[lehnhard]

Originally Posted by tbirdbuzz

Is there any reason to save flac files once it is transferred to a .wav? I just noticed how much disk space they suck up. I can't think of any reason to save them since I could take the wavs and run them thru multi frontend again to create new flacs.

I'm sure we can see FIVE here very soon, I'm interested in his reply too but not because of the disk space, I'd like to know this for a correct lineage.

FIVE, ages ago you wrote :

***Unknown mics & recorder > Master Cassette Sony CrO2-90 played back on JVC TD-W 209> JVC XL-R5010 stand alone burner > Fuji audio CDR(0) > Fuji audio CDR(1) > EAC > WAV > CEP 2.1 (retracking only, no nr, eq, etc. whatsoever) > FLAC (level 8)

be so kind and let me know

a) what is the difference to do it this way instead of connecting the tape deck / recording direct to the harddisk, is this way better for lossless quality or what's the reason ?

b) if this lineage is complete, you didn't know it better, right ?
see, weeks ago the same happened to me, but you asked for more info ?

c) so if I got it right, cdr (0) of this show is the digital master and for that a lossless (?) first generation cdr copy, right ?

Lossless first generation ?

d) that means your copy of that show labeled as cdr (1) is a second generation copy because the master tapes is boxed again, right ?


e) --> Example : <-- if I would join files of this - or any other - show together to one big wavfile because (again) I want to edit out blank space, commercials or do some other edits, is this wavfile ( copied all files one by one and saved as.. - not a software generated - merged - file) a lossy third generation copy and the - later burned - cdr is a fourth generation copy only, as it is a copy from the second generation copy and the "original" second generation files on the harddisk can now removed or better should be saved forever to create more second, third or fourth generation copies if needed ?

So that means a copy is a copy is a copy ? LOSSLESS or lossy ? And creating flac/shn/ape files from the edited version means to add another generation or is it a must to save them as wav files ?

f) --> Example : <-- If you have trasfered the music of any master-tape to the harddisk by connecting the tape machine direct to the soundcard usually you now have a big wavfile. To create single tracks you create a cue-sheet or in any other way you prefer. If you're ready you can burn a cdr using the cue sheet and if that's done, you start extracting the files back to the harddisk by using EAC ( or you can use cue-splitter and have the single files in the same directory very soon - ). Anyway, in both ways the "original" file(s) is / are untouched as they are still on the cdr and / or the big wavfile is still on the harddisk too. So the files we are now working with are lossless or a (first gen) lossless copy ??

FIVE, didn't expect that enjoying and sharing good music is such a difficult to understand process. Can you give me an example for the unknown lineage of a traded tape 20 years ago?

aud - unknown mics / recorder - unknown gen - traded tape from an now unknown trader (he moved & I lost his -mail- addy -) - played on XYZxxxxxx - stand alone burner ABC - cdr(0) for master copy of the mastertape

OR

if the tape was a third gen aud rec, we have now a fourth gen cdr master and the lineage goes like this

aud - unknown mics / recorder - unknown gen - traded tape from an now unknown trader (he moved & I lost his mail addy -) - played on XYZxxxxxx - stand alone burner ABC - cdr(0) for master ...... (4) - EAC - pc - edit - flac8 - md5 - FA - SA - screenshots - torrent - upload - seeding - you -

Who has the time to check that ? For writing all these "true" lineages you need another (virtual) pc connected to the other machine 24/7!

That would explain why so many people suddenly listed a former third (or unknown) gen tape as master CDR, another digitally transformation and a miracle too. We all say thank you to the lineage professionals : Thank you
it is difficult to understand but for some people it works.

g) so that means that every downloaded show is a lossless copy but with two more generations to add if you cannot save all the flac/shn/ape.... files and you have copy the files back to the harddisk from a cdr ??

Is that the secret behind the story that a few sites do not allow this way
any longer (d/l - wav - cdr - eac - harddisk - flac - u/l) ?

Are you sure you can believe in any lineage ?

thanks for your help

PS: I still enjoy good music ....... if I have any free time beside learning everything about lineage and generations.