Alrighty I figured it out!!! It was BitTornado I used uTorrent again and it worked fine I even got to stay and seed!! about 50 to 60 KB/s which is good enough I suppose. Better than nothing. I screwed up earlier using uTorrent by taking the partially downloaded files from Tornado and started them up with uTorrent. Something wasn't working right when I did that so I just started one up all on it's own on uTorrent and it worked nicely!! So i'm ready to go now I got my ports open and my new client!! thanks for all the info evryone it was damn useful!!!! Bill