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spontabmark
2005-05-24, 05:14 PM
hi, just manually edited out all but one of the SBEs in a show i just got (the taper caused the SBEs so it's on everyone's version). all the others went smoothy but this one has still left a faint line on the spectral and a slight pop after every attempt to remove it. attached a zipped 0.76 second FLAC sample of it with the SBE in the middle of it so if theres any way you can remove it perfectly i'd appreciate it if you let me know :) thanks

range_hood
2005-05-24, 05:53 PM
some info on the lineage would clean some questions. The errors seem to be gaps in between the songs no SBEs (info here (http://www.mrichter.com/cdr/primer/analogu3.htm)).
I removed the silence and also have this line. I would not go further and remove more than necessary. You would lost something. Is a pop audible in this track? The sample is a little too short to hear this. If not i would leave it as it is.

spontabmark
2005-05-24, 06:16 PM
they are SBEs but because they were put onto CD the gap becomes audio and i merged all the tracks together so i could play over them easier. the noise for this SBE is just a slight clunk as opposed to a tick/pop which after removing becomes about half or less as loud as before

spontabmark
2005-05-24, 06:22 PM
you can hear it even though its a short sample, i could email a longer one if anyone wants

uhclem
2005-05-24, 07:51 PM
Yep there's an SBE there. Attached is a pic of it made with EAC. You should be able to snip out the silence using a wave editor. EAC did it just fine when I tested it out.

uhclem
2005-05-24, 07:58 PM
Honestly, I couldn't hear the SBE at all on such a tiny little clip. Perhaps it's noticeable if you hear more of it. I've attached my fix version. Maybe you can tell the difference. Look at it in EAC and you'll see the gap is gone.

spontabmark
2005-05-24, 08:15 PM
yeah thats the same as i got, it probably sounds like just part of the recording in such a small clip. although maybe it is just part of the recording which the SBE happens to fall on. thanks

spontabmark
2005-05-24, 08:35 PM
the line on the spectral is more obvious in EAC but now i've managed to get it to this (before : after). this acceptable?

ssamadhi97
2005-05-25, 12:09 PM
the line on the spectral is more obvious in EAC but now i've managed to get it to this (before : after). this acceptable?
Question is, can you hear it?

I mean, after all we're listening to music, not looking at spectrograms all day :p

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 12:49 PM
Question is, can you hear it?

I mean, after all we're listening to music, not looking at spectrograms all day :p
:lol there is still a noise there but i don't think that is the SBE anymore, i think its just on the recording and the SBE was there also making a tick over the same noise

New Homebrew
2005-05-25, 02:04 PM
There is a noise because the ends don't match up exactly so you have a click. You need to smooth/restore the joined area.

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 02:23 PM
ok, so how exactly do i do that in audition?

New Homebrew
2005-05-25, 02:27 PM
Use Steinberg Wavelab. Select a small area, go to process > restore > restore small click (less than 3ms).

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 02:31 PM
thanks i'll give it a shot

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 04:35 PM
hmm, i select an area go to process>waveform restorer and chose the right thing and click "apply" and nothing happens :hmm:

Five
2005-05-25, 05:44 PM
CEP/Audition has smoothing by default and a nice plug for fixing pops if you can't get the edit 100% perfect sometimes. scroll down here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=957

don't forget that after you've edited out all the little gaps you'll have to recut the show on sector boundaries.

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 06:24 PM
tried that and made no difference :( its a lot more dull than your average tick/pop. have you tried removing the SBE in the sample and listening?

Five
2005-05-25, 07:28 PM
I'll give it a shot tomorrow or the next day and post back here.

spontabmark
2005-05-25, 07:35 PM
k thanks, want me to email you a longer clip?

uhclem
2005-05-25, 10:14 PM
I think you are making this job more difficult than is necessary. I don't see why you are messing about with a spectrum view of the wave. Just zoom on in with your wave editor in edit or wave mode (like the view I posted above) and snip out the zero samples. It's easy.

I do this with EAC. I just zoom in and cut out the middle part of the gap, leaving just enough at either end that when I zoom in a bit more, I can still tell where the gap is. Then I zoom in so that I can see each individual sample and I cut out all the zero samples. That's all it should take.

Five
2005-05-25, 10:19 PM
you still have to listen for a pop after the edit and spectral view can give a visual assist nothing wrong with that. When it comes to the actual editing of course use waveform view.

Five
2005-05-26, 07:10 PM
this is totally one of those shows where just editing out the zero samples doesn't work.

First, I turned off smoothing...
http://img180.echo.cx/img180/9821/nosmoothing15pj.th.gif (http://img180.echo.cx/my.php?image=nosmoothing15pj.gif)

Then I highlighted the zero samples and only the zero samples.

wave:
http://img180.echo.cx/img180/9162/highlightwav12ge.th.gif (http://img180.echo.cx/my.php?image=highlightwav12ge.gif)

spectrum:
http://img180.echo.cx/img180/1900/highlightsa17nm.th.gif (http://img180.echo.cx/my.php?image=highlightsa17nm.gif)

then hit delete.

wave:
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/9937/deletedwav14cz.th.gif (http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=deletedwav14cz.gif)

spectrum:
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/6606/deletedsa13lw.th.gif (http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=deletedsa13lw.gif)

Especially in the left channel you can see that this isn't a perfect edit, there is either a slight repetition or else a piece missing.

Here's a zoomed out look after the edit.

http://img185.echo.cx/img185/7905/artzoomout8kk.th.gif (http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=artzoomout8kk.gif)

I got a slightly better result sound-wise by widening the area I delted and turning on smoothing.

http://img185.echo.cx/img185/76/smoothon14vf.th.gif (http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=smoothon14vf.gif)

There was still a "pop". This one is very resistant to fixing.

I would try to get a DAO source for this someway somehow. If this is all that's out there just tinker with it until you've got it sounding just right, then recut etc.

spontabmark
2005-05-26, 07:41 PM
thanks a lot for that, the SBEs were introduced by the taper and he has supposebly been telling people not to trade it but i managed to get hold of it. apparently he has had police troubles ( :confused: ) or something to do with this so it looks doubtful on getting a perfect copy.

do you think its important to retrack it exactly the same or can i just track it like i normally would a one track show. thanks

Five
2005-05-26, 08:07 PM
thanks a lot for that, the SBEs were introduced by the taper and he has supposebly been telling people not to trade it but i managed to get hold of it. apparently he has had police troubles ( :confused: ) or something to do with this so it looks doubtful on getting a perfect copy.

do you think its important to retrack it exactly the same or can i just track it like i normally would a one track show. thanks
If you think you can improve the tracking go for it.