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Thanks for the tantalising post......which begs the question. Do you know of a 'reliable' source of infomation ? I mean I have old hot wacks books but they make little comment beyond track listings. Most Zep sites now concentrate on CD versions rather than vinyl.
Not really...what I was pointing out is that the 'expert' mentioned was wrong about the shows I recorded.

I only recorded 4 Led Zep shows.

If I (who am not an expert on Led Zep) can see that this 'expert' is wrong just on the 4 shows I am positive about, the question obviously is, how many of his other entries are wrong?

Basically, that 'expert' is only expounding his own opinion, correct?

And we all know what opinions are like.......


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With regards to your question. The generic answer is that 'experts' rarely if ever 'are wrong' whatever the field.
Its been my experience that "experts" in bootlegs and live audience recordings and "ROIRs" are self proclaimed experts.

Ask a self-proclaimed expert if he's wrong?

What do you think he'll say....
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Lots of misinformation on the Hoff site.


At least I see the misinformation as it pertains to all of the 4 Led Zeppelin shows that I recorded.

I also see misinformation on shows that I got directly from the tapers. But we'll not speak of that again. Let those master tapers come forward to speak of that.

Maybe Mr. Hoff is working in a vacuum, or maybe he has another agenda entirely, or maybe he isn't quite the expert he makes himself out to be.

Or maybe someone in the Led Zeppeliin trading community has so clouded the waters on the entire Led Zeppelin live recorded legacy that no one will ever be able to straighten it out...Gee, I wonder who could or would have done such a thing? Well, it doesn't take much presence of mind to figure that who would be behind such an occurance.


Again, I am no overall expert on Led Zeppelin, but I am 'the' expert on 4 specific recordings, only because I was at those shows and it's my recording which circulates (or is not in common circulation.) On these listings, Mr. Hoffs is dead wrong. (I can point out my voice on these recordings and I have done so to certain Led Zeppelin collectors, if verification is needed that I actually recorded these tapes.)


The question then begs: So, On how many other instances could Hoff be wrong, if on my work he is 100% dead wrong?


YOU THINK YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS RECORDING THOSE SHOWS
THEN THAT VERIFIES JUST HOW NAIVE YOU BE
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HO MOrt

GoOD TO HEER FROM YOU AGAIN. Oh, KING OF MISINFORMATION

SO WHERE"S ALL YOUR ALTERNATE ZAPPA SHOWS FROM BAToN ROOGUE????

DO THEY EXIST THIS WeeK OR NOT?

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Mort/Ninja,

You make me laugh out loud.

Good to see you slithered out from under that rock......
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YOU THINK YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS RECORDING THOSE SHOWS
THEN THAT VERIFIES JUST HOW NAIVE YOU BE
I don't do capitals mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm88888888888888
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Not really...what I was pointing out is that the 'expert' mentioned was wrong about the shows I recorded.

I only recorded 4 Led Zep shows.

If I (who am not an expert on Led Zep) can see that this 'expert' is wrong just on the 4 shows I am positive about, the question obviously is, how many of his other entries are wrong?

Basically, that 'expert' is only expounding his own opinion, correct?

And we all know what opinions are like.......




Its been my experience that "experts" in bootlegs and live audience recordings and "ROIRs" are self proclaimed experts.

Ask a self-proclaimed expert if he's wrong?

What do you think he'll say....
Agreed. I guess I am expert in the shows I taped a 'lifetime ago' however not Zep which I regret. But there you go......the mistakes of youth
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whoa, whoa, turn down the flames,

my wax is startin' to melt!

So anybody have the 10 record set called 'Strange Tales From The Road'?
If you do I have a question about the last four sides.
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whoa, whoa, turn down the flames,

my wax is startin' to melt!

So anybody have the 10 record set called 'Strange Tales From The Road'?
If you do I have a question about the last four sides.
Back to sense again. Sorry I don't but curious re the question
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whoa, whoa, turn down the flames,

my wax is startin' to melt!

So anybody have the 10 record set called 'Strange Tales From The Road'?
If you do I have a question about the last four sides.
I used to have it but traded it away

somebody seeded a transfer of it on ezt a while back
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More details as promised

Zeppelin over Europe 'eye thank yew' yellow printed front cover pics from 1980 tour of all band members
back cover b/w knebworth pics D.HIP 001 top R corner copyright happy hippo records miami japan (sic)
1 NFBM 2 BD 3 ITE 4RS 5HD 6AML 7TUF 8SIBLY 9ALS 10WS 11 KASH 12STH 13RR 14HB
Labels ii records swissair run out ZZYZX030/D 2 lp ONE SLEEVE

ZOSO 80 ? title 1980 TOUR NO OBVIOUS TITLE SEPIA TONE GATEFOLD pepso france run out ZM-278-ABCD made in france
1BD 2ITE 3RS 4 HD 5AML 6TUF 7SIBLY 8ALS 9WS 10KASH 11STH 12RR 13WLL

I have not played these for years but I am sure one or both kick off with Train kept even tho not listed

FBHO part 1 original masters reissue series 1981 sh-human vinyloids an oleg kirov presentation no label on disc run off BHI-SIDE 1 ETC
1 SA 2HFBM 3OTHAFA 4SIBLY 5TYG 6TBFE 7GTC 8BMS 9KASH 10TUF 11STH 12 WLL 13 RR WITH KEITH MOON

DESTROYER DRGM505 STEREO MADE IN USA DRGM505 run out
okay I finally got that info for ya... this is proof that it is time for me to buy a fucking scanner

the stuff with ** is added by me to help describe the little pic in the book. the information varies a little across the three books I have that mention these boots. It seems that they're all reissues, and "eye thank yew" aka zeppelin over europe is perhaps the most rare and valuable.

From "The Illustrated Led Zeppelin Collection" by Robert Godwin (Canada April, 1984).

Destroyer

A European bootleg done from a sound board recording, thus no audience noise at all. By far the best of all the "Destroyers" available. The cover doesn't mention Black Country Woman. Released as DRGM #505. The cover is a red blue & black wrap around. Deluxe labels carrying the right date. The cover says Seattle Aug 77, but it is the first night in Cleveland 27th April 1977.

**cover is Jimmy with the doubleneck, head and shoulders visable. Above him is written "LED ZEPPELIN", below is "DESTROYER", all in the Physical Graffiti font.

Side 1.
Song Remains/Sick Again (9:52)
Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:25)

Side 2.
In My Time Of Dying (10:36)
Since I've Been Loving You (8:05)

Side 3.
No Quarter (19:20)

Side 4.
Ten Years Gone (8:43)
Battle Of Evermore (5:42)
Going To California (4:06)

Side 5.
Guitar Intro.Achilles Last Stand (19:30)

Side 6.
White Stummer/Black Mountain Side/Kashmir (13:15)
Stairway To Heaven (9:52)

Side 7.
Black Country Woman/Bron-y-Aur Stomp (6:45)
Rock & Roll (3:03)
Trampled Underfoot (6:26)

Side 8.
Out On The Tiles/Moby Dick (15:56)

Destroyer

The American alternative to the European bootleg "Destroyer".

Recorded on the same night but with audience noise. The cover was a large plastic carrying case which says recorded June 24th 1977 Cleveland. A re-issue with a yellow insert sleeve says Seattle August 77. It is in face Cleveland 27th April 1977.

Kashmir is abruptly interrupted with pieces of Stairway To Heaven.

Carries the same serial # as the European DRGM 505. Still very good stereo but no where near as good as the European version. The cover doesn't mention Black Country Woman. Same track listings as the European version.

**Cover is Jimmy visible from the knees up wearing his white suit playing his Les Paul & a cheesy outer-space background. Text says:

DRGM ENTERPRISES AND THE LED ZEPPELIN FAN CLUBS INTERNATIONAL
present
LED ZEPPELIN
DESTROYER
Unique Permanent Zeppelin Storage Case

Eye Thank Yew

A European re-issue of "Swiss Made".

Deluxe full colour sleeve. The pictures are from the book "In The Light" by Howard Mylett & Richard Bunton. Released on Happy Hippo records serial # D HIP 001. Cover says only 500 pressed.

The title is from a catch phrase used by Plant throughout the 1980 European tour.

For Badge Holders Only Part One

First released on Dragonfly records LZ1234. The original has labels that say "Ruthless Rhymes". An excellent stereo recording from 23rd June 1977 at the L.A. forum. Paper insert sleeve. Keith Moon does drum intros etc on Whole Lotta Love / Rock & Roll. The band destroys Kashmir & Page's guitar breaks down during Trampled Underfoot. Black Country Woman is not listed on the sleeve. Re-issued on OMRS 5472 with a blue black & white wrap around insert sleeve. Not from the original plates.

Side 1.
Sick Again (6:06)
Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:20)
Over The Hills & Far Away (6:24)
Black Country Woman (1:41)

Side 2.
Since I've Been Loving You (8:21)
Ten Years Gone (9:05)
Battle Of Evermore (4:44)

Side 3.
Going To California (5:12)
White Summer/Black Mountain Side/Kashmir (12:09)
Trampled Underfoot (6:51)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (11:17)
Whole Lotta Love/Rock & Roll (5:38)

Swiss Made

Japanese bootleg recorded in Zurich Switzerland 29th June 1980. Deluxe green & white sleeve taken from the dust sleeve of "In Through The Out Door" Album. Good Stereo recording. Rare due to it being Japanese and the limited number pressed. The first album to appear of the 1980 tour. Released serial # S8006.

Side 1.
Nobody's Fault But Mine (5:12)
Black Dog (4:43)
In The Evening (7:49)
The Rain Song (7:09)

Side 2.
Hot Dog (3:00)
All My Love (5:24)
Trampled Underfoot (7:49)
Since I've Been Loving You (9:03)

Side 3.
Achilles Last Stand (8:52)
White Summer/Black Mountain Side (9:03)
Kashmir (10:03)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (10:36)
Rock & Roll (3:18)
Heartbreaker (8:48)

Zoso '80

This one has no title on the cover. Song separation. European bootleg with a really nice deluxe brown & white gatefold sleeve.

Recorded on the first night in Mannheim, 2nd July 1980. Very Good stereo recording. The cover doesn't mention Train Kept a Rollin'. Serial # ZM 278. Deluxe lables listing the songs.

Side 1.
Black Dog (4:58)
In The Evening (7:06)
The Rain Song (6:36)
Hot Dog (3:01)

Side 2.
All My Love (5:05)
Trampled Underfoot (8:09)
Since I've Benn Loving You (8:33)
Train Kept A Rollin (2:51)

Side 3.
Achilles Last Stand (8:57)
White Summer/Black Mountain Side (8:40)
Kashmir (9:27)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (7:04)
Rock & Roll (3:13)
Whole Lotta Love (6:38)

From The Illustrated Collectors Guide To Led Zeppelin (Revised Edition) by Robert Godwin (Canada, 1987)

Reference # 30
Title: Destroyer
Source: Cleveland
Date(s): 4/27/77
Cover: Wrap around glossy Blue Red & Black slcik
Labels: Deluxe DRGM
Quality: Excellent Stereo
Company: DRGM
Matrix # DRGM 505 1-8
Country Of Origin: European
Comments: Taken from a soundboard recording. This is by far the best of the various different "Destroyers". The cover says it is from Seattle August 77, however the labels have the correct date on them.

Side 1.
Song Remains-Sick Again (9:52)
Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:25)

Side 2.
In My Time Of Dying (10:36)
Since I've Been Loving You (8:05)

Side 3.
No Quarter (19:20)

Side 4.
Ten Years Gone (8:43)
Battle Of Evermore (5:42)
Going To California (4:06)

Side 5.
Achilles Last Stand (19:30)

Side 6.
White Stummer-Black Mountain Side-Kashmir (13:15)
Stairway To Heaven (9:52)

Side 7.
Black Country Woman-Bron-y-Aur Stomp (6:45)
Rock & Roll (3:03)
Trampled Underfoot (6:26)

Side 8.
Out On The Tiles-Moby Dick (15:56)

Reference # 31
Title: Destroyer
Source: Cleveland
Date(s): 4/27/77
Cover: Custom Plastic Carrying Case
Labels: Deluxe DRGM
Quality: Very Good Stereo
Company: DRGM
Matrix # DRGM 505 A-H
Country Of Origin: U.S.A.
Comments: This is the American alternative to the European "Destroyer". Recorded the same night but with audience noise. The original came in a very nice carrying case. Later re-issued without the case, & then subsequently with a yellow & red slick. Also available as a very limited pressing on colored vinyl.

Comes with the same Matrix # as the European version but it is not from the same plates. Although this is a nicer package, it is inferior to the European original. The cover does not mention "Black Country Woman".

Side 1.
Song Remains-Sick Again (9:52)
Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:25)

Side 2.
In My Time Of Dying (10:36)
Since I've Been Loving You (8:05)

Side 3.
No Quarter (19:20)

Side 4.
Ten Years Gone (8:43)
Battle Of Evermore (5:42)
Going To California (4:06)

Side 5.
Achilles Last Stand (19:30)

Side 6.
White Stummer-Black Mountain Side-Kashmir (13:15)
Stairway To Heaven (9:52)

Side 7.
Black Country Woman-Bron-y-Aur Stomp (6:45)
Rock & Roll (3:03)
Trampled Underfoot (6:26)

Side 8.
Out On The Tiles-Moby Dick (15:56)


Reference # 42
Title: Eye Thank Yew
Source: Re-issue of "Swiss Made"
Date(s): 6/29/80
Cover: 4 color front, b&w back
Labels: 11 Records
Quality: Good Stereo
Company: Happy Hippo
Matrix # ZZYZX 030A-D
Country Of Origin: Germany
Comments: The cover says only 500 made.

Reference # 43
Title: Eye Thank Yew
Source: New York
Date(s): 7/27/73
Cover: 4 color deluxe front, black & white back
Lables: Plain White
Quality: Excellent Stereo
Company: Happy Hippo
Matrix # LZ-A1-2
Country Of Origin: Germany
Comments: This is all material taken from the movie "Song Remains The Same". The jacket is exactly the same as the double "Eye Thank Yew" except for a sticker over the song titles on the back.

Side 1.
Bron-y-Aur (0:57)
Black Dog (3:41)
Since I've Been Loving You (8:13)
Stairway To Heaven (10:58)

Side 2.
Dazed & Confused (27:53)

Reference # 52
Title: For Badge Holders Only
Source: L.A. Forum
Date(s): 6/23/77
Cover: Slick
Labels: Ruthless Rhymes
Quality: Excellent Stereo
Company: Dragonfly
Matrix # RE ONE TWO THREE FOUR
Country Of Origin: U.S.A.
Comments: Keith Moon does a guest appearance on "Whole Lotta Love-Rock & Roll". "Black Country Woman" is not listed on the cover. Re-issued as a limited edition of 100 numbered copies on colored vinyl as part of the LXXXIV series. Also re-issued by Original Masters Re-issue Series with the matrix # BH1 1-4, not the original plates, this had a blue black & white wrap around slick.

Side 1.
Sick Again (6:06)
Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:20)
Over The Hills & Far Away (6:24)
Black Country Woman (1:41)

Side 2.
Since I've Been Loving You (8:21)
Ten Years Gone (9:05)
Battle Of Evermore (4:44)

Side 3.
Going To California (5:12)
White Summer-Black Mountain Side-Kashmir (12:09)
Trampled Underfoot (6:51)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (11:17)
Whole Lotta Love/Rock & Roll (5:38)

Reference # 183
Title: Swiss Made
Source: Zurich Switzerland
Date(s): 6/29/80
Cover: Deluxe green & white
Labels: Plain white
Quality: Good Stereo
Company:
Matrix # S 8006A-D
Country Of Origin: Japan
Comments: This is the first album to be released of the 1980 tour. There is no company logo or name. This is quite rare.

Side 1.
Nobody's Fault But Mine (5:12)
Black Dog (4:43)
In The Evening (7:49)
The Rain Song (7:09)

Side 2.
Hot Dog (3:00)
All My Love (5:24)
Trampled Underfoot (7:49)
Since I've Been Loving You (9:03)

Side 3.
Achilles Last Stand (8:52)
White Summer-Black Mountain Side-Kashmir (19:06)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (10:36)
Rock & Roll (3:18)
Heartbreaker (8:48)

Reference # 206
Title: Zoso 80
Source: Mannheim
Date(s): 7/2/80
Cover: Deluxe brown & white Gatefold
Lables: Deluxe
Quality: Very Good Stereo
Company: Pepso
Matrix # ZM 278A-D
Country Of Origin: Europe
Comments: This has no title on the cover. Song separation. Nice gatefold sleeve. The cover doesn't mention "Train Kept A Rollin".

Side 1.
Black Dog (4:58)
In The Evening (7:06)
The Rain Song (6:36)
Hot Dog (3:01)

Side 2.
All My Love (5:05)
Trampled Underfoot (8:09)
Since I've Benn Loving You (8:33)
Train Kept A Rollin (2:51)

Side 3.
Achilles Last Stand (8:57)
White Summer-Black Mountain Side-Kashmir (9:27)

Side 4.
Stairway To Heaven (7:04)
Rock & Roll (3:13)
Whole Lotta Love (6:38)

Hot Wacks Book XV "The Last Wacks" by Robert Walker (Canada, 1995)

R = Recording: Ex = excellent, Vg = very good, G = good, s = stereo, m = mono.

S = Source.

C = Comments: Eb = European bootleg, Dcc = Deluxe color cover, Dbw = deluxe black & white cover, GF = gatefold, DL = deluxe label, CV = colored vinyl, MCV = multi-colored vinyl, SS = song separation.

Destroyer
DRGM 505
S1: Song Remains The Same/Sick Again/Nobodys Fault But Mine
S2: In My Time Of Dying/Since I've Been Loving You
S3: No Quarter
S4: Ten Years Gone/Battle Of Evermore/Going To California
S5: Guitar Solo/Achilles Last Stand
S6: White Stummer/Black Mountain/Kashmir/Stairway To Heaven
S7: Bron-y-Aur Stomp/Rock & Roll/Trampled Underfoot
S8: Out On The Tiles/Moby Dick
R: Exs. S: Cleveland Apr. 27 '77. C: Deluxe blue & red box set from the UK. Cover incorrectly gives date as Seattle Aug. '77. U.S. copy called 'Sweet Jelly Roll' (RSR 42777) with a Dcc released in '87. 'Destroyer' 2 CD sets minus S8 released by Archive Productions in '89 & The Swingin' Pig in '90. Dcc & insert book. Exs.

Destroyer
DRGM 505
R: Vgs. S: Cleveland Apr. 27 '77. C: US version of 'Destroyer' (DRGM 505). Not from same plates despite same matrix number. Available as a box set or with a unique plastic carrying case which holds the box set.

For Badge Holders Only
Dragonfly Recs. LZ1234
S1: Sick Again/Nobody's Fault But Mine/Over The Hills & Far Away
S2: Since I've Been Loving You/Ten Years Gone/The Battle Of Evermore
S3: Going To California/Black Mountain Side/Kashmir/Trampled Under Foot
S4: Stairway To Heaven/Medley: Whole Lotta Love/Rock 'N' Roll*
R: Exs. S: L.A.Forum June 23 '77. C. (*) intro and drums - Keith Moon. Rereleased from original plates with a Dcc. Part of 'The Final Option'.

For Badge Holders Only Part 1
OMRS5472D
R. Exm, crackles. C: Copy of 'For Badge Holders Only' (Dragonfly Recs.).

For Badge Holders Only
LXXXIV Series #13
C: Rerelease of 'For Badge Holders Only' on pink & MCV discs. Approx. 100 numbered copies.

Swiss Made
S8006
S1: Nobody's Fault But Mine/Black Dog/In The Evening/The Rain Song
S2: Hot Dog/All My Love/Trampled uner Foot/Since I've Been Loving You
S3: Achilles Last Stand/White Summer/Black Mountain Side/Kashmir
S4: Stairway To Heaven/Rock & Roll/Heartbreaker
R: Gm. S: Zurich, Switzerland June 29 '80. C: Japanese. Dbw.

Zeppelin Over Europe
Happy Hippo Records D. HIP 001
S1: Instrumental/black Dog/Since I've Been Loving You/Stairway To Heaven
S2: Dazed & Confused
R: Exs. C: Eb with a Dcc. 500 made. SS.

Zoso '80
ZM-278
S1: Black Dog/In The Evening/The Rain Song/Hot Dog
S2: All My Love/Trampled Under Foot/Since I've Been Loving You
S3: Achilles Last Stand/White Summer/Kashmir
S4: Stairway To Heaven/Rock & Roll/Whole Lotta Love
R: Exs. S: Mannheim July 2 '80 C: Eb. Deluxe brown & white cover. SS.
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