Black Dog
2006-04-29, 11:50 PM
You can list it either way. We've never been picky about that at all. I would probably list it under the one that more songs are recorded/taped as. It looks like that one *may* be more audience than soundboard (hard to tell with some of the discs). I think more people read the notes than look at the thread icon.

OK...Thanks Lynne. :wave:

slslbs
2006-05-02, 09:37 PM
Got this show in a mail trade a while back and think it would be worth putting up here - just wanted to check
Traffic 11-23-70 "Woodwind"
sbd > bootleg >?> shn

I have the MD5 files but no other info about the show. did a search on the net and general consensus is that it's a sbd. No specific source is listed in the db. Is it OK?
thanks

U2Lynne
2006-05-02, 10:20 PM
Since you really don't know anything about it, you should leave out the 'bootleg' part since that implies it was a sold bootleg (and if it was released as a Silver CD, then we like known transfers straight from the bootleg, not an unknown generation transfer). So, soundboard > ? (unknown transfer or media) > shn

slslbs
2006-05-03, 04:27 AM
thanks

donovana
2006-05-09, 11:51 PM
I have a lineage question. I have a show that I want to seed, and it came from a good friend of mine in Texas. Here's the lineage SBD > ? > CD > EAC > FLAC > WAV > Magix ACL (speed correction only) > WAV > FLAC Level 8 Will this be acceptable? Thanks for any help you can give.

Five
2006-05-10, 02:26 AM
the one vague part is where it says "CD"... does that mean a silver booleg cd, or is that a CDR. and if it is a CDR is the generation of the CDR known, or is it (x).

other than that, looks great

donovana
2006-05-10, 11:47 PM
Hi five, thanks for replying to my message. I don't know what generation this show is. I asked the friend of mine from whom I received the show from, and he doesn't know either. I'm not sure how to find out, or if their is a way to find out. Would you allow me to put (x) since we don't know? I want to ssurprise the folks on this site with the show, I really want to seed this show, but I also want to make a real effort to follow the rules at the same time. I also used trader's little helper, and created the finger prints file myself, since the show didn't come with one, and when I created the finger prints file, everything appears to check out. I look forward to hearing from you, thanks for all your help on this, and I can't wait to seed this show.

whatboutbob
2006-05-12, 09:43 AM
Ok, this may not be entirely appropriate to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread, and I don't think it deserves a thread of its own. Please move/delete if I'm treading on any toes by doing so.

So...I taped a show last night. ADC battery died at the start of the second encore. Would anyone want the incomplete show? (ie should I up it)

Sample: http://download.yousendit.com/601C31677695AD1E

Info:

Ben Harper & the Innocent Criminals
May 11, 2006
Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne, Australia

Taper: whatboutbob
Location: Stealth: Lowers, left of stage, 80ft from stack

Source: at853s (c) > Battery box (homebrew 3 wire) > AS20 > iRiver H120 (rockbox digital )
Conversion: iRiver>USB>Adobe Audition>CDWav 1.94.3>FLAC Frontend 1.7.1 (Level 8)


Disc 1:

01. Intro [00:48]
02. Touch From Your Lust [08:09]
03. Alone [05:34]
04. Glory & Consequence [08:20]
05. Homeless Child [04:22]
06. Gold to Me [06:22]
07. Instrumental [03:25]
08. The Way you Found Me [03:30]
09. Forever [04:07]
10. Waiting For You [06:41]
11. Brown Eyed Blues [05:12]
12. Diamonds on the Inside [05:21]

Disc 2:

01. Please Bleed [05:51]
02. Black Rain [04:47]
03. With My Own Two Hands [14:59]

Encore 1:

04. Another Lonely Day* [04:57]
05. Walk Away* [04:24]
06. Pleasure & Pain* [05:05]
07. Please Me Like You Want To [05:41]
08. Morning Yearning [04:28]
09. Suzie Blue [04:50]
10. Where Could I Go [08:00]

Encore 2:
Burn One Down% [N/A]
Steal My Kisses% [N/A]
A Better Way% [N/A]

* Ben Solo
% Not recorded

Notes:

The battery in the AD20 died 20 seconds into Burn One Down, so the second encore wasn't taped.
Note to self: never buy Panasonic batteries again. POS lasted 2h10m.

U2Lynne
2006-05-12, 10:17 AM
I'm sure people would love the incomplete show.

U2Lynne
2006-05-12, 10:21 AM
Hi five, thanks for replying to my message. I don't know what generation this show is. I asked the friend of mine from whom I received the show from, and he doesn't know either. I'm not sure how to find out, or if their is a way to find out. Would you allow me to put (x) since we don't know? I want to ssurprise the folks on this site with the show, I really want to seed this show, but I also want to make a real effort to follow the rules at the same time. I also used trader's little helper, and created the finger prints file myself, since the show didn't come with one, and when I created the finger prints file, everything appears to check out. I look forward to hearing from you, thanks for all your help on this, and I can't wait to seed this show.
Hey donovana, I'm not sure you got your answer from Jamie, but basically you would write the lineage like this:
SBD > ? > CDR(x) > EAC > FLAC > WAV > Magix ACL (speed correction only) > WAV > FLAC Level 8

CDR(x) is acceptable for lineage *unless* it is a generation of a Silver pressed CD. But, if this isn't "Silver CD > CDR(x) > etc" then you are fine. Feel free to PM either myself or Jamie (Five) if you have more questions about this.

rockthing
2006-05-12, 11:47 AM
:wave: Hi.
This is more of an equipment check than
an actual lineage check.
I don't have very professional gear, but
I taped a show recently
and have made the torrent, but would like to
get an opinion about it before trying to post.
(first timer)
-----------------------------------------------------
Lineage:
AUD (Aiwa CM-P22 stereo mic -> Sharp MD-DR7-S mini-disc recorder)> CDR(M) (Teac RW-D280 analog input)> WAV (xcdroast v0.98alpha15 with paranoia 50 / cuepoints edited with gnusound 0.7.4) > FLAC8 (flac 1.1.0)

Software:
http://www.xcdroast.org/manual/first.html#setup
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnusound
http://flac.sourceforge.net/
-------------------------------------------------
I'm mostly concerned about the transfer from
the CDR(M) to WAV.
I've included links to the software vendors if
you have the notion to check.

This is a great forum. :clap:
I DID learn a lot from reading other peoples' questions
and the answers that followed.

Thanks for any time you have to mull this over. m(_ _)m

donovana
2006-05-12, 02:11 PM
Hi Lynn and five. That sounds good, thanks for all your help on this. I'll write the lineage exactly how lynn wrote it, and we'll give it a whack. I'll make the torrent shortly, thanks again. I love seeding shows.

ktb615
2006-05-26, 11:25 PM
Another first timer who taped his first show here. I've read through this thread but it seems to be people who didn't tape the shows wondering about lineage. Here's what I've got for mine:

AUD > Panasonic RQ-L30 > SBLive! > Audacity > mkwACT > SHN

Does that look alright?

Five
2006-05-26, 11:48 PM
only thing missing is the mics used... or if they are built into the Panasonic you should mention that. otherwise perfect.

U2Lynne
2006-05-26, 11:59 PM
You know, I was talking to Five and Aaron the other day about a 'Writing Lineage for Dummies' guide (actually, for myself, I'm not a taper, I just wanted to understand the exact sequence). So, if you don't get a response from them right away, shoot Five or Aar.oner a PM and they will help you write it correctly.

Edit: Ha! Five beat me to it. Hi Five! :wave:

Five
2006-05-27, 12:34 AM
:D :D

Black Dog
2006-08-08, 06:24 AM
Does anyone know if this is a *official* release?

12" single

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6277/scan0001apx2.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001apx2.jpg)

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6592/scan0002afc7.th.jpg (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0002afc7.jpg)

U2Lynne
2006-08-08, 10:50 AM
When I first looked at it, I figured it must be (since it's Capitol records). But, then I did a search of their discography and couldn't find it. Then I googled "Capitol records V-15523" and came up with a hit: http://hiphop.discogs.com/release/538448

So, I'd say yes, it is an official release.

ColinM
2006-08-28, 03:53 AM
Allowed?

FM > Silvers > EAC > Mkw > SHN > WAV > CDR > EAC (secure mode, offset corrected, log files appended) > WAV > FLAC 1.1.0 via FLAC Frontend 1.7 (Level 8) > FLAC

This is a Swinging Pig release according to the text file.

U2Lynne
2006-08-28, 09:45 AM
Allowed?

FM > Silvers > EAC > Mkw > SHN > WAV > CDR > EAC (secure mode, offset corrected, log files appended) > WAV > FLAC 1.1.0 via FLAC Frontend 1.7 (Level 8) > FLAC

This is a Swinging Pig release according to the text file.
Nope, sorry. From the ABT FAQ:

5. CDR rips of material available on Silver CD and rips of CDRs burned from previously downloaded lossless files are not permitted.
We at The Traders' Den are trying to promote purity in the trading pool. When dealing with a set that has been released on silver pressed CD, we require that the lossless files have been cleanly ripped from an original silver CD. To help ensure that everyone has equal access to pure versions, Silver CD > CDR > Lossless is not a legal lineage. On the same token, once a show has been ripped to lossless media format, burning to a CD and then re-extracting is an extraneous step that often-times results in errors. FLAC, APE, or SHN sets that circulate may not be burned to audio CD and then re-traded or re-seeded. Please archive and trade only the original lossless files or acoustically identical alternate formats (verify this with shntool md5s). CDR generations are bad for the trading pool, and unless all versions of the bootleg circulate only on CDR, it will not be permitted here.

hombre
2006-08-31, 07:00 PM
How do you get your md5 files to show, if you use Trader's little helper ???

Starlifter
2006-09-04, 10:04 AM
I'd like to know why something like this: SHN > WAV > FLAC is allowed here. I realize it's no loss of quality but why are people allowed to upload such things when the original is what currently circulates.

Why put yet another form of compression into the pool?

U2Lynne
2006-09-04, 10:56 AM
I'd like to know why something like this: SHN > WAV > FLAC is allowed here. I realize it's no loss of quality but why are people allowed to upload such things when the original is what currently circulates.

Why put yet another form of compression into the pool?
Flac is smaller in size and is actually the preferred type of lossless file type for many people. But, this is one of the reasons why we ask for shntool md5s (st5) to be provided with shn/ape files. An st5 fingerprint will be the same as a flac fingerprint. So, if you had a show in shn and you had the st5 for it, if it was converted to flac you would easily be able to see right away if it's the same show just by comparing the fingerprints.

edit: I wanted to add.... shn > wav > flac > wav > shn etc will always produce the same wav file throughout the convertion (as long as we aren't talking about burning the wav to CDR and then extracting the wav from the CDR at all in there). They are all *lossless* files. st5 and ffp will simply help you tell right away that they are from the same source file.

And, speaking as a Mac user, I prefer flac to use in my 'player', cog. cog doesn't play shn files very well and macAmp is no longer supported and is very glitchy at times. And, I know of no Mac player that allows you to play shn seek tables (they barf on them). So, for me, I would take flac over shn anyday.

Starlifter
2006-09-04, 12:03 PM
Fair enough... thanks Lynne. :)

pokermad
2006-09-26, 10:41 PM
Want to start sharing correctly so is this the proper lineage and files to include. And is it ok to share stuff from other sites?

1.
Source: Soundboard
Lineage: Silvers > EAC > WAV > MKW > SHN > FLAC

2. ny1970-02-25ffp.txt, shntool results.txt and info.txt

thanx

U2Lynne
2006-09-26, 11:47 PM
Want to start sharing correctly so is this the proper lineage and files to include. And is it ok to share stuff from other sites?

1.
Source: Soundboard
Lineage: Silvers > EAC > WAV > MKW > SHN > FLAC
This is excellent. What we don't want is: Silvers > CDR(any generation) > EAC > WAV > MKW > SHN > FLAC

We don't want CDR shows that were copied from the Silvers. We want a rip straight from the Silvers. (Of course, better yet is straight from the master, but.... )
2. ny1970-02-25ffp.txt, shntool results.txt and info.txt

thanx
shntool, ffp, and txt files are what we like. I might suggest renaming them to always have 'ny1970-02-25' in them.

pokermad
2006-09-27, 09:16 AM
shntool, ffp, and txt files are what we like. I might suggest renaming them to always have 'ny1970-02-25' in them.

Oops forgot one more question......
These files came from the original downloaded torrent. Should I use them or make my own?

thanx :thumbsup

U2Lynne
2006-09-27, 10:33 AM
Well, if you make your own fingerprints, then they should be exactly the same as the original ones, so there is no need to do it again.

pokermad
2006-09-27, 12:44 PM
ty for the help!

BlameHofmann
2006-11-27, 11:58 AM
I've got a lot of audio bootlegs that I've been sent thru the Tool and Coheed & Cambria communities that have no lineage or fingerprints: I take it that they are unacceptable for hosting?

Thanks, bh

U2Lynne
2006-11-27, 01:24 PM
Well, fingerprints are very easy to make, so that is no problem. As for the lineage, you actually always have some lineage. You got a CDR? So, you could say it is: unknown equipment & transfer > CDR(x) (x meaning unknown generation)> EAC (what should always be used to extract on a PC - xACT if you have a mac) > wav > TLH (Traders Little Helper is recommended, but there are others) > flac . But, what you really should do before seeding something with such unknown lineage is to look around and see if there is a version out there that the taper put directly to flac. If there is, then please don't share your version with all the 'unknown' in there. If you can't find a version shared that has known lineage, then what I wrote is acceptable.

weesam
2006-12-07, 07:32 PM
Is it within the rules to seed a "instant live" type CD? (it isn't instant live but LiveNow) The run was 1000 and sold only at the gig, so the only place people can get it now are ebay or trade.

U2Lynne
2006-12-07, 10:24 PM
No, we can't allow those. They are kinda like Out Of Print stuff which we don't allow either. The band at one time made money off it it. (And, they could again if they decide to re-release it, which has been known to happen.)

slewofboots
2007-01-15, 03:01 PM
No, we can't allow those. They are kinda like Out Of Print stuff which we don't allow either. The band at one time made money off it it. (And, they could again if they decide to re-release it, which has been known to happen.)

I have two questions. My first question is similar to Weesam's only the CD I'd like to upload to TheDen was a promotional give-away (it's a compilation of live material from recent shows) that I received at the Big Head Todd & The Monsters New Year's '03 (or '04??) show in Denver. Is this allowed?

Secondly, what about the material fround on KBCO Studio C discs? I have all 18 volumes. However, some are CD-R copies my friends made me - my question here pertains only to the originals that I own. These CDs contain a wide variety of musicians, and each was recorded live at the Boulder, CO radio station's in-house studio (and each year the quality gets better). They cost $10 per CD and the proceeds go to benefit the Boulder AIDS Project. A very limited number get produced each year and once this number has been sold, you can only buy them on E-bay from people who stood in line in Colorado to get them.

Thanks in advance for your response,

-Slew

kopite
2007-02-02, 11:53 AM
Is this lineage o.k. to seed the video looks like it could be from the master but I don't know for sure?

Lineage: Aud Camcorder > VHS(?) > DVD(?) > DVD Shrink > My HD > You

U2Lynne
2007-02-02, 12:00 PM
It should be fine. Make sure that when you check the stats in GSpot (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=video#faq_video_stats) that it was not sourced from a VCD (I found out that a couple of my 'DVDs' are actually VCD sourced :disbelief ) It will say in the mid-bottom right side if it is DVD format or VCD format. You may also want to do a quick google on the show and see if there is already a known source version floating around.

kopite
2007-02-02, 12:17 PM
Thanks it say's DVD "VOB" format, just got to do the md5 stuff now.

TerryG
2007-02-08, 02:15 AM
Hello,

While digging through some of my old tapes I found a few Clutch shows that, as far as I know, are the only recordings made of these shows. A combination of my inexperience, low end camera and the super heavy jams coming from the stage led to the audio being really bass heavy, to the point of distortion. Would it be ok to torrent these shows here? I'm not too proud of how they sound, but I'm sure any Clutch completists would appreciate them and maybe someone with a little more knowledge than me could clean the audio up and make them sound a little better.

Thanks

AAR.oner
2007-02-08, 06:33 AM
Hello,

While digging through some of my old tapes I found a few Clutch shows that, as far as I know, are the only recordings made of these shows. A combination of my inexperience, low end camera and the super heavy jams coming from the stage led to the audio being really bass heavy, to the point of distortion. Would it be ok to torrent these shows here? I'm not too proud of how they sound, but I'm sure any Clutch completists would appreciate them and maybe someone with a little more knowledge than me could clean the audio up and make them sound a little better.

Thanks
yes, it would be fine to seed em here...are these video or audio tapes? re: remastering, i might would be interested in giving them a go later this spring

U2Lynne
2007-02-08, 09:44 AM
I'm with Aaron, go ahead and share them. Let people know about the problems and that you would love it if someone could 'fix it up' and then share it again.

TerryG
2007-02-08, 10:28 AM
They are video tapes, digital 8 to be exact. I'll work on capturing them tonight and hopefully start upping them this weekend.

Five
2007-02-08, 11:07 AM
excellent stuff. Clutch has a small but dedicated following, they will be happy.

ps check out kyussqotsa.com/forum to meet many fans of "stoner rock"

bleach91
2007-02-17, 09:03 AM
Hi U2Lynne, is this lineage okay?

GENERATION
-----------------
ANA(1) -> WAV [48kHz] -> WAV [44.1kHz] -> FLAC [Level 8]

SOURCE (AUD#1)
-----------------
A+F MC385D -> Fostex X-15

TRANSFER
-----------------
Nakamichi DR-8 -> Hosa RCA cable -> LynxONE analog-in -> Adobe Audition 1.5 -> CD Wave 1.93 beta -> FLAC Frontend 1.7.1

I have some shows with these information and I want to know if I can share them.

Greetings!

AAR.oner
2007-02-17, 09:21 AM
Hi U2Lynne, is this lineage okay?

GENERATION
-----------------
ANA(1) -> WAV [48kHz] -> WAV [44.1kHz] -> FLAC [Level 8]

SOURCE (AUD#1)
-----------------
A+F MC385D -> Fostex X-15

TRANSFER
-----------------
Nakamichi DR-8 -> Hosa RCA cable -> LynxONE analog-in -> Adobe Audition 1.5 -> CD Wave 1.93 beta -> FLAC Frontend 1.7.1

I have some shows with these information and I want to know if I can share them.

Greetings!
yes, seed away :thumbsup

U2Lynne
2007-02-17, 09:45 AM
Hi bleach91,

That lineage looks just fine.

mudshark68
2007-02-25, 03:17 PM
General question regarding seeding here at the Den. Porcupine Tree is generally a "taper tolerent" band. However for their fall '06 tour they said taping would not be allowed and all taping equipment would be confiscated if found. The reason was because they were playing unreleased material and didn't want it to get out.

The question then is what to do after the new material gets released. Obviously there are those who taped the shows anyway but have not seeded any of them. Would those shows be allowed here after the release of the new cd?

U2Lynne
2007-02-25, 06:31 PM
I would think that if you wait until after the material is officially released and then you post the show, then they would be fine with it. I've known of other bands to ask the same of their tapers and have been fine with the shows getting released after the material is officially released and users have gone and purchased the CDs.

nickh79
2007-03-21, 03:30 PM
Hi anybody out there with a complete lineage of these Pink Floyd shows?

A Passage Of Time 1994-09-13 Torino sbd. Best bootleg of the whole Division Bell tour. Originally seeded at STG.
1974-11-16 - Time In London [Remastered] sbd.
1987-11-01 - Miami sbd (fixed)
1989-07-15 - VenetiaNight , FM or soundboard.
1990-06-30 - A Perfect Reception - Knebworth Festival, England Pre-FM

Thanks in advance :wave:

nickh79
2007-03-26, 06:11 PM
Seems like I can´t get any help with my lineage questions. :(

U2Lynne
2007-03-26, 09:13 PM
I don't know that this is the best thread for that question, Nick. This is more a thread where users post to Staff asking if their lineage is written correctly for a torrent they want to upload (or getting help in how to correctly write the lineage for an upload). You may want to post your own thread in The Piano Bar asking if anyone is familiar with those shows and knows where you can find a site with correct source information for them.

EVAN772
2007-04-10, 12:01 AM
when seeding , after i see others have started to reseed is it ok for me to pull my files at my end so i can make room for more? :hmm:

U2Lynne
2007-04-10, 09:44 AM
Speaking for me, if I'm the initial seeder, I usually keep my files on my harddrive much longer than I do if I just downloaded the show. I like to be able to reseed the show if needed. But, the basic bittorrent etiquette is that after you seed to a 1:1 ratio, you are fine to jump off the torrent.

EVAN772
2007-04-11, 07:41 PM
is this lineage ok? was cut other day by joe, but i don't think he knew was a silver. not sure what the deal is.


Beatles - The Complete Rooftop Concert

Lineage = SBD-->Silver-->db Power Amp-->wav--> flac frontend level 6-->FLAC

do not have file for rip

Yellow Dog YD015

Track Listing

1. Get Back (take 1)
2. Get Back (take 2)
3. Don't Let Me Down (take 1)
4. I've Got A Feeling (take 1)
5. One After 909
6. Dig A Pony
7. I've Got A Feeling (Take 2)
8. Don't Let Me Down (take 2)
9. Get Back (take 3)

10. The Walk (complete Version)
11. Oh! Darling
12. Maxwell's Siulver Hammer
13. Across The Universe
14. Gone, Gone, Gone
15. Wake Up In The Morning
16. She Came In Through The Bathroom Window
17. Sausages and French Fries / Early In The Morning / Hi Ho Silver
18. Stand By Me
19. Harry Pinkster ( Hare Krishner Mantra)
20. Two Of Us


Tracks 1-9 Rooftop Concert Apple HQ Jan 30 1969
Tracks 10-20 Twickenham Studios for film crew

Total Time; 68:03

garther
2007-04-11, 07:56 PM
I have a audience recorded silver boot with 4 'bonus tracks' from a different venue and FM source at the end of the 2nd CD. The entire AUD show itself is a terrible recording, but the 4 tracks from the FM sound nice. Is it okay to just post the 4 'bonus tracks' from the set instead of the whole 2 cd show?

thanks

U2Lynne
2007-04-11, 11:03 PM
Evan, that was cut because we require EAC to be used to extract audio from Silvers (and actually, EAC should always be used, but we request it on non-silvers, require it on silvers).

garther, I think the best thing to do is to seed the whole thing. You can put comments about the quality and then let people decide if they want to just download the four tracks or the whole thing.

acov
2007-05-04, 04:18 PM
HI

im very new to this....

i have a show with the following lineage....

Recording gear
M1 DAT w/custom pre amp – sonic studios PL6 cardiod mics

Mastering
Tascam DA60> Yamaha O3D mixer> audigy2(SPDIF)> Sound Forge7
Used durrough multi band compressor – 4.5:1@<hidden> 100hz .3 bandwidth +1db boost
Normalized to 90%

Tracking – CD Wave set to zero cross

i guess i was confused about the "masterin" part....and didn't want to upload it if there was something wrong with the show.

spiritinaphoto
2007-05-04, 06:56 PM
HI

im very new to this....

i have a show with the following lineage....

Recording gear
M1 DAT w/custom pre amp – sonic studios PL6 cardiod mics

Mastering
Tascam DA60> Yamaha O3D mixer> audigy2(SPDIF)> Sound Forge7
Used durrough multi band compressor – 4.5:1@<hidden> 100hz .3 bandwidth +1db boost
Normalized to 90%

Tracking – CD Wave set to zero cross

i guess i was confused about the "masterin" part....and didn't want to upload it if there was something wrong with the show.
I don't see any problems just looking at the description of the mastering process. Some traders prefer to have a "clean" source of a given recording (i.e. as close to what was on the original media as possible), so they can adjust it to their own taste, but most people will be fine with it as long as the dynamics haven't been completely compressed out and there isn't any diginoise.

acov
2007-05-04, 07:16 PM
great thanks

thanks for the alter via pm too. :wave:

ARealWarlock
2007-05-23, 05:09 AM
Hi I have a question regarding a post that I made which was pulled. One, I may have mis-represented the lineage on it. Two, I know that the series that I posted has been posted here before. The beach boys unsurpassed masters. All volumes that I have, were downloaded from the same source "demonoid" and all were done directly from the CDs and then Flac. They are all of high quality, they weren't done from a CDR but the original CDs from what i've been told, and nothing has been changed or altered in any way and all have the original artwork with them. I downloaded them in Flac and want to upload them as received. We all know that there are limited resources for downloading them, and only one place to get them from. I just want to know if this can be re-considered about me uploading the series, because I have the complete series now that Vol. 16 has been posted here. And I have a feeling that it was downloaded at one time from the same source. My intention isn't to pollute the quality of the recordings, they are in the same format as downloaded. And they are really scarce to find now as well. If there is a chance of re-consideration now that I admit I may have mispresented the lineage, and letting you know the source of the series. Please let me know. Thank you
ARealWarlock

P.S. I'm also new to uploading as well, I should have said CDs and not silvers.

ARealWarlock
2007-05-23, 05:34 AM
Hello, me again. Since I can't edit my previous post, I would like to add that I have almost a Terabyte of storage here my secondary HD is 500 Gig. And I still have the entire series on the 500 gig HD and am the sole seeder of several of the volumes of the series, as well as some of the other rarities that I have aquired such as Brian Wilson "the cocaine sessions" as example or the 2 vol. tribute to Dennis Wilson. If you were to search for any of the series or other rarities, it ultimately comes back to me as either the sole seeder or one of very few. And the share ratio on some of them is as high as 600+% I do believe in seeding and sharing. With that, I'm just asking for a re-consideration so I can continue sharing with others since I have all 22 volumes in the UM Beach boys series now that vol. 16 has been posted here. And I'm pretty sure that it was downloaded at one time from the same source that I got them through. Thank you for your time.
ARealWarlock

U2Lynne
2007-05-23, 11:24 AM
I sent a link to this thread to Jamie (Five) since he would know more about this stuff than I.

ARealWarlock
2007-05-23, 12:09 PM
Hi Lynne, Jamie is the one that pulled the upload. I don't think he had all the details at the time that it was pulled.
ARealWarlock

Five
2007-05-24, 04:58 AM
hey there

we have a unique strict rule about shows that come from bootlegs that they have to be perfectly captured directly from the silvers with an error-correcting ripping program (usually EAC) preferably with .log files containing accurate information concerning the perfection of the extraction. There's some quantity of each silver title out there and hopefully somebody will post a perfect rip of this series in the future. With CDR copies and lesser rips errors can get in there... some rips seem perfect, but upon closer examination there's little errors in there (or other times not so little) that might not be obvious when given a casual listen on speakers. If we let the version with questionable lineage ("I presume the lineage to be Silvers>??>Flac") run on this tracker, somebody who owns the set and is thinking about posting it will see that it is already here and figure that a perfect rip is not necessary, since if its posted here it would have to be a perfect rip, right?? If that set is very hard to find and you want to get it out to ppl, I'm sure they would welcome it over at tapecity.org or similar site.

Everybody hates getting their show pulled for whatever reason and I thank you for taking the time and effort, it is appreciated.

ARealWarlock
2007-05-24, 06:41 AM
Hi Five "Jamie" After doing research and talking with the person that owns the full set and did the original postings, I did find out that the original CDs and Not CDRs or copies were ripped to wave and then flac. It can't get any more pure than that. My intent is not to pollute the trading pool, but I did mis-represent the lineage and I apologize for that. And my apologies since I am new to the uploading end of this and polluting the trading pool is the furthest thing from my mind. And being a Beach Boys collector for 38yrs I will accept no less than the best quality, and share no less than the best. I don't want to cause any problems, and I know that there are other postings here with the same lineage, and the quality is the same as what I have because I have downloaded them from here before and still have them on my hard drive. Thanks for your time.
ARealWarlock

Five
2007-05-24, 04:11 PM
you've got to ask him what proggy he used to rip the silvers... there are very few programs that provide error-correcting ripping and error reports, so if you want the highest quality the software matters. If the software didn't matter then a copy of a copy of a copy of an audio cd would be fine to share, with no errors ever.

I'm not trying to put you off and I hear you and trust that these boots are ripped very well, maybe even 100% perfect. But we've got a very sticky rule about bootleg sources since day one here and we enforce it as best as we can. There's something like 80 pages of torrents in the audio section, maybe some have lineage that isn't up to par and they should be pulled, some of them are probably mp3-sourced and we haven't found them yet, post the links and I will pull them all. It is very difficult to keep up with the amount of traffic moving thru here but we do our best.

I also want to add that with non-bootleg sources we are much more lax ... we want you to really try your best to find the best available version or alternate longer tape etc of these kind of shows and realize that a lot of stuff (esp the older shows) we will never truely know where it came from unless the taper sees it and tells us the details, but when it comes to bootlegs there are many copies out there and somebody will be able to post a better copy.

ARealWarlock
2007-05-24, 07:58 PM
Well then in that case I'll come clean, I have the originals and was trying to decide whether or not to post them here or the "other" site. Given what you've told me, and you're reaction to the mention of the "other" site. My decision has been made. The ripping was done with Adobe audition 2 And future postings will be CD silvers>EAC>Flac all the way. I wasn't trying to jerk anyones chain, I just wanted to be sure this was the better site. And now I know that it is 100% Although something tells me that some of my postings may end up on the other site eventually, with all the "Hit and runners" Thanks for your patience in helping me make my decision. And I was missing #16 until it was posted here, the original just costs to damn much compared to what I got the others in the series for over the years. Thanks again for your time.
ARealWarlock

PBrane
2007-06-14, 10:46 AM
Not sure where to ask this, so I'll try here. I have a thread that has been up since 08-16-06. Someone has recently discovered it and is trying to dled from it, but has crap speed and seems to keep loosing the link to the torrent. Is there any reason why an old seed like this may be more difficult to download? I also have the impression that it appears to others as seedless, while I am seeding on Azureus!! Can you maybe do a health check on this and see if it is OK? This is the torrent
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25129

Thanks
Colin

U2Lynne
2007-06-14, 11:37 AM
Well, I see you trying to seed it, however I see noone trying to download it at the moment. I can't think of any reason why an older show would have any problems compared to a newer show. However, I can think of reason why the leecher is dropping off - maybe he is trying to download too many shows at once, maybe he is firewalled, maybe he is capping his download speed. I really don't know.

PBrane
2007-06-14, 12:09 PM
Well thanks for checking. Can you just try to download to see if you get a reasonable speed or is that too much to ask...
Colin

U2Lynne
2007-06-14, 12:32 PM
Are you in superseed mode? I see you, but I don't see you (yeah, I know, makes no sense). I am getting download speeds of about 30, which isn't bad considering you are the only seed and I am limited to your upload speed.

PBrane
2007-06-14, 01:03 PM
Yes, I'm in superseed mode (is that good??) Ok, if you are getting 30, this should be OK for everyone I guess. Many thanks for your help.

dcbullet
2007-06-14, 01:24 PM
I've noticed that if I'm using encryption (to battle ISP throttling) sometimes others can't download from me. I think incompatible clients.

Are you running encryption?

PBrane
2007-06-14, 02:31 PM
Don't think so. Checked Azureus under options, but couldn't find an option referring to encryption.

superhokie
2007-06-26, 04:11 PM
I have a great 1994 Rush soundboard show that I downloaded from another tracker. I'd like to share it here, however there was no lineage provided. There is a Nero WavEditor screenshot here:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/9/118492/Other%20Stuff/nightatspec.jpg

that was taken from one of the tracks on Disc 1.

Is it okay to upload this torrent here or no? I'd rather check first before posting it in case it would get pulled later on.

THanks.

jeeweewee
2007-06-28, 11:02 AM
Hi Folks,
Since I'm fairly new to this traders scene and to this website, I want to comply to your house rules and after done some reading I have a few questions left. I just read about a request for a ISO I just downloaded of Dime the other day. I was thinking about seeding it here, but due to some internet problems I want to start a vine instead. Any way, the lineage they used on Dime is as follows:

TDK E-HG VHS tape (SP, HiFi audio) > S-VHS deck > Panasonic DMR E-85 (hard drive > DVD-R) > trade > DVD Decrypter > Harddrive.

and then it went from Dime to me.
Can I just use this like it is and just add something like:
TV Broadcast> ? > (lineage above)
>Dime>my harddrive>HL-DT-STDVDRAM GSA-H10N (burner)>DVD+R (you).

Another question I have is:
there are 5 VOB files and when tested with GSpot I got 5 different values for video bitrate (8479,7526,7732,6718 and 7751).
What is the correct way of putting this down.
Something like:
(720 x 480 29.97 fps NTSC 6718 Kbps VBR, Peak = 8479 Kbps)?

Regards, jeeweewee :wave:

crazy_phil05
2007-10-04, 02:48 PM
Hiya, I haven't been a member of this site for very long, and I'm fairly new to the whole trading game etc etc when I first joined the site, i was having very little problems with downloading, but recently its been very difficult for me to dl files.

For example, ive been trying to dl a 1977 Led Zeppelin show, and the torrent at this moment has 5 seeders, however when ive got the torrent and i try to begin downloading the files, bittorent informs me there is no seeders, and i cant start dl the show!

also on any other files ive managed to begin dl, bittorent always says theres only 1 seeder, when the site usually says 5 or 6 seeders! can anyone shed some light on this? is it my bittorrent thats at fault or do the files i want merely need to be reseeded? thank you!!!

U2Lynne
2007-10-04, 04:07 PM
crazy_phil05, this really isn't a lineage issue, but.... you are firewalled. That means you may only connect to other seeders/leechers who are not firewalled. I noticed that you are on one torrent with 6 seeders and 1 leecher (you) and 5 of the seeders are also firewalled. That means you may only connect/download from the one seeder who is NOT firewalled. This also explains why you can see 6 seeders in the Peers List, but you only show 1 seeder in your bittorrent client.

josedequeso
2007-10-15, 06:19 PM
Camel-Moonmadness Tour 76
I have a question about a DVD I got in a snail mail trade a while ago, I would like to seed it here. It is entitled Camel-Moonmadness Tour '76. It is not the “Especial Camel TVE” show that was on here a while back, but a completely different show. No one I've been in contact with knows for sure when and where this was recorded, so there is the first problem. I’ve heard it was recorded for the BBC but never broadcast, but I could be wrong. Secondly, it is a basic vhs to dvd transfer (no idea on how it was transferred) with a static menu and chapter points every ten minutes. I checked with the video-seeding guide and I think a standalone dvd is allowed but I'm not sure. Any help on whether or not its allowed would be appreciated.

U2Lynne
2007-10-15, 06:30 PM
You may want to PM one of the Video BT Mods to see if they can help you on this. I think they may have some questions to ask which weren't answered here (like is it PAL/NTSC and where was the broadcast?).

witkotatanka
2007-10-16, 03:29 PM
Hi,

OK I was a member last year then time constraints forced me to give up internet completely. So I've seed several shows last year and am familiar with seeding. However, I have one question. I have an SRV show that is comprised of an early set and a late set. These 2 sets for a long time were traded separately and thus I have one set in shn and one in flac. So should I convert the shn to flac or keep them the same. I relise I would need to update the lineage but am not sure if I should even do this even though I plan to seed them together.

On another front, while looking to see if the show I plan to seed was on the tracker, I found a show I seeded last year under my old name. Sorry but it was a year ago and I couldn't remember my username or pw and my email is different. Plus I figured that name would be deleted for inactivity. Any way, I see a couple posts asking for a reseed. Well, I can't guarantee the files I have are exactly the same as the torrent. So should I just post a new torrent and thread?

Also, how can I ask a question I'd rather not have in public?

Thanks!

U2Lynne
2007-10-16, 05:27 PM
You may seed them both together as shn and flac, or if you want to convert, you may do that to. Personally, I like to leave the filesets in the original format.

I can merge your two screennames together, if you want. As for reseeding the show, your files should match the fingerprints for the files that are on the torrent, I would think, no? If you are just missing a text file, well, not much you can do about that to fix it.

As for asking other questions, the best thing to do is to PM a mod for that forum. The mods for the Audio BT forum are: Five, jameskg, ohkeepa, dcbullet

witkotatanka
2007-10-16, 06:00 PM
thanks for the response lynn

the audio files weren't changed with repspect to the old torrent. I thought I may have renamed the files after I found a great tool that can rename a batch of files in numerical sequence. But I checked my list and I received the show on cdrs. Therefore I ripped the cds with eac to name the tracks as I normaly do. I checked the name of the tracks on the thread and it looks like my naming method. But I may have altered the text file some tho. As the torrent was going, someone clarified the venue but it didn't seem prudent to stop the torrent and make the corrections. For me it would just be easier to make a new torrent. But if the txt file won't be a problem then I'll just grab my files and the torrent then bump the thread.

You could merge the 2 names if it would make things easier. makes no difference to me. old name was moebootz

thanks!

Creflo
2007-10-24, 12:10 PM
I've noticed some folks have been able to use software to detect that a particular audio show had been compressed and was therefore unsuitable.

I received several Steely Dan shows in past snail trades and they are complete with cover art which denotes lineage. However, these arrived on CDRs so I couldn't say for sure that the person who sent them didn't make these from mp3s. I highly doubt it, but you never know.

How should I go about checking these discs and is this an acceptable seed?

U2Lynne
2007-10-24, 12:12 PM
You should take a look at the links posted at the top of the Lossy or Lossless forum. The links will talk about how to do a Spectral and Frequency Analysis and how to read what you are seeing.

ep620
2008-01-27, 03:59 PM
Can I seed this as is or do I have to remove Gloria & Party Girl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_a_Blood_Red_Sky


U2
Red Rocks Amphitheater
Morrison, Colorado
June 05, 1983

Source: Soundboard Master > DAT > CDR Master > EAC > WAV > FLAC

Setlist:

Disc One
--------
01 Out Of Control
02 Twilight
03 An Cat Dubh
04 Into The Heart
05 Surrender
06 Two Hearts Beat As One
07 Seconds
08 Sunday Bloody Sunday
09 The Cry / Electric Co.


Disc Two
--------
01 I Fall Down
02 October
03 New Year's Day
04 I Threw A Brick Through A Window
05 A Day Without Me
06 Gloria
07 Party Girl
08 11 O'Clock Tick Tock
09 I Will Follow
10 "40"

U2Lynne
2008-01-27, 04:06 PM
Can I seed this as is or do I have to remove Gloria & Party Girl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_a_Blood_Red_Sky
I think you should be fine. The album is going to have been mastered differently than a bootleg.

ep620
2008-01-27, 04:09 PM
I think you should be fine. The album is going to have been mastered differently than a bootleg.

sweet. :thumbsup First torrent. I hope it goes well.

ep620
2008-01-28, 01:19 AM
Shouldn't there be an explanation when a show is pulled?

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52550

U2Lynne
2008-01-28, 09:17 AM
Shouldn't there be an explanation when a show is pulled?

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52550
Usually there is, but I think Bill figured it had already been written in the posts about the video released. I completely forgot about that one (sorry - I don't have the video, so it slipped my mind!). :redface:

ep620
2008-01-28, 07:23 PM
about the video released......

I hope I don't sound like an ass here because I don't have a lot invested in this and I'm not even that big of a U2 fan. I just feel bad for the 76 people stuck with part of show. But I really don't see what a 28 year old VHS tape of only part of a concert has to do with the full audio recording. If U2 really cared about this obviously popular show they've had almost 30 yrs to release it. Maybe whoever pulled it could explain it in more detail.

fubar
2008-01-28, 09:08 PM
it is what it is

Eruraw
2008-02-04, 07:58 PM
Hello

I need some help to start seeding...

When I'm downloading a torrent, it is uploading same time.
But when the download is complete, the uploading stops.

What must I do to keep uploading the torrent?
I don't want to be a "problematic user" like some others...

Please, can someone help me with that?

U2Lynne
2008-02-04, 10:24 PM
Hello

I need some help to start seeding...

When I'm downloading a torrent, it is uploading same time.
But when the download is complete, the uploading stops.

What must I do to keep uploading the torrent?
I don't want to be a "problematic user" like some others...

Please, can someone help me with that?
You should start your own thread so this question doesn't get lost in this thread. Basically, you need to set up your bittorrent client to continue to seed/upload after your downloading has stopped. You didn't mention what bittorrent client you use, so I can't give specifics. When you start your own thread, be sure to mention your bittorrent client.

Eruraw
2008-02-16, 01:24 PM
Hey, I'll start a torrent, I follow all steps in the list.

But I don't know, how can I get the text fingerprints that you put on the thread??
I created the .ffp already, but the text?

I think it is necessary because you all put it on the first post...

U2Lynne
2008-02-16, 01:31 PM
Hey, I'll start a torrent, I follow all steps in the list.

But I don't know, how can I get the text fingerprints that you put on the thread??
I created the .ffp already, but the text?

I think it is necessary because you all put it on the first post...
You can open the .ffp file in a texteditor such as notepad and then you can copy/paste the fingerprints into the upload page.

Eruraw
2008-02-16, 02:23 PM
Okay, now it's uploaded...
But now I must download it from my thread and wait that Torrent recognize it??

jonohull
2008-03-03, 01:24 AM
I have a few shows I'd like to upload here, but I have no lineage for them. I can't even find them anywhere else to see if there is a definite lineage. The shows are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band from 09-30-1966 and 01-18-1969. Does anyone know anything about these shows, or if I can upload them at all?

U2Lynne
2008-03-03, 09:37 AM
I have a few shows I'd like to upload here, but I have no lineage for them. I can't even find them anywhere else to see if there is a definite lineage. The shows are the Paul Butterfield Blues Band from 09-30-1966 and 01-18-1969. Does anyone know anything about these shows, or if I can upload them at all?
Those are very old shows. It's not surprising that you don't have any lineage to go with them. You may seed them though. What you want to put for lineage is something like:
unknown recording equipment > unknown transfer > CDR(x) > EAC * > wav > TLH** > flac

* you should always use EAC on Secure Mode to extract the audio
** Traders Little Helper may be used or there are other applications.

That lineage was written assuming you have the shows in CDR format. The CDR(x) denotes and unknown lineage CDR.

jonohull
2008-03-03, 03:12 PM
Ok, thanks. I did get them from someone's CD-R a long time ago. I will use what you suggested.

hart325
2008-04-11, 10:28 AM
I need help!

I am trying to upload something here for the first time. I followed all the steps and just to be sure I had the thread removed and tried again, but I am still experiencing the same problem. I am stuck at the step where I dl my own torrent. Nothing is happening, it has been at 0.0% for hours! I have disabled my firewall and turned my avast anti-virus to medium security just as the site said and I am still not moving.

Please help me, I already have like 45 leechers and I want them to be able to have my music.

Thanks so much!

jonohull
2008-04-11, 10:31 AM
I need help!

I am trying to upload something here for the first time. I followed all the steps and just to be sure I had the thread removed and tried again, but I am still experiencing the same problem. I am stuck at the step where I dl my own torrent. Nothing is happening, it has been at 0.0% for hours! I have disabled my firewall and turned my avast anti-virus to medium security just as the site said and I am still not moving.

Please help me, I already have like 45 leechers and I want them to be able to have my music.

Thanks so much!

You need to point the download to the directory your files are in, not just the default DL location for your client.

schmoe75
2008-04-11, 10:39 AM
Did you download the torrent file from the thread?

FYI, re-upping a pulled show is NOT a reseed.

U2Lynne
2008-04-11, 11:00 AM
I need help!

I am trying to upload something here for the first time. I followed all the steps and just to be sure I had the thread removed and tried again, but I am still experiencing the same problem. I am stuck at the step where I dl my own torrent. Nothing is happening, it has been at 0.0% for hours! I have disabled my firewall and turned my avast anti-virus to medium security just as the site said and I am still not moving.

Please help me, I already have like 45 leechers and I want them to be able to have my music.

Thanks so much!
You are leeching the show, not seeding it. Take a look at this faq item: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=bittorrent#faq_wrong_folder

edit: PM also sent.

hart325
2008-04-11, 04:12 PM
I got guys, thanks for the help!

jonohull
2008-04-15, 10:05 PM
I recently just got this:

THE NEW YARDBIRDS
London Blues

The earliest known recordings of the group that should become Led Zeppelin

(Plant/Page/Bonham/Jones)
Remastered by Pink Robert

1. I Can't Quit You
2. I Gotta Move
3. Communication Breakdown
4. I Can't Quit You
5. Killing Floor
6. Fought My Way Out Of The Darkness - Hush Little Baby
7. She Wants You - London Blues
8. Dazed And Confused
9. White Summer - Black Mountain Side

Tracks 1-2: Tivoli Gardens, Stockholm, September 20, 1968 - Radio broadcast
Tracks 3-9: The Marquee, London, October 16, 1968

I had this on a cassette for a very long time and I had no idea that this was some kind

of rarity until recently, so I let it to the Zeppelin circles.

PR


I have no idea what lineage to use, and I can't find any other source for it. I'm guessing just this?:

? > Cass(?) > flac

jonohull
2008-04-21, 01:18 PM
^^ Disregard. I learned it was a fake. My bad.

U2Lynne
2008-04-21, 02:05 PM
^^ Disregard. I learned it was a fake. My bad.
Whoops, sorry, I missed your post in this thread. :redface: