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ggking7
2008-06-02, 04:15 PM
Are there any high resolution recordings being traded here? CD audio is 16-bit/44.1khz, and high resolution stuff on DVD-Audio or SA-CD is typically 24-bit/96khz.

direwolf-pgh
2008-06-02, 04:20 PM
ggking7, how do you rip and burn an SA-CD or DVD-A ?

ggking7
2008-06-02, 04:29 PM
It's not gonna happen with an SA-CD, but ripping a DVD-A (from your own collection of course) is trivial these days:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio#Copy_protection

as is MVI and HDAD. They're even releasing high resolution audio mixes on Blu-Ray. Check this out:

http://dvd-a.info/

direwolf-pgh
2008-06-02, 04:32 PM
how many tapers here record in 6 channel stereo ?

see where im going.. only official releases would be offered in such a format.
most 'outtakes' of multi-channel recordings are really 'outfakes' from official recordings.

plus most people dont have a DVD-A player anyway - the format never took off & yes blu-ray will bury dvd-a format for sure.

i have seen dvd audio discs here - but its just high bit-rate PCM disc..not a DVD-A.

U2Lynne
2008-06-02, 04:53 PM
Some tapers have released their recordings in both 16-bit resolution and 24-bit resolution. Not sure if that is what your interest is in. If so, just search the torrents page with "24-bit" and you'll get a listing.

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/search.php?do=process&titleonly=1&query=24-bit

ggking7
2008-06-02, 05:12 PM
direwolf-pgh,

I think we're talking about different things. I'm not interested in more than 2 channels. I am interested in high resolution digital music. High resolution and 6 channels are completely different things.

U2Lynne,

Thanks for the link. Exactly what I needed.

By the way, here's a great resource, although they've been down for hours now:

http://www.computeraudiophile.com

direwolf-pgh
2008-06-02, 05:20 PM
direwolf-pgh,

I think we're talking about different things. I'm not interested in more than 2 channels. I am interested in high resolution digital music. High resolution and 6 channels are completely different things. maybe. kinda. whatever.

Are there any high resolution recordings being traded here? CD audio is 16-bit/44.1khz, and high resolution stuff on DVD-Audio or SA-CD is typically 24-bit/96khz. you did ask for DVD-A & SA-CD recordings, did you not ?

I think you changed your question is the more appropriate answer.

I didnt know about that DVD-A ripper..so that was cool to learn.
not that Im going to use it. but its all good buddy.

i play nice in technobabble :angel: relax.

so your real question should have been/is now/was: are there any 24bit recordings here ? yes.

ggking7
2008-06-02, 05:31 PM
direwolf-pgh,

not really. most high resolution DVD-A are 6 channel.

Almost all DVD-A discs include a high resolution 5.1 mix and a high resolution stereo (2.0) mix. Oftentimes the stereo mix is actually a higher resolution than the 5.1 mix. Here's an example:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6307572

Scroll down to where it says 24-bit.

so your real question was: are there any 24bit or higher recordings here...

Re-read my original question bro. That's exactly what I asked. I then compared the resolution of CD to that of DVD-A and SA-CD in case some people didn't know what high resolution was.

direwolf-pgh
2008-06-02, 05:42 PM
direwolf-pgh,



Almost all DVD-A discs include a high resolution 5.1 mix and a high resolution stereo (2.0) mix. Oftentimes the stereo mix is actually a higher resolution than the 5.1 mix. Here's an example:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6307572

Scroll down to where it says 24-bit. 5.1 = 5 surround channels + 1 low frequency channel = 6 channel audio. was this part of your original question.. no you're changing the question again. why i dont know.



Re-read my original question bro. That's exactly what I asked. I then compared the resolution of CD to that of DVD-A and SA-CD in case some people didn't know what high resolution was.im not your bro, bro.
most recordings here are 24/48 bro.
not 24/96, not DVD-A and certainly not SACD..which is neither, bro.
I read your question - it was poorly constructed imo, bro.

ggking7
2008-06-02, 05:44 PM
I bet you do have all night.

direwolf-pgh
2008-06-02, 06:01 PM
CD audio is 16-bit/44.1khz, and high resolution stuff on DVD-Audio or SA-CD is typically 24-bit/96khz. SACD audio is stored in a format called Direct Stream Digital (DSD), which differs from the conventional PCM used by the compact disc or conventional computer audio systems.

DSD is 1-bit, has a sampling rate of 2.8224 MHz

roomful
2008-06-02, 08:01 PM
ggking7, how do you rip and burn an SA-CD or DVD-A ?

SACD is a no go, but it's easy to author and burn a 2 channel DVD-A from WAV or FLAC files of several different resolutions with several different software programs. See http://24bit.turtleside.com/

DVD-Audiofile is excellent and free.

This has been covered a million times here in technobabble btw Wolf ;)

roomful
2008-06-02, 08:14 PM
how many tapers here record in 6 channel stereo ?

see where im going.. only official releases would be offered in such a format.
most 'outtakes' of multi-channel recordings are really 'outfakes' from official recordings.

Some ppl make 5.1 mixes when there is a SBD and an AUD recording available for a show, it's done in post processing. I think there are even live 5.1 mixes for live broadcasts of shows and games, and this is done through mixing, but the recording itself is multitrack.

roomful
2008-06-02, 08:35 PM
direwolf-pgh,

I think we're talking about different things. I'm not interested in more than 2 channels. I am interested in high resolution digital music. High resolution and 6 channels are completely different things.

I agree with this. There can be standard resolution stereo, standard resolution surround sound, high resolution stereo, and high resolution surround sound.


im not your bro, bro.
most recordings here are 24/48 bro.
not 24/96, not DVD-A and certainly not SACD..which is neither, bro.
I read your question - it was poorly constructed imo, bro.



Chill out bro :cool: :wave:

AAR.oner
2008-06-02, 08:58 PM
Some ppl make 5.1 mixes when there is a SBD and an AUD recording available for a show, it's done in post processing. I think there are even live 5.1 mixes for live broadcasts of shows and games, and this is done through mixing, but the recording itself is multitrack.

i'd be interested to know what 5.1 audience recordings you've come across [non-commercial releases]...i've never seen/heard any tapers running surround rigs, would definitely like to hear one of if you have any :thumbsup

roomful
2008-06-02, 09:15 PM
There's no such thing as recording in 5.1 to my knowledge.

Sometimes 5.1 mixes are done by fans in post by mixing a SBD (front 3 channels) and an AUD (rear channels), or by mixing an FOB (front 3 channels) and an OTS (rear channels).

When pros record in 32 track for a concert, there are sometimes two or three pairs of AUD mics i think scattered about. So an engineer could run a pair of AUD mics at the SBD, or further back, and then in post use just this pair for the rear two channels, and use the rest of the SBD mix for the front three channels. That's the best way to do it, because it's all precisely time coded together. When it's done in post from two sources that were recorded separately and not time coded, sometimes the synch can be a little off I think, even from two all digital sources.

AAR.oner
2008-06-02, 09:44 PM
yes there is...for an audience recording, its just a pretty costly set up and takes some knowledge re: the rooms acoustics/placement/etc, which is why i was curious to hear one if you had any


just for clarification, this:



Sometimes 5.1 mixes are done by fans in post by mixing a SBD (front 3 channels) and an AUD (rear channels), or by mixing an FOB (front 3 channels) and an OTS (rear channels).


is not a true 5.1 recording


there's a few ways to achieve true surround recordings, the 2 most common being a double ms setup w/ a single point for yer center, or a 5-mic rig like the Microtech Gefell Spider (http://www.rmcaudio.com/gefell_mics/ina-5-spider.htm)...

but as i said, if you come across any audience recordings that are true 5.1 let me know, i'm really anxious to hear one...and ya gotta figure with something like the Spider out on the market, its only a matter of time til some trustafarian taper drops the dough and starts taping with one :lol:

AAR.oner
2008-06-02, 09:56 PM
here's another little gadget a company called holophone has come up with...i haven't heard it in action, but its an interesting concept & really inexpensive compared to some of the other more traditional 5.1 set ups on the market

http://www.holophone.com/home.html

roomful
2008-06-02, 10:14 PM
werd! thanks for the info, I hadn't heard of AUD recording in true 5.1 before, much less seen any recordings on the net.

For these to be circulated losslessly, and in a format that's currently available/affordable for everyone, uncompressed LPCM 5.1 DVD-A, or MLP lossless (big $$ :( for the encoder) 5.1 DVD-A would be the way to go. Lossless surround sound isn't part of the standard for DVD-V.

paddington
2008-06-03, 02:04 AM
Are there any high resolution recordings being traded here?
yes. Advanced Search "24-bit" in "Titles Only"


CD audio is 16-bit/44.1khz, and high resolution stuff on DVD-Audio or SA-CD is typically 24-bit/96khz.

:hmm: please read about DSD. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD)


Enjoy the 24 bit bonaza here at ye olde Den (and burn it to yer DVD blanks with http://24bit.turtleside.com/ (http://24bit.turtleside.com/))