Policy For Live 8 Material on The Traders Den

[lucasweb]

Live 8 material is welcome here as long as it isn't officially released, they have already started releasing songs for pay download much like the iTunes music store.

http://www.7digital.com/downloads/live8/

These are the songs that are available so far:

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" performed by Paul McCartney and U2

"The Long And Winding Road" performed by Paul McCartney

Now because the audio has been officially released this means that the video will also be considered as such because it's using the officiailly released source. This post will be updated as more tracks are officially released online and if any torrents having to contain an officially released track have already been uploaded to the site it will have to be taken down and the released track removed

[Ted]

Don't update until I finish downloading Pink Floyd. I have a feeling it'll be officially released when I get to the 90% downloaded range :p.

Good idea BTW, for this thread. I haven't kept up with who played and what's been released, so you're helping me out a lot.

Just kidding about the PF. If it gets released, oh well :p. It'll be available somewhere else.

[smr]

Considering the event, wouldnt ALL the conent of the show be 'officially released' at some point in the coming week?
If this is the case, is it safe to say there will be no Live8 torrents here?

[Ted]

Considering the event, wouldnt ALL the conent of the show be 'officially released' at some point in the coming week?
If this is the case, is it safe to say there will be no Live8 torrents here?We don't want to assume now, do we? As long as it's not officially released, it's fair game for torrents (as long as it conforms to our rules). Once it's been released - IF it's released - then we'll pull it ;)

[smr]

Fair enough.
Wasnt this show free of charge, now we have corporations SELLING something that was FREE to all ? Gotta love the big corporations huh :disbelief

[terrapincane]

aren't satellite radio sources lossy?

[pyro]

Fair enough.
Wasnt this show free of charge, now we have corporations SELLING something that was FREE to all ? Gotta love the big corporations huh :disbelief

i pointed that out earlier in the lounge.... mostly the fact that they put over the stages "WE DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY"

[lucasweb]

aren't satellite radio sources lossy?

as far as i know they always are, but there aren't any satellite radio sourced torrents from Live 8 on the site

[neuroticwave]

You can now add McCartney's "The Long and Winding Road" to the list of official releases.

http://www.7digital.com/downloads/live8/

[lucasweb]

You can now add McCartney's "The Long and Winding Road" to the list of official releases.

http://www.7digital.com/downloads/live8/

Huh, i would have bet anyone money that they would have released a track from the Pink Floyd set by the end of the night, but i was wrong, first post is now updated

[Hippycat]

Fair enough.
Wasnt this show free of charge, now we have corporations SELLING something that was FREE to all ? Gotta love the big corporations huh :disbelief


Kinda like bottled water.

And this thread is a great idea.

[Gwynne61]

Aren't the proceeds going to charity?? Plus the downloads on this site are not paid for. So lets for once not get too precious about the Corporations.

[TheRealMe]

Aren't the proceeds going to charity?? Plus the downloads on this site are not paid for. So lets for once not get too precious about the Corporations.

They're only protecting the site...if we aren't careful about what's officially released, the site and its owners could come under fire. We don't want what happened to easytree to happen to Traders' Den.

[cbar1965]

It's probably best for people who have video torrents available to keep them on their hardrive (or barring a lack of space, some other media). I say this because one is not sure if the officially release DVD's will contain ALL of the material of a certain artist. In order to keep the set affordable, the DVD may be a compilation-type release. The Live Aid set left out a lot of stuff partly because it was unretrievable. However, I know that a lot of material that does still exist was left off. And then you have artists that flubbed (Led Zep, Duran Duran) who did not want their sets or specific songs released.

I can understand why the Trader's Den (or Dimeadozen) are reluctant to allow certain material. At the same time, the disputed material is becoming available on other BT sites. So everyone wins.

Cliff

[p_k]

I can torrent the XM feed of pink floyd..
dosent every have it yet???... any way, MTV unluggeds get torrented.
i think the Mtv broadcast or the bbc should be up for grabs.....


i already have a DVD with JAYZ, SNOOP, DMB, STEVIE WONDER, the who , and floyd..... there all from webcast... .. cheers

[lucasweb]

I can torrent the XM feed of pink floyd..
dosent every have it yet???... any way, MTV unluggeds get torrented.
i think the Mtv broadcast or the bbc should be up for grabs.....


i already have a DVD with JAYZ, SNOOP, DMB, STEVIE WONDER, the who , and floyd..... there all from webcast... .. cheers

no webcast material is allowed on here, and the lossless torrent of Pink Floyd is already on here, XM is lossy

[Jeepetee]

"Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" performed by Paul McCartney and U2

"The Long And Winding Road" performed by Paul McCartney

Now because the audio has been officially released this means that the video will also be considered as such because it's using the officiailly released source.
:wtf:

[4candles]

:wtf:

What's your point?

[Jeepetee]

What's your point?
The video version has never been released ?! It isn't the same thing. :hmm:

[U2Lynne]

Jeepetee, it's just like if a band releases an official live recording of a show. We would not allow someone to take a video of the show (audience or unreleased proshot) and sync it up with the official audio of the show and share it here.

[Phlegmbot]

Not meaning to be obnoxious, but isn't the broacast recording of the material a fundamentally different source than the one they would use for the commercial DVD release? The audio for that release would be directly from the soundboard, rather than from the broadcast. Besides which, isn't there at least one satellite in between the BBC and the local cable distributor from which the recording was made? And maybe one more between the venue and the BBC?

I don't really know anything about British copyright laws, but the established precedent in the US is that if it goes out over the air, you can record it.

Please enlighten me if I am cornfused...

[U2Lynne]

You are probably right. However, we wanted to be as careful as possible in hosting these shows. A bunch of sites wouldn't touch them and we didn't want to bring any attention to ourselves by hosting something that *could* get us in trouble. The other thing is that this was a charity event and we really didn't want to host something that may encourage people to download it instead of buying it. It's an iffy line and we could have gone either way on our decision to host any of the material, but we felt that the decision we did make was one that would show that we weren't trying to grab any proceeds away from them.

[4candles]

Not meaning to be obnoxious, but isn't the broacast recording of the material a fundamentally different source than the one they would use for the commercial DVD release? The audio for that release would be directly from the soundboard, rather than from the broadcast. Besides which, isn't there at least one satellite in between the BBC and the local cable distributor from which the recording was made? And maybe one more between the venue and the BBC?


You can't descibe the BBC's Live8 coverage and the upcoming DVD (or existing audio downloads) as from "fundamentally different sources".

The lineage may be different (hopefully the DVD will be better quality), but they will both be sourced from the same TV cameras and soundboard audio.

If we're talking copyright infringement, then I don't understand why the number of satellites between the venues and the home viewers makes any difference - it doesn't change the content.


I don't really know anything about British copyright laws, but the established precedent in the US is that if it goes out over the air, you can record it.


There's a difference between recording a TV broadcast for your personal viewing and distributing copies of that recording to others.

Dave.

[U2Lynne]

As was stated at the beginning of this thread, Live 8 material was welcome here until it becomes officially released. Today, the Live 8 DVDs were released in Europe and tomorrow they will be released in the US. So, I've had to pull all Live 8 material from the site.

Live 8 - What it's all about (http://www.live8live.com/whatsitabout/index.shtml)

[davecaddie]

just thought i'd share some copyright info from canada (i'm not sure if it's the same elsewhere, but i bet it is similar:

recording anything that is broadcast, distributing it, publicly displaying it anything like that is fine for 30days from the broadcast. after that any recording of broadcasted material is supposed to be erased and no longer displayed/distributed.

again i don't know about the US and UK but i would guess that they have some sort of similar limit in their laws.
just an fyi :)

[jariche]

Is it ok to upload a compilation of unreleased video then? For instance, they're only releasing one song by DMB, and they played 3 others. Same thing with Def Leppard and Velvet Revolver, among others.

Personally, I think they dropped the ball on what is being released officially.

[Karst]

I think the releases differ per country? Need to check that - but I'd say keep it away from it and maybe set up a Potato Vine for it elsewhere. ;)

[U2Lynne]

jariche, the shows you are talking about were all seeded here in their entirety already for the last four months. Go see if you can set up a snail mail trade for them. We've said from the beginning that as soon as these shows are released officially, we would no longer allow them to be torrented here. We want to encourage people to support the cause.

[jariche]

sounds good to me, thanks.