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poopshipdestroyer
2005-11-30, 02:10 PM
I'm thinking of getting an IPOD, but obviously because these files are so large I'll be running into a problem. If I convert all my files to MP3s, will they lose a lot of quality?

rherron
2005-11-30, 06:19 PM
MP3 (and other “lossy” formats) has traditionally been a sore spot in these parts. I think most are past the flame wars at this point. People are going to do whatever they want to do with their music.

The answer to your question is yes, converting the files (songs) to MP3 will degrade the quality of the sound. This is imperceptible/acceptable to many people, especially if done at higher bit rates.

If you get an iPod convert to AAC. It sounds identical to MP3 to me, and it's even more compressed.

Get ready to possibly be blasted by the MP3 haters.

Rob

thisistoto
2005-11-30, 06:43 PM
Unless your an audiophiliac you wont notice a huge difference. I never understood why people bought portable players just for the fact that you could upload FLAC or some other lossless file type. It kinda goes against the whole idea of a portable mini player.


The files take up waaaay too much room, and just listening on little headphones you wont hear much of a difference at all.


Let the iPod haters say all they want, but iPods are great. Thier wicked easy to use and own, the user interface is perfect, and they are pretty durable little mother fuckers.

brimstone
2005-12-01, 12:40 AM
I think it's a waste of space to put lossless music files on a digital audio player, because you will not hear any difference between a lossless and a properly encoded lossy music file.

If you have an IPOD i would recommend using aac, and the best solution for converting would probably be to use foobar2000 with an external encoder(if you're using windows).

ishallbefree
2005-12-04, 09:02 AM
I would suggest dbPowerAmp to encode.

My question is how many concerts are you putting on your iPod? If you're only putting one or two, then just burn them to a CD and listen to them on a cheap CD player. I would stick to just putting albums or misc. songs on it. I'm assuming you already own or download the band who's concert you're putting on you're iPod. I don't have that big of a problem with mp3s. Their useful for albums, and samples. That's about it.

DoIFeelLucky
2005-12-04, 09:40 AM
I don't have a problem with the mp3 format for personal use. I try to keep abreast of LAME developments, and LAME's variable bitrate (VBR) presets are all I use when encoding something to mp3 (using foobar2000, like brimstone said).

My problem is with the iPod. Yeah, great storage, durability, compatibility, all these things are great. iTunes even has what many people in the know call the best AAC encoder around (and it's free). But neither iTunes nor the iPod are capable of gapless playback. I listen mainly to shows like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, for which gapless playback is a must for an enjoyable concert experience. Can't do that on an iPod, unless you encode an entire concert to a single mp3 file.

rherron
2005-12-04, 10:37 AM
I don't have a problem with the mp3 format for personal use. I try to keep abreast of LAME developments, and LAME's variable bitrate (VBR) presets are all I use when encoding something to mp3 (using foobar2000, like brimstone said).

My problem is with the iPod. Yeah, great storage, durability, compatibility, all these things are great. iTunes even has what many people in the know call the best AAC encoder around (and it's free). But neither iTunes nor the iPod are capable of gapless playback. I listen mainly to shows like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin, for which gapless playback is a must for an enjoyable concert experience. Can't do that on an iPod, unless you encode an entire concert to a single mp3 file.

Someone mentioned here one time that if you put the songs on the iPod in WAV format it is capable of gapless playback. I cannot say that I have ever tried it as everything on my iPods is AAC. You might try it. Perhaps someone else could confirm or refute this.

Rob

ishallbefree
2005-12-04, 10:50 AM
I'll try it. I have a fourth generation.

PyRo UK
2005-12-04, 10:53 AM
There's no problem with MP3s, or the players so long as you use a VBR with a minimum of no lower than 128kbps. I use Razorlame (a simple free LAME encoder) to encode to a VBR of Min 192kbps, max 320kbps.

I however would suggest that rather than buying an iPod, you buy the new Sony walkman, or a Creative Zen.
iPods have the ability to self-destruct for no apparent reason. You could wake up one day, tur it on and realise that the harddrive has screwed itself over during the night, even while it wasn't playing. The Zen Sleek (the Zen which I have) also has better aspects than the iPod including:
-FM radio
-The ability to transfer music WITHOUT the need of a special program which converts it to a format which isn't actaully MP3. This also means that with a Zen, you can take music off it and put it onto a computer which doesn't have iTunes, which you can't do with an iPod.
-Longer battery life
-Cheaper price
-The Zen Sleek looks classy as foock, whereas in my opinion the iPod looks a little "so what?"-ish.

There are also other crappy things which you'll never use like a calendar.

Also most people who own iPods don't have a clue what music actually is, so they only use about a tenth of its capacity which they fill with shitty bitrate tracks wich weren't any good even when they were audible. With the iPod, comes this personal label... absolutely free!

Of course if being labelled doesn't matter to you, then don't worry about that, but I'd still reccomend a Zen.

And whatever player you go for, you MUST buy a pair of earbuds (the things with silicon buds which stops outside noise getting in). They give far better quality sound, deeper bass, and they mean that when you're listening to music, all you hear is the music. Very handy when you have to get on a bus full of little kids.

ishallbefree
2005-12-04, 11:09 AM
I will agree that most people with iPods hardly use any space. I have a twenty gig which I got for my birthday last year (I didn't ask for one, but hell, I'm not complaining.) It does it's job, I wish I had more space. I think the big thing is, since the iPod is the "big thing" everyone has them, and everyone likes what ever is on the popular radio station.

I've yet to have a problem with my iPod, and there is this nifty little accessory that lets you play your iPod off your car radio. I'm sure other mp3 players can do that also.

The Toshiba Gigabeat is a great mp3 player as well. Especially if you like the iPod photo (which is a complete waste of money). The Gigabeat is also cheaper then an ordianry iPod. I think they range from 10-40 gigs right now.

One thing though that kind of pisses me off about mp3 players is the binary thing. I think all mp3 players should go in GiB not GB.

ffooky
2005-12-04, 11:23 AM
-The ability to transfer music WITHOUT the need of a special program which converts it to a format which isn't actaully MP3. This also means that with a Zen, you can take music off it and put it onto a computer which doesn't have iTunes, which you can't do with an iPod.

What do you mean ? iPods can play MP3,AAC,ALAC,WAV & AIFF. I don't know about the Windows side but there are many applications for OS X that can transfer tracks from Pod to computer with no need for iTunes.

As for some of them dying unexpectedly...as there must be 8 iPods sold for every 1 of another flavour of DAP so I'd be amazed if we didn't hear about many more duff units than other players.

The gapless thing is a genuine issue, doesn't bother me unduly but I can see how it might others.

To the OP: I recommend 160kbps VBR AAC.

TheMamba
2005-12-04, 11:47 AM
iPods have the ability to self-destruct for no apparent reason. You could wake up one day, tur it on and realise that the harddrive has screwed itself over during the night, even while it wasn't playing.


No freaking shit. I just had this happen to me for the SECOND time. :disbelief

Actually, it happened to me this morning as a matter of fact. No tunes while mowing the lawn. :mad:

I'm looking for something else now. Screw Apple and the horse they rode in on.

PyRo UK
2005-12-04, 11:53 AM
As for some of them dying unexpectedly...as there must be 8 iPods sold for every 1 of another flavour of DAP so I'd be amazed if we didn't hear about many more duff units than other players.

I never thought about it like that. i'm not sure anymore, but I've heard about probably over 20 of my mate's iPods dying, but never encountered or even read about a Zen dying.

I don't know about the Windows side but there are many applications for OS X that can transfer tracks from Pod to computer with no need for iTunes.
Exactly. There are many applications for it. With a Zen, Windows can handle it without the need for ANY application.

And the Zen has very nearly no silent time. The gap between tracks is almost unnoticable unless you're listening specifically for it.

rherron
2005-12-04, 12:52 PM
PyRo UK:

I’m not even sure where to begin.

I have 2 iPods. One is about 3 years old (the very first model). The other is a little more than a year (generation 4 model). I have never had a single problem with either.

My friend bought his iPod about same time I did (the first gen iPod) and it died after maybe 6-9 months. It was replaced, for free, under warranty. The replacement was the generation 2 iPod I believe – the one with the 4 buttons plus the wheel – and it came with a bigger HD than the one that died. That one has been going strong for 2 plus years.

As was pointed out already, if MP3 is your thing, iPods play MP3s.

I know a great deal about music, bit rates, etc. I have 2 iPods because I have enough music to fill 2. I am thinking very seriously about getting a 3rd iPod this month. I like the video feature and I would like one exclusively filled with shows I’ve downloaded from Dime, TTD, etc.

I think the deal is that YOU don’t care for iPods because they are extremely popular and you see yourself as being some sort of “outside the box” hipster. Get whatever kind of portable music player you like. But don’t suggest that iPods are crap. Their not. They do what they do extremely well, that’s why Apple has 75% of the US market for portable MP3-type music players.

Rob

ishallbefree
2005-12-04, 01:31 PM
:clap:

TheMamba
2005-12-04, 01:48 PM
No freaking shit. I just had this happen to me for the SECOND time. :disbelief

Actually, it happened to me this morning as a matter of fact. No tunes while mowing the lawn. :mad:

I'm looking for something else now. Screw Apple and the horse they rode in on.

Crisis averted. Took me all morning and part of this afternoon to figure this thing out.

Word of advice: Use a firewire connection instead of USB.

PyRo UK
2005-12-04, 02:16 PM
I suppose you're right that I don't particulalry like iPods. That's not because they're popular, or because I think they're a bad piece of kit. Its simply because if there's something better out there, why go for the compromise just because everyone else does?
If Zens were the popular thing I'd still buy one, I wouldn't change to iPod just to be "different".