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enemamilkshake
2007-07-19, 12:38 PM
UPDATED: I got this email from him tonight. mind you I havent replied to his emails nor will I.

Hi dude,

I guess you don't like jokes mate, and i guess i
should have sent this right after the e-mail i sent,
but i am getting pissed off with so many e-mails
asking where trades are or if i have sent.
I had to send it slow mail as it was going to cost me
$42.00 to send it air mail. 30 discs are pretty heavy
dude.
If this is the 1st time i am telling you it's only
because i have 9 trades going (to many) and i am
finding it hard to keep track :( i have bit off more
than i can chew.
I shall go to the post office tomorrow and find out
exactly where your disc's are mate, i shall e-mail you
when i find out dude.
Sorry again for the "silly" e-mail.
I asure you, your discs are on the way!

D.


Im not holding my breath. and I wont take back all the posts Ive made about him all over the "huge" internet. Im not even mad. I just want others to know about this ^&%#@!&. Thanks for reading guys.






This guy got me for 13 dvd's. then when I asked about our trade I got this email:

"Hi Mate, what ever your name is???

Here is what is happening with our trade!

YOU have been ripped off...lol...lol...lol.

Thankyou for the dvd's, they shall come to hell with me when i die...lol...lol.
Don't worry, your not the 1st i have ripped off, nor shall you be the last, the internet is so huge that you can't really hurt my trading, and i have moved house in the last 2 weeks, you can't find me....lol...lol.
Don't feel to bad, i have done it before, and shall do it again (am doing it again now).
Don't think you shall see me in your neck of the woods again!

SUCKER!!!!
maybe you'll think twice with a trade this big in the future...hahahahahaha.

BYE!!!!"

Heres his info. avoid like the plague

Email: [email protected]

XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX
Australia 2747

Mr. Magoo
2007-07-19, 01:34 PM
Damn, that sucks man. I hate a$$holes like that. They give us all a bad name.

Trader Dave
2007-07-19, 01:37 PM
Damn, that sucks man. I hate a$$holes like that. They give us all a bad name.

I never knew there were assholes that had a good name.

DamageInc777
2007-07-19, 02:51 PM
I never knew there were assholes that had a good name.
:lol

vladsmythe
2007-07-19, 02:58 PM
I googled his name and he gets around here's one listing:

BAD TRADER
Lawlesswasp - Kingswood NSW Australia
1st sends me defective discs, then rips me off altogether.
BEWARE

He's getting famous I guess. Are the Brits still sending there criminals to Australia?

Festafarian
2007-07-19, 04:42 PM
Wow, that's amazing. :wtf:

GRC
2007-07-19, 04:55 PM
Are the Brits still sending there criminals to Australia?

No, but one of my workmates just voluntarily moved to New Zealand.

To the original poster; Why not look up the local police force in the area for the address given, pass the details on, and ask them to pursue the low-life scum that he is?

That's what they're paid to do - and if they get the impression that the low-life is bringing their country into disrepute, it will motivate them to find him even more. They don't need to know what was on the CDs, merely that the trader at the other end agreed to an exchange, and didn't carry out his end of the deal, leaving you significantly out of pocket.

Regards, Graham

vladsmythe
2007-07-19, 05:02 PM
Good logic GRC, but don't tell the fuzz that I'm going there for three weeks next summer. Talk about disrepute!

GRC
2007-07-19, 05:08 PM
You can almost see his house from here;

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-33.759,150.720&spn=0.015,0.025&t=k

Alternative strategy; write to 'The Occupier' at the address given, on the assumption that he has moved on; ask if the occupier has a mail forwarding address, and if they'll e-mail it to you?

Find out which postal service covers that area, and again, ask if there's a mail forward in operation for the address, etc ...?

Mail his neighbours, ask if they have a forwarding address...?

Get resourceful. Get even.

Regards, Graham

lbrow65
2007-07-19, 05:19 PM
hey vladsmythe , dont slag off on us Aussies, we arent all like that....well not all of us anyway lol. cant beleive that someone would admit to doing it like that. Did a little poking around and there are 4 XXXXXX in NSW at the moment. Is there any more information on this guy?

vladsmythe
2007-07-19, 05:24 PM
Yes...lbrow! Of course! Guys, lbrow is our man. Go get him buddy. Did I ever send you my list? I finally did update it.

Jim
2007-07-19, 05:42 PM
:down: I feel so bad for you. I know the feeling. Early this year I did a trade with a guy from Az, his name is Tom. He burnt me for 6 cdrs. Then a month ago this jerk from England Chris sent me 3 cdrs. After he sent it he said he listened to one of the cdrs he had sent and found a bad skip on one. Why didn't he listen to the original before burning or the finished burn?? Then that asshole put the other 2 cdrs of a Genesis show in between the paper artwork with no envelope. He put the 2 cdrs with the side you play facing each other and subequently got scratched in the mailing process. I contacted him he said he would redo and I choose another one for the one he listened to. Now no more answers to my emails. Why would anyone not put cds in a cd envelope. Theyre bound to scratch when the mail is thrown around. To top it off he did not send them in a padded envelope/bubble bag but a regular envelope. What a complete idiot! :mad: :nono:

vladsmythe
2007-07-19, 05:45 PM
Was he one of those English sex pistols kind of guys who like to pierce themselves with rusty objects? That would explain it. Inbred maybe?

ijwthstd
2007-07-20, 12:35 AM
No, but one of my workmates just voluntarily moved to New Zealand.

To the original poster; Why not look up the local police force in the area for the address given, pass the details on, and ask them to pursue the low-life scum that he is?

That's what they're paid to do - and if they get the impression that the low-life is bringing their country into disrepute, it will motivate them to find him even more. They don't need to know what was on the CDs, merely that the trader at the other end agreed to an exchange, and didn't carry out his end of the deal, leaving you significantly out of pocket.

Regards, Graham


Personally I think voluntarily getting the authorities involved in any aspect of our hobby is NOT a good thing to. I wouldn't call a cop on a trade gone bad anymore than I would on a drug deal gone bad.

SpotTheLooney
2007-07-20, 09:40 AM
I gave up on trading many years ago because of someone like him....

I refuse to be a sucker again, so I just avoid reading trade lists altogether so I won't be tempted to do it again...Thank the lord that we have TTD and DIME and such, so It's easy to get a good collection without trading....

sorry this happened to you.....hope it works out..
Peace

Trader Dave
2007-07-20, 03:11 PM
Personally I think voluntarily getting the authorities involved in any aspect of our hobby is NOT a good thing to. I wouldn't call a cop on a trade gone bad anymore than I would on a drug deal gone bad.
I'm sure they would laugh at him. I doubt it would be considered to something like drugs.

enemamilkshake
2007-07-20, 11:12 PM
I dont really want to get revenge on the guy or anything like that. I just wanted to make others aware of this douche. I will continue to snail mail trade. I will just change my rules so if you contact me you send first. I have done about 150 or so trades snail mail so I was lucky to go as long as I did without running into guys like that. Thanks for all the replies!

Jim
2007-07-21, 12:15 AM
Hey I know how you feel. I got burned twice this year and almost three times. The last one was a woman, I got on her back as so to speak, she finally sent my cd. Yes, now I only send when I get it, if it is a trader new to me.[COLOR=Orange]

Festafarian
2007-07-22, 08:51 AM
I gave up on trading many years ago because of someone like him....

I refuse to be a sucker again, so I just avoid reading trade lists altogether so I won't be tempted to do it again...Thank the lord that we have TTD and DIME and such, so It's easy to get a good collection without trading....

sorry this happened to you.....hope it works out..
Peace

That's too bad that you have given up on trading. I have been burned a couple of times, but that's bound to happen.

I can't even count how many trades have gone well. I have made friends all over the world. It would be a shame to have let one bad trader get in the way of that.

Salva Veritate
2007-08-09, 12:46 AM
That's too bad that you have given up on trading. I have been burned a couple of times, but that's bound to happen.

I can't even count how many trades have gone well. I have made friends all over the world. It would be a shame to have let one bad trader get in the way of that.
Same here. I've traded Rage shows with like 15 different people from Korea to Switzerland to Michigan. I've only had a problem once so far, and it was with a French dude who was seriously laggy on sending his shows (2 weeks or so). A few of them I still talk with from time to time about completely non-trade related stuff.

What I do before I make a big trade is look for the trader's username/email on Google or from other traders (the good/bad traders subforum here is great for that) and see if it's connected to any bad traders lists.

Festafarian
2007-08-09, 09:20 AM
:thumbsup Good advice

efooo
2011-09-25, 02:35 PM
I'm posting this because this guy is being a pain in the butt for every trader! Credit goes to Neoplasmah

Nickname: lawlesswasp
Real Name: XXXX XXXXX
Country: Australia
Email address: [email protected]
Occupation: bad trader and part of Staff of Hallowed Bootlegs and other boards

Please do not trade anything (audio or video) with him or you will be deceived and ripped off like i was.
Please pass the word to everyone, traders, filmers, tapers, collectors, simple fans, etc...! Everyone!
Please help me to spread the word so this way no one will be deceived again by him!
This guy told me once that didn't knew that converting lossy videos to DVD format was bad and incorrect! Can you believe this??
So you can imagine how many lossy shows he converted to DVD and traded them as if they were lossless!!!

!!DO NOT TRADE ANYTHING WITH THIS GUY CALLED LAWLESSWASP!!

What i'm going to post is the last e-mail i sent him wich tells pretty much what happened. I've got no answer from him.
Worst than that, after sending him this email, i was banned from his site Hallowed Bootlegs!

This way you will know what kind of person he is.

Thanks in advance for your attention!


=================================================================
Email title: VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT
Sent: September 23rd 2011, 22:46

From: Neoplasmah
To: Lawlesswasp

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Hey buddy!

First of all i want to know what is your problem.
You have been acting like a total unprofessional person specially with me and you know that you started all this shit, you are the bad trader here, not me.

Starting, we set a 2 shows dvd trade and all went well untill i noticed you gave me lossy shows instead of lossless shows. I gave you real lossless shows! You didn't!
Real lossless video Russia 2011 recorded by Fr3nd still remains in Fr3nds house in his computer, so what you gave me was the 1,85Gb Mpg converted to DVD. LOSSY! I asked you where you got it from, you answered me that you got it in a trade. I asked you if you got from Fr3nd, you didn't answered me. Real cool, huh?
Then you send me Singapore 2011, and again LOSSY! I'm not 100% sure but i have the right to that you converted this one to DVD because you downloaded it, an Avi file originally made by YouTube videos, from my board Metal Bootlegs, remember?

What kind of trader are you that doesn't know the difference between lossy and lossless DVDs???
You probably knew that those shows were lossy so you weren't honest with me, i can't forgive you that.
If you think you consider yourself a trader, you should know that i would have demand you a complete replacement but, acting in good faith, i did not.

I gave you permission to post the links for the real lossless shows i sent you in your board Hallowed Bootlegs.
Then i posted those shows in my board Metal Bootlegs with the line: "THIS DVD IS 100% LOSSLESS. THIS IS NOT SOME SHITTY CONVERTION TO DECEIVE OTHERS!"
Do you felt offended with these words? Truth hurts, huh?

Then you demanded (hahaha, demanded...!) this:

________________________________________________

"Hi,
Can you please delete all of the dvd links i have posted in the iron maiden section, if not i will just kill all the links anyway, but dead links won't look good for your board!
You can me if you like, but i don't think it would be a good idea, other will know why i was banned!

Thankyou

Lawlesswasp "

________________________________________________

Are you threatning us? Who the fuck you think you are to threat me or anyone else from Metal Bootlegs board??
Other will know why you were banned?? Are you retarded or something?? The only reason is because you are a BAD TRADER!!!

Then you removed all the download links from your posts on Metal Bootlegs. We (Metal Bootlegs Admin) call it a real nice attitude showing total lack of respect!
We (me and you) sended each other several emails (wich i have them stored, of course) calling each other by our first names like friends should do.
You sent me the PM above signed with Lawlesswasp. What an adult attitude, right?
Ok mr Lawlesswasp, i believe you don't see me as your friend anymore, right? No problem for me, friends shouldn't deceive friends like you did to me. I don't care too much.

Other nice attitude from you: as you are able to remember (i hope), i kind of helped you in your board Hallowed Bootlegs, giving you nice tips how to run the board and above all, i helped you eliminating some leechers, remember?
As you are able to remember (i hope), i posted in your board Hallowed Bootlegs almost 500 shows, some of them in lossless format, remember?
Then you sent me this PM:

____________________________________________________

""Hi,
The lossless areas are still very much there, you just can't see them.
Because you don't come here much, and haven't really posted anything in a while you have lost your VIP status on the board,
you are a "member" and all you get to see is the lossy areas in the Iron Maiden sections now,
you do still have access to lossless shows in the Various Bands / Slash / Alter Bridge & Helloween sections, so it's not all bad!

L.W."
____________________________________________________

I was, apparently without reason, downgraded from VIP Member to just Member in your so called board. Real cool, huh? Do you consider me as a leecher then??
You started a war against leechers, wich i support 100%, leechers should be banned from all boards. But they will exist and everybody has to live with them.
I've heard that you might close your board because of the leechers, but a funny thing you must remember that when you had other username (Maidenharris, remember?)
you leeched a hell of shows from my board, remember? Who's the leecher here?
Buddy (or mr Lawlesswasp), i remember everything!
As far as i know from other Admin from your board, i know i'm the 4th best poster in your board. And you say i haven't really posted anything in a while. Hilarious!
I can't even see the Iron Maiden lossless shows i posted there. Hilarious again!

This is no valuable reason to downgrade my status, but i don't care too much.

I've noticed that you banned without reason my real great friend Doomy (other Admin from Metal Bootlegs) from your board. How nice from you, huh?

Buddy (or mr Lawlesswasp), you can Doomy and you even can me from your board and other boards you run. I don't give a real shit!
We will not you and you know why? Because we are not like you, we are not like others, we are different, we are best.
Other boards open and close all the time (what a joke!) but we keep the struggle.
If you think i need those boards, you are damn wrong.

Others fall in the way but we climb steps everyday in improvement, honesty and quality to our members. That's why we, Metal Bootlegs board, have some members that follow us and stay with us since late 2007.
That's why i have real good friends in the board that never stabbed me in the back. That shows that we respect who respect us! That's why we have loyal members since more that 3 years now!

You wish it could happen in your board, right?

Wrong! You are showing the worst ways to rule a board and how bad you can be as a trader. That's why i see boards closing once in a while! Sad, true but funny!
Incompetence? Almost sure!


Let's clarify this shit once for all: What's your problem with me? You were the one who ripped me off and you are trying to invert the situation??
Are you mentally ill??

I will wait for an honest answer from you at least for me understand what's going on with you.
If you keep acting like this, you will suffer the consequences and you know why?

You started threatning me, but you have no reason to do that. So, don't do that.
This is not a threat, is for real!!
if you think you will start a war, you are so wrong in your thoughts. Huge mistake, buddy, huge mistake! You are crossing a line without return...

Remember, you started this situation and i will warn you only once:

Don't you even think of trying to mention my name anywhere because i will discover if you do that! You will regret it forever. Don't fuck with me, buddy.

You started the threat, i will finish it.
I will wait for an answer to this e-mail untill the end of this present weekend, Sunday, September 25th.
If you do not answer or if you continue to act like you are acting, one simple click and i will make your life as a trader a real hell, you will never trade anything with anyone again! I can't let you deceive other traders!
And believe me when i'm saying this.
I will turn public this e-mail, this whole history, your e-mail address and all the e-mails i have stored that prove that i'm not lying!

I will sign this e-mail with my real name, i don't consider myself better than anyone, but at least i consider myself an honest person, a friend who doesn't betray my friends and i'm not hiding behind some nick.

I was your friend and you stabbed me in the back.
If you are able to read, understand and to write, i hope to hear from you very soon! Take care!

Vitor

A.K.A. Neoplasmah,
Lossless audio trader, part of the Admin of Metal Bootlegs board

(September 23rd, 2011)

paddington
2011-09-25, 02:40 PM
Hilarious.


How about posting a time line of your issue, so we can better understand your efforts to resolve it, prior to publicly branding him a bad trader.

Thanks

efooo
2011-09-25, 03:29 PM
He also sent me 10 lossy sourced DVD's in exchange of 8 Rare DVD's. And when I told him this, he banned me from all his boards and never talked to me again! This is my issue too.

mooncusser
2011-09-25, 03:37 PM
Officer, please, for God's sake, they're looting the Food King!!

paddington
2011-09-25, 03:44 PM
All DVDs are lossy.


How long have you been trying to resolve this conflict, and what steps have you taken?

frankhealy
2011-09-26, 07:58 AM
Already know on a lot of forums ( including here ) by the looks of things

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41893&highlight=Australia

Follow the link from the post !!!
http://z10.invisionfree.com/bootleg_videos/index.php?showtopic=2204
http://heavymetalbootlegsdvds.blogspot.com/

efooo
2011-09-26, 09:58 AM
All DVDs are lossy.


How long have you been trying to resolve this conflict, and what steps have you taken?

No man, I cannot chase after him, I'm in Turkey, he is at Australia. But I just want to let people know of this arrogant a**hole, how retardish his actions are. But thank you for your attention mate.

Efe

tonebloke
2011-09-28, 07:24 PM
Here's a bit of info on this guy:

IP country code: AU
IP address country: ip address flagAustralia
IP address state: New South Wales
IP address city: Penrith
IP address latitude: -33.7500
IP address longitude: 150.7000
ISP of this IP [?]: OPTUS INTERNET - RETAIL
Organization: OPTUS INTERNET - RETAIL
Host of this IP: [?]: c122-108-43-226.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au

Will have to spread this.