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Old 2008-06-14, 11:27 AM
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The cap may not be specific to just BT. In that case there's nothing you can do about it.

Try some http downloads like www.archive.org , megaupload, etc. and see what kind of download speeds you get vs. a torrent with tons of seeders.
I downloaded covers that were emailed to me. The speeds were 40-60 kbps, before I used to get speeds around 300 kbps if not more.
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Old 2008-06-14, 11:38 AM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

Then (as I'm sure you've already guessed), your bandwith is being throttled.
My cable company does this to me too, but since the speeds are still good under the cap, I stopped paying attention to it.

To be sure of a bandwith cap, you can run this speed test:

http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
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Old 2008-06-14, 11:47 AM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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I downloaded covers that were emailed to me. The speeds were 40-60 kbps, before I used to get speeds around 300 kbps if not more.
So it's an overall bandwidth cap, not just BT. I'd check the advertised speeds for whatever DSL package you bought, and complain that you're not getting what was advertised. If they are advertising 7 Mbps down, that's 875 kBps.
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Old 2008-06-14, 11:54 AM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

Problem is, his non P2P bandwith (http connections) is only being throttled when he uses BT. (so it seems) Perhaps that is their way of getting around encrypted packets.
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:09 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

or maybe BT is eating up all of his bandwidth. tgunn, with your BT client closed, what kind of http download speeds are you getting?
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:12 PM
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Problem is, his non P2P bandwith (http connections) is only being throttled when he uses BT. (so it seems) Perhaps that is their way of getting around encrypted packets.
It's definitely that. I can't connect to Yahoo messenger and pages won't load when BC is on. All while it's only DL at 40 kbps.

Sympatico, my old ISP, throttled my speeds even worse. I was getting under 10 kbps total (!!!!) before they fixed the problem.

I thought I had virus or spyware.

I ran two virus scans and spybot BTW, before I called tech support.
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:14 PM
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or maybe BT is eating up all of his bandwidth. tgunn, with your BT client closed, what kind of http download speeds are you getting?
What bandwidth? You call 40 kbps downloads bandwidth?
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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Problem is, his non P2P bandwith (http connections) is only being throttled when he uses BT. (so it seems) Perhaps that is their way of getting around encrypted packets.
I don't think that's how Comcast was doing it with sandvine. People weren't complaining that their browsing speed was affected, just BT traffic (mainly uploading after completing but also download speeds in some cases).
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:17 PM
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So it's an overall bandwidth cap, not just BT. I'd check the advertised speeds for whatever DSL package you bought, and complain that you're not getting what was advertised. If they are advertising 7 Mbps down, that's 875 kBps.
Sounds about right. Sympatico-5 MBPS, peaked at 600 kbps DL and 80 UL.

I called them yesterday so I would expect them to take a couple of days to sort it out.
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:18 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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What bandwidth? You call 40 kbps downloads bandwidth?
that's not very much, but to figure out exactly what the problem is, please close your BT client and test some http downloads of big files (like 20 or 50 megabytes or something)!
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:28 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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I don't think that's how Comcast was doing it with sandvine. People weren't complaining that their browsing speed was affected, just BT traffic (mainly uploading after completing but also download speeds in some cases).
OK, but that was Comcast. Although it's a cheap method, it would make sense to throttle someone's entire bandwith while using BT. 40 kb/s is crap though.
Is everyone using sandvine? I have no clue.
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Old 2008-06-14, 12:37 PM
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OK, but that was Comcast. Although it's a cheap method, it would make sense to throttle someone's entire bandwith while using BT. 40 kb/s is crap though.
Is everyone using sandvine? I have no clue.
It would make sense to only target the P2P traffic, and leave http traffic alone, so it wouldn't seem so obvious that they were throttling P2P. I mean that's discrimination, an ISP can't legally (I believe) discriminate against one form of net traffic vs. another. There is a lot of legal BT traffic, like this and other sites.

If they want to set speed limits and set limits for the total number of GB used in a month, fine, but to discriminate against BT is fucked up.

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Old 2008-06-14, 12:56 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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that's not very much, but to figure out exactly what the problem is, please close your BT client and test some http downloads of big files (like 20 or 50 megabytes or something)!
I will down a file from rapidshare, I am curious to see how that will work.
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Old 2008-06-14, 01:00 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

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It would make sense to only target the P2P traffic, and leave http traffic alone, so it wouldn't seem so obvious that they were throttling P2P. I mean that's discrimination, an ISP can't legally (I believe) discriminate against one form of net traffic vs. another. There is a lot of legal BT traffic, like this and other sites.

If they want to set speed limits and set limits for the total number of GB used in a month, fine, but to discriminate against BT is fucked up.
That is absolutely right.

I find it disturbing that these people KNOW what applications I use to download.

Are they throttling BC or specific ports that P2P traffic comes from?
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Old 2008-06-14, 01:38 PM
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Re: Is my ISP capping my DL speed?

I think at first they were throttling the default ports for BT 6881-6889, then ppl switched to higher port ranges. Then they started shaping all BT traffic, and encryption was introduced to combat this. Then sandvine was introduced, which sent false info to clients to stop seeding.

You can read more about it on torrentfreak. Search throttling and sandvine.
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