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Old 2007-06-05, 12:00 PM
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mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

Can anyone actually HEAR any quality difference between a shn original file and high bitrate mp3 convert?

i don't mean "loss of data within human hearing range"... i know data are lost... what i'm asking is whether the lost IN QUALITY is perceivable....

i just converted a bunch of shn files to mp3, and on my 5 bucks speaker, i can just barely hear enough difference to know that they're not the same, but that's only if i put the speaker right on my ear and play it with very low volume...

if i have to say,short of living in a sound proof chamber, the humming from an average computer probably spoils the sound more than than the conversion from shn to mp3... either that or i happen to be deaf in those frequencies lost during the conversion.
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Old 2007-06-05, 12:19 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

yes

of course, you are asking "audiophiles", who i guarantee aren't listening on 5 dollar speakers, nor on the computer
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Old 2007-06-05, 01:06 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

about every month there's a thread about mp3 saying "I can't hear the diff!!", well most average ppl can't and that's why this is a rare site.

there's another issue with encoding where if any small change needs to be made to the mp3 audio including simply retracking it you have to double-compress it, then it gets burned to a disc and extracted while playing cpu-intense video games adding some crackes, then re-encoded to mp3 by another guy (triple-compressed) and so on and so on.

go find some of the other threads with "mp3" in the title and you'll see endless discussions on this, or just repeat to yourself "no mp3 at ttd" and you'll sleep better at night.
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Old 2007-06-05, 01:10 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

(484.06 MB/0.00 KB/0.00) that can't be correct, can it?
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Old 2007-06-05, 01:30 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

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or just repeat to yourself "no mp3 at ttd" and you'll sleep better at night.


I can definitely hear the difference in my car when I play a lossless CDR vs a CDR made from high bitrate mp3s. I can't tell much of a difference on my computer though.
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(484.06 MB/0.00 KB/0.00) that can't be correct, can it?
Sure it could be. He probably hopped on a torrent where there was a seeder or two but no other leechers, so he only downloaded. Hopefully he stays connected so if another leecher comes along, he can payback the favor by seeding it for the new guy.
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Old 2007-06-05, 04:03 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

(484.06 MB/0.00 KB/0.00)

yeah that's right, it's my first download on this site and there was one seeder, and i am the only one downloading...
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Old 2007-06-05, 04:16 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

oh, I see

you should open it up again that or else make up the diff on another torrent

no obligation its just a nice thing to do... probably nobody's gonna jump on if they don't see that you're ready to seed to them.
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

I still know people who can't tell the difference from vinyl and CD
Even playing the same track on respective players & flicking 1 to other for comparison
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

I am not that bad off lol But I am going deaf in my left ear so I can't hear the difference. But just incase I magicaly get my hearing back (haven't in 20 years lol) I leave them the way I download them when I listen on my PC . But I do understand why NOT to trade the mp3's .. That is just common sense lol But wanted to actually make a post now that I seem to have more free time now lol
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Old 2007-06-05, 09:14 PM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

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I am not that bad off lol But I am going deaf in my left ear so I can't hear the difference. But just incase I magicaly get my hearing back (haven't in 20 years lol) I leave them the way I download them when I listen on my PC . But I do understand why NOT to trade the mp3's .. That is just common sense lol But wanted to actually make a post now that I seem to have more free time now lol
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Anyway, back to the person who started this thread, one more voice to say keep your mp3s to yourself--never pollute the trading pool by distributing them...those who can tell the difference won't be pleased if you do!

(Can we have a sticky in here on the lossy/lossless debate so this crap doesn't recur every month or so?)
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Old 2007-06-06, 12:55 AM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

great idea
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

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or just repeat to yourself "no mp3 at ttd" and you'll sleep better at night.
all last night, there were these swishy, muddied little voices in my head repeating "no mp3 at ttd"

damn you mp3!!!!!!!!!!


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Old 2007-06-06, 07:25 AM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

what is an "mp3"? Is that like an 8 track cartridge? Or one of those wax cylinders? Wax cylinders are VERY lossy, you know...
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Old 2007-06-06, 09:59 AM
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Icon6 Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

What is an mp3? I think it's really spelled eMPty3. Everyone gets it wrong.



Before they invented magnetic tape to record on, they recorded onto spools of wire. No joke.

Wire recorders are kinda lossy, too...


78 rpm records that were recorded through a horn?

Ya ever seen how they used to get those recordings, arranging musicians in front of a horn hooked up physically to a diaphragm that physically was connected to the needle that scratched the recording into a master disc. Amazing. That's some true organic old-school recording techniques. Pro-Tools ain't got nothin' on that stuff!

Wax cylinders rock!
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Old 2007-06-07, 08:30 AM
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Re: mp3/lossless question for audiophiles...

ok i am gonna download something i don't want just to get my seed ratio up, 2 days of seeding a torrent and no one is downloading
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