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Anyone that has never heard of MySql should definitely shut their yaps. The custom templates of sites like this one make upgrading components like apache, or MySql tricky to say the least, especially Vbulletin forums with trackers stitched to them. Starting over with something like Gazelle [think redacted or Orpheus] is probably less work, but still requires above average coding skills and plenty of time. Also if you do that, it's unlikely you could import any data, hence you lose your history. Never fails the ones that bitch the most contribute the least.

Hey! If every active member pitched in 3 little dollars, you'd have enough to pay for a whole new site build and have enough leftover to cover a year of the host lease! Simply do a private gofundme, less than a coffee at DD for crying out loud! This Place has given to you for 17 yrs, maybe it's time to give back, instead of abusing the staff.