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Old 2005-09-24, 06:38 PM
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to me this is essential, manual pop/click remolval (if itīs caused by dirt) is always better beforehand.
what method do you use? I use Holgers "cheap thrill".
depends...for normal cleaning i usually D4 or GruvGlide, whatevers around

for "restoring" old vinyl, or if theres liquid or mold stains, i use Groovy Cleaner...that stuff is the ISH!!! fer real, well worth the 20 buckz to order...i've used maybe half the bottle in the last few years...i got it from these cats [who i've bought gear/vinyl from for years] -- http://turntablelab.com/index1.html [bottom of the dj accessories page 1]
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Old 2005-09-25, 02:29 AM
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I haven't got the books with me right here (I'm at my gf's house right now) but I flipped thru them yesterday and believe I have all the information necessary to identify these for you. I'll post back in the next few days stay tuned.
eye thank ewe
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1/3 isopropyl
2/3 distilled water
One drop non lathering detergent
micro fibre clothes
goes for under 10 euros.

btw I do the cleaning wet.

Sure one of those would be nice to have.
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Just to answer my own question. There is a vinyl LZ boot guide at the 'Tight but Loose' Dave Lewis site. Its the link to jeff Hoff collectors guide which lists vinyl
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good to know alg...thanks for the info
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what's the link for that? I'd love to have a peek

I'll be back with the info from my books in a few days when I get the net at home again.
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Old 2005-09-29, 04:36 PM
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http://www.tightbutloose.co.uk/tbllinksfs.html then Jeff Hoff link
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Old 2005-10-12, 12:19 PM
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Nice!
I love Zep boot vinyl.
I don't know why, when there are nice clean (and complete)
cd releases of the same shows in abundance.

Some really good info here about tt/record maintanence too.

Nice to meet some other vinyl enthusiasts. You folks outpace me by a mile, but
I'll be happy to have some knowledgable superiors about.

>alg>
I recognize two of the records you have. I have them too.
The book I use to ID my vinyl is by Robert Godwin.
It's old now and he has published newer editions I think.
Never ran across a record he didn't know about. He doesn't seem to have a web-site.

I'd never noticed the vinyl link on TBL. I'll have to check that out myself.

Did you find the info you were looking for?

I guess so, since this no one has posted to this thread for weeks.
I just noticed that after I looked up the info on your records and typed it into the message.

Actually, I did find that "Strange Tales From The Road
had the labels and matrix numbers switched on the last two discs.
He didn't mention that.... I'll have to check out TBL
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I'll post the info soon from the old Godwin guides ... still waiting to get connected at home
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Well, I can post it right now, if you don't mind and were intending to do it anyway.
Seemed like the question had already been answered, though.
Here are the cliff's notes to save bandwidth, if anybody wants the full details
I can edit the post.
This info came from Robert Godwin's
"The Illustrated Collector's Guide To Led Zeppelin" 3rd Edition;
1990 Robert Godwin Canada
(as well as a few of my own notes based on pieces in my collection)

The blue bg with Jimmy in sunglasses and white suit playing the doubleneck.
I knew that one immediately.

"For Badge Holders Only"
L.A. Forum 1977/06/23
LP Label: Ruthless Rhymes
Company: Dragonfly
Matrix Numbers: RE ONE TWO THREE FOUR

S1: SA, NBFBM, OTHAFA, Black Country Woman; S2: SIBLY, TYG, BOE
S3: GTC, WS/BMSide/Kashmir, TU; S4: STH, WLLove/RnR*
*with special guest Keith Moon (doing something er other)

Colored vinyl = reissue but only 100 ltd ed.
also
Original Masters Re-issue Series, Matrix Numbers: BH1 1-4 = re-issue, different plates
(Robert Godwin doesn't mention any dragonfly lp labels in the 3rd edition)
I'm pretty sure this is an AUD recording.
-------------------------------

"Destroyer"
I'm not 100% certain of the jacket you describe, but this should be the SBD Destroyer.
They played Cleveland two nights in a row in 77 and both boots
are commonly known as some variation of 'Destroyer'.
The SBD is available for the first night, 4/27.
If the matrix numbers are DRGM 505 A-H you've got the US issued SBD Destroyer.
Robert Godwin says that audience noise has been added to the recording.
I don't have this one, so that's all I can say.

"Black Country Woman" is left off the set list on the jacket.
It should open S7.

First issue came in a carrying case of some sort.
Re-issue has no case and further re-issues are yellow and black.
There is colored vinyl as well.
R.Godwin says that the colored vinyl has the same Mtx numbers as the European issue.
The only difference being that one has crowd noise 'piped in' and the other doesn't.
Again, I'm only retyping (and slightly rephrasing) what I've read here.

FWIW the second show is generally regarded as a superior performance, but
save the whole band getting totally lost in Kashmir
(a---nd a few sticky fingers episodes here and there)

it's not as bad as some people make it out to be.
------------------------------------------------------------------

The sepia one is "Zoso80". I recognized this one right off the bat as well.
Mannheim Germany 1980/07/02
'Train Kept a Rollin' is on the record, but not listed.
It should come at the end of side 2 after SIBLY.

Though most of the 1980 shows are SBD, this one sounds like an AUD to me,
but it's a really good recording.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Eye Thank Yew" could actually be stuff from TSRTS soundtrack
recorded at MSG 1973/07/27.
OR
could be the re-issue of "Swiss Made".

alg's matrix numbers match the latter.
In this case it would be a
SBD
from Zurich Switzerland 1980/06/29.

I don't own this record, but This show is widely available.
It was the first Zep boot tape I ever got
(many years after buying a thin sounding lp version of Earl's Court... nice cover, though)
There have been several re-issues of the CD titled "Tour Over Europe 1980" even.

Robert Godwin points out that the cheap pirating* of not only the movie soundtrack
but also of the original "Eye Thank Yew" jacket is also detectable by a sticker that
covered the original song titles.

*my words


Again, if anyone wants this typed up in a more systematic fashion I can always
edit this post and include full setlists.
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Old 2005-10-14, 05:18 PM
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Actually, TBL says that the "Eye Thank Yew" one is an AUD
I didn't know there was an AUD of Zurich.

Great link, thanks
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Just to answer my own question. There is a vinyl LZ boot guide at the 'Tight but Loose' Dave Lewis site. Its the link to jeff Hoff collectors guide which lists vinyl


Lots of misinformation on the Hoff site.


At least I see the misinformation as it pertains to all of the 4 Led Zeppelin shows that I recorded.

I also see misinformation on shows that I got directly from the tapers. But we'll not speak of that again. Let those master tapers come forward to speak of that.

Maybe Mr. Hoff is working in a vacuum, or maybe he has another agenda entirely, or maybe he isn't quite the expert he makes himself out to be.

Or maybe someone in the Led Zeppeliin trading community has so clouded the waters on the entire Led Zeppelin live recorded legacy that no one will ever be able to straighten it out...Gee, I wonder who could or would have done such a thing? Well, it doesn't take much presence of mind to figure that who would be behind such an occurance.


Again, I am no overall expert on Led Zeppelin, but I am 'the' expert on 4 specific recordings, only because I was at those shows and it's my recording which circulates (or is not in common circulation.) On these listings, Mr. Hoffs is dead wrong. (I can point out my voice on these recordings and I have done so to certain Led Zeppelin collectors, if verification is needed that I actually recorded these tapes.)


The question then begs: So, On how many other instances could Hoff be wrong, if on my work he is 100% dead wrong?

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Lots of misinformation on the Hoff site.


At least I see the misinformation as it pertains to all of the 4 Led Zeppelin shows that I recorded.

I also see misinformation on shows that I got directly from the tapers. But we'll not speak of that again. Let those master tapers come forward to speak of that.

Maybe Mr. Hoff is working in a vacuum, or maybe he has another agenda entirely, or maybe he isn't quite the expert he makes himself out to be.

Or maybe someone in the Led Zeppeliin trading community has so clouded the waters on the entire Led Zeppelin live recorded legacy that no one will ever be able to straighten it out...Gee, I wonder who could or would have done such a thing? Well, it doesn't take much presence of mind to figure that who would be behind such an occurance.


Again, I am no overall expert on Led Zeppelin, but I am 'the' expert on 4 specific recordings, only because I was at those shows and it's my recording which circulates (or is not in common circulation.) On these listings, Mr. Hoffs is dead wrong. (I can point out my voice on these recordings and I have done so to certain Led Zeppelin collectors, if verification is needed that I actually recorded these tapes.)


The question then begs: So, On how many other instances could Hoff be wrong, if on my work he is 100% dead wrong?
"Presence" of mind... nice one...

Thanks for your input on the site.
I noticed that it certainly wasn't complete, but have no other means of verifying his info.
I, for one, have absolutely no idea who 'in the Zeppelin trading community' could be
clouding the waters or why.... I don't know, ... could it be.... SATAN!
(sorry, you had to be watching 'Saturday Night Live' in the 80s to get that)
Unless it could be one or both of the sources quoted above.

Personally,
I've only ever come across one instance where Robert Godwin failed to mention
a detail about a record that I picked up. As far as I can tell. When it comes to vinyl,
he knows all.

Am I crossing a line unknown to the layman by asking you what shows you taped?
Just curious, as I've never even seen a live Led Zeppelin show.
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Am I crossing a line unknown to the layman by asking you what shows you taped?
Just curious, as I've never even seen a live Led Zeppelin show.
I've never seen 'em either, if you ask the undead..........

(sorry, you'd have to believe 21 year old TTD 'lounge lizards' in 05 to get that)

Let's just say that I am the taper of LZ 2/28/75 Baton Rouge....and we'll leave it at that.
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Old 2005-10-18, 06:05 AM
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Lots of misinformation on the Hoff site.


At least I see the misinformation as it pertains to all of the 4 Led Zeppelin shows that I recorded.

I also see misinformation on shows that I got directly from the tapers. But we'll not speak of that again. Let those master tapers come forward to speak of that.

Maybe Mr. Hoff is working in a vacuum, or maybe he has another agenda entirely, or maybe he isn't quite the expert he makes himself out to be.

Or maybe someone in the Led Zeppeliin trading community has so clouded the waters on the entire Led Zeppelin live recorded legacy that no one will ever be able to straighten it out...Gee, I wonder who could or would have done such a thing? Well, it doesn't take much presence of mind to figure that who would be behind such an occurance.


Again, I am no overall expert on Led Zeppelin, but I am 'the' expert on 4 specific recordings, only because I was at those shows and it's my recording which circulates (or is not in common circulation.) On these listings, Mr. Hoffs is dead wrong. (I can point out my voice on these recordings and I have done so to certain Led Zeppelin collectors, if verification is needed that I actually recorded these tapes.)


The question then begs: So, On how many other instances could Hoff be wrong, if on my work he is 100% dead wrong?
Thanks for the tantalising post......which begs the question. Do you know of a 'reliable' source of infomation ? I mean I have old hot wacks books but they make little comment beyond track listings. Most Zep sites now concentrate on CD versions rather than vinyl.
With regards to your question. The generic answer is that 'experts' rarely if ever 'are wrong' whatever the field.
Oh and are any of my tiny vinyl collection 'yours' ?
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