glad saltman brought that up, didn't even notice those weren't tape-based...so ter lookin in the $500-$600 range?
seems a lot of folks are really pleased with the Canon HV30s and 40s [i've never used one personally], but B&H has got a great deal on the HV40 right now:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...efinition.html
also ya might look for a used Sony HDR-HC9 or similar
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