The Traders' Den  

  The Traders' Den > Where we go to learn ..... > Technobabble
 

Notices

Technobabble Post your general Need for Help questions here.
Lossy or Lossless?
Moderators

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 2006-12-06, 11:44 PM
mattstrike's Avatar
mattstrike mattstrike is offline
Lord of the Thighs
103.04 GB/435.36 GB/4.23
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Illadelph
Question Mac Tutorial

Hi,
I finally found a silver in my collection (Bad Religion, "Epitaph" 1992 Paradiso, Amsterdam - Living Legend Records in the blue jewel case) that no one seems to have seeded and I would love to contribute to the community. However, I am a little unsure of how to go about making the torrent correctly on my Mac. I am running 10.4.8, have xact, and I *think* I know what to do, but if some one could post a quick tutorial, that would be great - I couldn't find it in a post here...

I am also posting the frequency and spectrum (Audacity) screenshots - do these look okay?

Thanks...
mattstrike
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #2  
Old 2006-12-07, 07:20 AM
ffooky ffooky is offline
56.17 GB/77.80 GB/1.38
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Re: Mac Tutorial

For a kick off you need to go Audacity->Preferences->Spectograms->Display and set the Maximum Frequency to 24000.

Perform multiple (at least 3) rips of the disc with xACT and make an MD5 of the first one. if all the subsequent extractions pass the MD5 of the first then you're as sure as you can be that your rip is good. If you have a PPC Mac, Exact Audio Copy runs perfectly under Virtual PC. If you have an Intel Mac you can boot into XP with Boot Camp or use Parallels.

As to creating the torrent, you'll need to say which bit torrent client you're using but this is the guide as to what your torrent should contain. I always run any text file I create through LineBreak if it's for cross-platform consumption, selecting the DOS option.
__________________
Two tracks for a desert island:

Black Keys - I Got Mine
Tintern Abbey - Vacuum Cleaner
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #3  
Old 2006-12-07, 10:02 AM
U2Lynne's Avatar
U2Lynne U2Lynne is offline
TTD Staff
474.39 GB/2.01 TB/4.34
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Re: Mac Tutorial

As ffooky said, rip the tracks from the CD using xACT (go to the util tab and select CD Extraction, drag/drop the files from your CD there and then hit Execute). You will end up with a bunch of .wav files. Then, go to the encode tab and drop those wav files in the box, select flac, and Encode. You will now end up with a bunch of flac files. Then, go to the checksum tab, drop the flac files in that box, click Checksums, say you want to make them (not verify them) and hit Submit. Make a text file that has all the info about the show, including the lineage (in this case "Silver CD > xACT > wav > xACT > flac") and I also like to open the fingerprints file and paste them on the bottom there (just open the ffp file with the same text editor). Now, in your folder you should have a text file, the fingerprint file, and the flac files (you don't need the wav files anymore). To make a torrent using Azurues, see this FAQ. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
__________________
Five's Checksums Demystified - everything and anything you want to know about checksums
On a Mac? Get XLD to rip your CDs. Please see this guide - X Lossless Decoder (XLD): How to create flawless CD rips on Mac OS X


Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #4  
Old 2006-12-07, 11:19 AM
mattstrike's Avatar
mattstrike mattstrike is offline
Lord of the Thighs
103.04 GB/435.36 GB/4.23
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Illadelph
Re: Mac Tutorial

Hey,
Thanks you two. I appreciate the help.
Did the sepctrum look good, or did those images not really tell you anything?

One more thing - Lynne, you mention converting them to WAV files, is converting them to AIFF (which I understand to be native to Mac OS) and different? They are both lossless, correct? Or is the issue cross-platform?

Thanks again.
(PS - I am using Transmission and Bit Torrent as clients...)
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #5  
Old 2006-12-07, 11:56 AM
U2Lynne's Avatar
U2Lynne U2Lynne is offline
TTD Staff
474.39 GB/2.01 TB/4.34
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Re: Mac Tutorial

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattstrike
Hey,
Thanks you two. I appreciate the help.
Did the sepctrum look good, or did those images not really tell you anything?

One more thing - Lynne, you mention converting them to WAV files, is converting them to AIFF (which I understand to be native to Mac OS) and different? They are both lossless, correct? Or is the issue cross-platform?

Thanks again.
(PS - I am using Transmission and Bit Torrent as clients...)
It wouldn't matter if you converted to aiff or to wav, however, I think the recent version of xACT will only convert to wav, not aiff, because of some issues xACT was having. I forgot to mention that after you convert to wav, you will get a window from xACT that tells you if everything extracted correctly. I always copy that window and then save the contents as a .log file.

You may want to look at this thread which explains all the steps: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ighlight=guide
__________________
Five's Checksums Demystified - everything and anything you want to know about checksums
On a Mac? Get XLD to rip your CDs. Please see this guide - X Lossless Decoder (XLD): How to create flawless CD rips on Mac OS X


Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #6  
Old 2006-12-07, 12:54 PM
mattstrike's Avatar
mattstrike mattstrike is offline
Lord of the Thighs
103.04 GB/435.36 GB/4.23
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Illadelph
Re: Mac Tutorial

Quote:
Originally Posted by U2Lynne
I think the recent version of xACT will only convert to wav, not aiff, because of some issues xACT was having.
Lynne - I am using xACT 1.58 and it is giving me no probs when converting to AIFF. FYI.

Thanks again for the info...
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #7  
Old 2006-12-07, 04:31 PM
AAR.oner's Avatar
AAR.oner AAR.oner is offline
TTD Staff
1.11 TB/1.41 TB/1.27
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Re: Mac Tutorial

a fwiw...i prefer extracting to .wav over .aiff since its cross-platform compatible, and then you can include a .wav checksum with the file set

and always include the extraction log as Lynne pointed out
__________________
TTD's Gear Lust Forum -- info & reviews on taping gear
The Basics of EQing
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #8  
Old 2006-12-12, 06:49 PM
Wsucks's Avatar
Wsucks Wsucks is offline
Veteran of 'Sharingthegroove'
431.14 GB/446.49 GB/1.04
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bluegrass State
Re: Mac Tutorial

Got a Mac question.

I'm fairly knowledgable about all things Mac and music compression/extraction generally, however, I've recently run across file sets that I am having problems burning.

On some other BT sites I'm coming across .ape and .flac files that are accompanied with a .cue file. I'm familar with all the file types, but I'm used to seeing .bin files with a .cue file. These sets contain one long .flac or .ape file, and the indexing for disc is contained in the .cue file.

Problem is I can't find software to burn a .cue file without a .bin file. I've learned that Windows has an app called foobar that will burn these two files into the original disc image, but thus far I've not found a Mac equivilant.

Any suggestions? All help appreciated!
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #9  
Old 2006-12-12, 08:03 PM
ffooky ffooky is offline
56.17 GB/77.80 GB/1.38
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Re: Mac Tutorial

It's possible to burn a cue/wav (or other audio format) combo under OS X but it's a bit of a kludge or requires the ability to install and run cdrdao:
Code:
cdrdao write --device IODVDServices --driver generic-mmc my.cue
Make sure the relevant WAV is in the same directory as the CUE.

Burn, Disco and LiquidCD *will* burn cue/wav combos but there are apparently problems (see last post).

Your best bet is to split the audio file according to the cue and the primo app for that is XLD. The author updates the prog with dizzying frequency so I advise you to check every week or so. Once split you can burn/archive as usual but you will of course lose any pregaps and 00 INDEXES.
__________________
Two tracks for a desert island:

Black Keys - I Got Mine
Tintern Abbey - Vacuum Cleaner
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #10  
Old 2006-12-12, 08:22 PM
Wsucks's Avatar
Wsucks Wsucks is offline
Veteran of 'Sharingthegroove'
431.14 GB/446.49 GB/1.04
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bluegrass State
Re: Mac Tutorial

Thanks, I'll check out both options.
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #11  
Old 2006-12-12, 09:24 PM
U2Lynne's Avatar
U2Lynne U2Lynne is offline
TTD Staff
474.39 GB/2.01 TB/4.34
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Re: Mac Tutorial

Damn, ffooky, is there anything you don't know about macs? I would love to know what you do for a living!
__________________
Five's Checksums Demystified - everything and anything you want to know about checksums
On a Mac? Get XLD to rip your CDs. Please see this guide - X Lossless Decoder (XLD): How to create flawless CD rips on Mac OS X


Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #12  
Old 2006-12-13, 06:52 AM
ffooky ffooky is offline
56.17 GB/77.80 GB/1.38
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Re: Mac Tutorial

Quote:
Originally Posted by U2Lynne
Damn, ffooky, is there anything you don't know about macs?
Well how to get cdrdao to compile on my Intel iMac for a start
Quote:
I would love to know what you do for a living!
So would I.

It's good to bang the drum for XLD because it doesn't appear on Version Tracker and it's a terrific little bit of kit.
__________________
Two tracks for a desert island:

Black Keys - I Got Mine
Tintern Abbey - Vacuum Cleaner
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #13  
Old 2006-12-13, 05:42 PM
ohkeepa's Avatar
ohkeepa ohkeepa is offline
time for the last rewind
838.29 GB/2.36 TB/2.88
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: in the hall of dismay
Re: Mac Tutorial

im starting to get annoyed that I still cant play SHNs on my macbook
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #14  
Old 2006-12-13, 06:22 PM
ffooky ffooky is offline
56.17 GB/77.80 GB/1.38
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Re: Mac Tutorial

SHN has absolutely no point nowadays. I'd wouldn't even recommend archiving anything in that format even if it was the way it was received as it's pretty likely that decreasing numbers of software players will support it. Make an ST5 of your SHN files, drop them into xACT's encode pane and convert them to FLAC or WavPack. Label the ST5 you made so it's clear it relates to your original SHNs and you should be able to check if any other sources of the tracks you come across in the future are identical or not.
__________________
Two tracks for a desert island:

Black Keys - I Got Mine
Tintern Abbey - Vacuum Cleaner
Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
  #15  
Old 2006-12-13, 07:01 PM
U2Lynne's Avatar
U2Lynne U2Lynne is offline
TTD Staff
474.39 GB/2.01 TB/4.34
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: California
Re: Mac Tutorial

Have you tried MacAmp, Shawn? I stopped using that since cog plays all my files (even shn). I've occassionally got the problem launching the application but just used the fix they link to and everything would be fine.
__________________
Five's Checksums Demystified - everything and anything you want to know about checksums
On a Mac? Get XLD to rip your CDs. Please see this guide - X Lossless Decoder (XLD): How to create flawless CD rips on Mac OS X


Reply With Quote Reply with Nested Quotes
Reply

The Traders' Den > Where we go to learn ..... > Technobabble

Similar Threads
Thread Forum Replies Last Post
ISO EAC Configuration Tutorial - xnikki6x Technobabble 10 2009-05-27 03:34 PM
MakeTorrent v2.1 Tutorial - Five Technobabble 0 2006-02-09 04:31 PM
Vegas Tutorial??? - mauijason Technobabble 3 2005-10-20 06:56 PM


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forums


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:40 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - , TheTradersDen.org - All Rights Reserved - Hosted at QuickPacket