What's with Hungercity again?

[nutzrocker]

Up to now I did not see anything sinister about the ratio for donations system which I always looked at more as a gift for your donation rather than just taking the donation for nothing.

The pathetic soap opera that has become HC over the last couple of years and reading many of the comments written here on the subject of cash for ratio has got me looking at the subject from a different angle.

To be honest I'm torn between opinions. I can still see good points but like so many good things in this world it is open to abuse and can be used by abusers as a get out of jail free card.

I could say much about HC but I think I've previously said all That was needed. It's been a very upsetting experience watching someone press the self destruct button on something you've put years of work into. A place you've made many friends and a place that is like a second home. Now all that remains is to sit back and watch it all go up in smoke.

[mike1061]

To me, the donation for GBs never bothered me at all. In fact it helped a little back when I had slower internet speeds. I doubt people could actuly buy there way out of seeding. You don't get that much of a change in your ratio.
No it doesn't fit the trader vibe, but bit torrenting doesn't either.
Thanks
Mike

[RamesesII]

Agree 100% with nutzrocker. Not everyone has a super fast connection and being able to gain a few gbs for a donation which helps out the tracker as well was a welcome bonus. HC was fun and a great community. It is so sad to see it come crashing down in the way that it has. Nobody is going to become a millionaire from tracker donations. However a lot of people have donated recently in good faith (one guy several hundred dollars) and they have been treated disgracefully.

[anglomuse]

Originally Posted by RamesesII

It's a great shame as there was a great community over at HC thanks to all the staff there who were amazing. They worked so hard and have been treated disgracefully. They were good to warn members not to send any more donations although after my last one was completely ignored until Erik was good enough to sort it for me there wasn't much fear of that. A lot of other members were treated in the same way - sent substantial donations and not a word of thanks, kiss my **** or any other kind of reply. So where's all the money gone and why yet another demand for even more funds?

From now on donations will be going to sites such as this one where they won't be falling into a bottomless pit.

Same thing happened to me....a shame, really.

Originally Posted by mike1061

I doubt people could actuly buy there way out of seeding. You don't get that much of a change in your ratio.

You and I might not have our ratios affected by a $20 donation, but there are a lot of n00bs who sign up, download until their poor ratios automatically suspend their accounts, and then they are stuck there until they can make up the difference. They can't get uploader status. They, more than likely than not, have leeched old shows that no one else will be leeching soon. And, with their accounts frozen, they can't jump on active torrents to improve their ratios. Remember that HC citizens are forbidden from running more than one account from the same IP. I would assume that a user in this position could not delete and add a second (or third or fourth) account and start over, based on the assumption that she or he would repeat the same leechy behavior the next time around (and, to be fair to HC, that assumption is not unreasonable).

This scenario is well documented in the HC forum. Users in this position would pop up there with fair regularity asking how to regain good standing, and it was not uncommon for them for them to be told that, if they made a donation, that would get them out of the dog house.

[bot]

Originally Posted by vladsmythe

Great suggestion. Hubs are also a great alternative, where many new treasures are still being shared.

Originally Posted by sgolston

Can you say more or provide a pointer re: hubs, vlady? I'm not sure what you're referring to.....

Originally Posted by daddyray

Karmacity!

(but someone who is self focused might think that was about them. )

Anyone can create a free forum at GroupSpaces. They can be public or private. <-quick example
the free package could host roughly 5000 torrent files. lol

[Igemo75]

Funny I discovered HC in 2008 at the same time as I discovered "Breaking Bad".

They both end at the same time... in a bloodbath!

[myshadow]

there was a site wide posting telling people NOT to donate....naturally a week after I gave 15 bucks...and thought it odd that I never got credit in ratio bonus they promise...the swindle thing is unnerving.

[vladsmythe]

You aren't alone. In spite of that experience, I think that this tracker is worthy of your support - $$ or otherwise. The staff here at TTD is responsive, and respectful of the members here.

[CAF]

Originally Posted by direwolf-pgh

it used to be I'd mail you my list and you'd mail me your list. then we'd work out a tape trade. same tapes / same quantity .. and no high-speed dubbing. right?

the fact I know what you're talking about takes me back about 30 years :-)

We used to bad-mouth high-speed dubbers to other traders the way we name and shame vine-killers now.

[CAF]

Originally Posted by Bugs

A couple of complications with the system that I saw was the fact that people whose ratios were in the gutter at HC were encouraged to buy their way out the shit-gif; it also appeared that there were people who would join, drop a few hundred bucks, and then leech through their giant purchased ratio without seeding a kilobyte.

Personally, I don't see any harm to me if someone else improves their ratio, or leeches GBs of shows, in return for a donation that keeps the site going. After all, none of the zeros and ones they are downloading are disappearing from my hard drive.

[LuvGlimmerTwins]

Originally Posted by CAF

Personally, I don't see any harm to me if someone else improves their ratio, or leeches GBs of shows, in return for a donation that keeps the site going. After all, none of the zeros and ones they are downloading are disappearing from my hard drive.

[Igemo75]

I don't agree.. It aways irated me to see ppl with a 0.351 ratio ( = the mininum of the minimum) get as much stuff as they could. I couldn't help but think "that's some music no one's ever gonna see again" cos they were never gonna leech it to others*.

I'm from the school that says "leech to members of confidence only . They'll always be there for others".

* some of them were SO clueless they thought torrent sites were some kind of free musical 'grab all you can" buffet... "How do you say? Leeching..."

[overhead]

In regards this subject,I have this very evening watched someone download a torrent on my client,via another tracker that I'm a member of,and as soon as the download was complete,they were off.
I checked the download history of that guy,and sure enough,his ratio was way low,but he had downloaded pages and pages of stuff,but no attempt to seed it back.
On the same tracker a guy asked me to seed a show for him.I checked the tracker and it was already being seeded.I checked his profile - same story - sixteen pages of completed shows,low ratio and seeding nothing.I pointed this out,and he suddenly put eight shows into his client to get me to seed.Seems he wanted a faster download.I pointed out to him that the longer it took for him to download,the longer he'd be seeding the bits he had got back,and left him to probably ask others to do the same.
Every tracker I'm a member of there's loads of people like that.Grab everything and seed nothing.They never post in the forums or bother to click the thanks button,if there is one either.Keep quiet and leech away.It's probably amongst that group,that you'll find the bootlegers and eBay sellers.
I can't really see those sort of people wanting to pay money to get a good ratio,'cos they don't give a shit.

[direwolf-pgh]

agreed. if leeches donated ~ trackers would never go offline

p.s. we don't 'do ratios' here. its the honor system.