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tgunn2760
2008-03-07, 02:55 PM
Got five discs in a trade, four of the five I cannot copy. Get the same message when I run them through G Spot. DVDShrink crashes when I try to copy them. Guess they got errors?

Any idea how this is caused?


Thanks in advance.

pawel
2008-03-07, 05:54 PM
burnt at maximum speed, cheap crappy discs

tgunn2760
2008-03-07, 06:33 PM
burnt at maximum speed, cheap crappy discs


The discs are Sony and Verbatim, and were burned at low speed.

direwolf-pgh
2008-03-07, 06:41 PM
stick them in a proper DVD player and watch them for errors.

copy the folders directly from disc to the hard drive, then burn a second copy

..not sure why you're using DVDShrink..

U2Lynne
2008-03-07, 06:48 PM
Ask the person your traded with to make md5s of his DVDs and send you the file. Then check if your DVDs actually have the same md5s.

tgunn2760
2008-03-07, 06:57 PM
stick them in a proper DVD player and watch them for errors.

copy the folders directly from disc to the hard drive, then burn a second copy

..not sure why you're using DVDShrink..


How can I copy the discs if DVD Shrink closes? I haven't tried Decrypter yet, but if Gspot can't read the VOBs from the disc I think it's pointless.

tgunn2760
2008-03-07, 06:58 PM
Ask the person your traded with to make md5s of his DVDs and send you the file. Then check if your DVDs actually have the same md5s.


Can I make a md5s from a disc?

direwolf-pgh
2008-03-07, 07:29 PM
stick them in a proper DVD player and watch them for errors.

copy the folders directly from disc to the hard drive, then burn a second copy

..not sure why you're using DVDShrink..


How can I copy the discs if DVD Shrink closes? I haven't tried Decrypter yet, but if Gspot can't read the VOBs from the disc I think it's pointless.
no no no.. dig this.. you'll love it.

you can insert a DVD > open the disc to see the files >

drag the VIDEO_TS to the desktop > burn another copy directly from that folder.

no software or decrypting is needed. give it a try :)

you have a good point about GSpot not reading the .vob files
.. but what the hell.. have Gspot check them from the desktop folder instead of from the DVD disc.

we are shooting in the dark here for you..so expect some random thoughts to try.

tgunn2760
2008-03-07, 08:36 PM
stick them in a proper DVD player and watch them for errors.

copy the folders directly from disc to the hard drive, then burn a second copy

..not sure why you're using DVDShrink..


How can I copy the discs if DVD Shrink closes? I haven't tried Decrypter yet, but if Gspot can't read the VOBs from the disc I think it's pointless.
no no no.. dig this.. you'll love it.

you can insert a DVD > open the disc to see the files >

drag the VIDEO_TS to the desktop > burn another copy directly from that folder.

no software or decrypting is needed. give it a try :)

you have a good point about GSpot not reading the .vob files
.. but what the hell.. have Gspot check them from the desktop folder instead of from the DVD disc.

we are shooting in the dark here for you..so expect some random thoughts to try.


Thanks for the tip, didn't work though.

Dragged the folder, it started to copy to desktop, said it would take 14 minutes, then halfway it stopped and I got the same error message, parameter incorrect.

U2Lynne
2008-03-08, 12:43 AM
Ask the person your traded with to make md5s of his DVDs and send you the file. Then check if your DVDs actually have the same md5s.


Can I make a md5s from a disc?
Sure. You should always do that prior to seeding a DVD (if you seed video). Just open up the md5 application (TLH?) and drag the files in the VIDEO_TS into the application and ask it to make md5s.

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 12:54 AM
Ask the person your traded with to make md5s of his DVDs and send you the file. Then check if your DVDs actually have the same md5s.


Can I make a md5s from a disc?
Sure. You should always do that prior to seeding a DVD (if you seed video). Just open up the md5 application (TLH?) and drag the files in the VIDEO_TS into the application and ask it to make md5s.

I've seeded DVDs and made checksums but from TS folders, after I ripped them to the hard drive.

These discs cannot be ripped, or even read by Gspot, that's the problem, and I'm trying to figure out what happened.

The trader said these are copies from his masters, and he has copied his masters before without problems, so the problem must be the burning this time around.

U2Lynne
2008-03-08, 11:03 AM
I've seeded DVDs and made checksums but from TS folders, after I ripped them to the hard drive.

These discs cannot be ripped, or even read by Gspot, that's the problem, and I'm trying to figure out what happened.

The trader said these are copies from his masters, and he has copied his masters before without problems, so the problem must be the burning this time around.
I got into the habit a long time ago to make md5s of the VIDEO_TS on the DVD prior to copying it to my harddrive. Then I run the md5s again the files that were copied to my harddrive to verify the copy went OK. I'm not sure that it is necessary now since if there is a problem with the file, then it simply won't copy. But, I continue doing it.

Anyway, you should be able to make an md5 of the VIDEO_TS folder that is on the DVD by using whatever application you like to use to make md5s. You use the same process you would normally use only the files happen to be on the DVD instead of the harddrive. I'm just thinking if you do this, and you get him to make md5s of the files he has, then you can verify that you have an exact copy of what he has. If so, and he was able to copy the files, then we know it is most likely a problem on your end. If the md5s don't match, then we know that he made a mistake in copying the DVDs for you.

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 12:55 PM
I've seeded DVDs and made checksums but from TS folders, after I ripped them to the hard drive.

These discs cannot be ripped, or even read by Gspot, that's the problem, and I'm trying to figure out what happened.

The trader said these are copies from his masters, and he has copied his masters before without problems, so the problem must be the burning this time around.
I got into the habit a long time ago to make md5s of the VIDEO_TS on the DVD prior to copying it to my harddrive. Then I run the md5s again the files that were copied to my harddrive to verify the copy went OK. I'm not sure that it is necessary now since if there is a problem with the file, then it simply won't copy. But, I continue doing it.

Anyway, you should be able to make an md5 of the VIDEO_TS folder that is on the DVD by using whatever application you like to use to make md5s. You use the same process you would normally use only the files happen to be on the DVD instead of the harddrive. I'm just thinking if you do this, and you get him to make md5s of the files he has, then you can verify that you have an exact copy of what he has. If so, and he was able to copy the files, then we know it is most likely a problem on your end. If the md5s don't match, then we know that he made a mistake in copying the DVDs for you.

Thanks for your help;

I emailed and asked the trader to send md5s.

Now...at the risk of sounding DUMB...what do I compare? The letters and numbers on each line? If there are errors on the disc, would the md5s file say"such and such error occurred"?

:hmm::hmm::hmm:

U2Lynne
2008-03-08, 01:13 PM
Thanks for your help;

I emailed and asked the trader to send md5s.

Now...at the risk of sounding DUMB...what do I compare? The letters and numbers on each line? If there are errors on the disc, would the md5s file say"such and such error occurred"?

:hmm::hmm::hmm:
No question is a dumb question!

You can open the checksums in any text editor and then compare the "letters and numbers" (the checksum). They should be exactly the same if the video was copied correctly. The only exception is the checksum for the menus - VIDEO_TS.bup, VIDEO_TS.ifo, VIDEO_TS.vob. Sometimes the software will 'correct' the menu and so the checksums won't match. But, all the VTS_0x_x files should have *exactly* the same checksum if the video was copied correctly.

schmoe75
2008-03-08, 01:20 PM
Do the discs play in your player?

Try taking the discs to a friend who has a burner. See if they can get the VTS folder to drag/drop to their hard drive.
No question is a dumb question!
I have to disagree with that :cool:

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 03:50 PM
Thanks for your help;

I emailed and asked the trader to send md5s.

Now...at the risk of sounding DUMB...what do I compare? The letters and numbers on each line? If there are errors on the disc, would the md5s file say"such and such error occurred"?

:hmm::hmm::hmm:
No question is a dumb question!

You can open the checksums in any text editor and then compare the "letters and numbers" (the checksum). They should be exactly the same if the video was copied correctly. The only exception is the checksum for the menus - VIDEO_TS.bup, VIDEO_TS.ifo, VIDEO_TS.vob. Sometimes the software will 'correct' the menu and so the checksums won't match. But, all the VTS_0x_x files should have *exactly* the same checksum if the video was copied correctly.

I've never run a chucksum on a disc before, but a few times on TS folders of shows I seeded here, and the process took a couple of minutes at most.
I'm doing one of the discs now and it took 20 mns to verify just one VOB file, but it showed no errors.

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 03:53 PM
Do the discs play in your player?

Try taking the discs to a friend who has a burner. See if they can get the VTS folder to drag/drop to their hard drive.
No question is a dumb question!
I have to disagree with that :cool:


I don't want to risk playing them on my standalone.

Even if I could play them, I cannot copy them, so I cannot trade them.

The trader is replacing them, has tested the new ones, and they can be copied he said, I'm just trying to figure out what happened so it doesn't happen to me in the future.

I tried dragging and dropping the video folder to my desktop as "wolf" suggested, I got the same parameter error.

So I'm still :hmm:

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 04:07 PM
This is what Shrink looks like:

U2Lynne
2008-03-08, 04:51 PM
I've never run a chucksum on a disc before, but a few times on TS folders of shows I seeded here, and the process took a couple of minutes at most.
I'm doing one of the discs now and it took 20 mns to verify just one VOB file, but it showed no errors.You are verifying a vob from your DVD? And where did you get the checksum to verify it against? Or do you mean it took 20 mins to create a checksum from one of the vobs on your DVD?

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 07:36 PM
I've never run a chucksum on a disc before, but a few times on TS folders of shows I seeded here, and the process took a couple of minutes at most.
I'm doing one of the discs now and it took 20 mns to verify just one VOB file, but it showed no errors.You are verifying a vob from your DVD? And where did you get the checksum to verify it against? Or do you mean it took 20 mins to create a checksum from one of the vobs on your DVD?

It took close to 30 minutes to create checksums for the DVD that I could not rip to my drive. Usually it takes a couple of minutes to create them for VOB files I seed.

md5summer says no errors occurred, so I am at a loss.

U2Lynne
2008-03-08, 07:46 PM
It took close to 30 minutes to create checksums for the DVD that I could not rip to my drive. Usually it takes a couple of minutes to create them for VOB files I seed.

md5summer says no errors occurred, so I am at a loss.Well, what you need to do now is compare the checksums you created to the checksums the person who made the DVDs creates for the DVD he has. If you run your own checksum on your own DVD, then you should not get any errors. You need to get a copy of the checksums from the original person.

tgunn2760
2008-03-08, 09:43 PM
It took close to 30 minutes to create checksums for the DVD that I could not rip to my drive. Usually it takes a couple of minutes to create them for VOB files I seed.

md5summer says no errors occurred, so I am at a loss.Well, what you need to do now is compare the checksums you created to the checksums the person who made the DVDs creates for the DVD he has. If you run your own checksum on your own DVD, then you should not get any errors. You need to get a copy of the checksums from the original person.


I did. I sent him mine, and he just sent me his.

He says they don't match, so we have problem,don't we?

His:

0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO
0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP
df9e02bc21c5e960e13086d2db699f5c *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.IFO
9594f596fecdf7c8968abe0a5a80b3a2 *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB
0c2fe78e5b3ac64032b903969085416a *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB
067a137f86be68ec79fe0709a5f96662 *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_2.VOB
b0a8febbc5500a9ecaec9b5d112533bf *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_3.VOB
76ae4d46e5c016ad442fe406099f3bc8 *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_4.VOB
c33239c049c774dbb27a9cb6b7287c15 *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_5.VOB
df9e02bc21c5e960e13086d2db699f5c *VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.BUP

Mine:

0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS.BUP
0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS.IFO
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_0.BUP
df9e02bc21c5e960e13086d2db699f5c *VTS_01_0.IFO
9594f596fecdf7c8968abe0a5a80b3a2 *VTS_01_0.VOB
0c2fe78e5b3ac64032b903969085416a *VTS_01_1.VOB
133fb80f8383a0ba2129fc9aef0ee6f4 *VTS_01_2.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

U2Lynne
2008-03-09, 12:19 AM
Yeah, major problem. The vob files should be *exactly* the same if the DVD is copied correctly. (This is why we want the checksums in the first post of the thread - people can immediately see if their copy was done correctly if they received it in a trade.) Also, all bup files should be exactly the same as the corresponding ifo file of the same name (bup is simply a backup of the ifo, an exact copy) and you can see that even that is not so with the second set of ifo/bup files.

The same:
0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS.BUP
0c95ed4709bda1bcf17b82f6267700a3 *VIDEO_TS.IFO
df9e02bc21c5e960e13086d2db699f5c *VTS_01_0.IFO
9594f596fecdf7c8968abe0a5a80b3a2 *VTS_01_0.VOB
0c2fe78e5b3ac64032b903969085416a *VTS_01_1.VOB

Not the same:
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_0.BUP
133fb80f8383a0ba2129fc9aef0ee6f4 *VTS_01_2.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

ameyer17
2008-03-09, 04:07 AM
Something's clearly not right.

d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_0.BUP
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

I wonder what the checksum of an empty file is.
EDIT: after further testing...
ameyer17@<hidden>:~$ touch myself (creates empty file named myself)
ameyer17@<hidden>:~$ md5sum -b myself (creates a checksum of myself in binary mode)
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *myself

AAR.oner
2008-03-09, 07:03 AM
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

i've never seen separate vob's spit out matching checksums like above...obviously there's either an issue with his system, backups, or burning process...i would ask for detalis as to how he copied these shows for you, and you'll probly want to ask for new discs once you know he/she's copying in the proper manner

tgunn2760
2008-03-09, 09:43 AM
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

i've never seen separate vob's spit out matching checksums like above...obviously there's either an issue with his system, backups, or burning process...i would ask for detalis as to how he copied these shows for you, and you'll probly want to ask for new discs once you know he/she's copying in the proper manner


I asked him to compare his master disc to the new one he burned for me, but he had already sent it out, so I will have to wait until it arrives and then compare it to the checksums of his master.

If they turn out to be identical, then the problem would appear to be a freaky bad burn. If they turn out to be different, then what? His master is not corrupt, he sent it to othes and it worked fine for them.

If this had happened to only one disc, I would easily say "freaky bad burn". But it happened with four of five discs.

ameyer17
2008-03-09, 01:06 PM
I'm thinking it's one of three possibilities:
burning software glitch
dying burner
dying dvd drive

U2Lynne
2008-03-09, 01:27 PM
Something's clearly not right.

d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_0.BUP
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_3.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_4.VOB
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *VTS_01_5.VOB

I wonder what the checksum of an empty file is.
EDIT: after further testing...
ameyer17@<hidden>:~$ touch myself (creates empty file named myself)
ameyer17@<hidden>:~$ md5sum -b myself (creates a checksum of myself in binary mode)
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *myself
I'm sorry, but that just caused me to spew some coffee. Thanks for the laugh! :D

So, what you have shown is that the checksum of an empty file is the same as the checksum of the last four vobs on the DVD the OP has. Thanks for doing the test and providing the info! I would never have thought to do that test.

tgunn2760
2008-03-09, 01:29 PM
I'm thinking it's one of three possibilities:
burning software glitch
dying burner
dying dvd drive

I don't know, it needs to be investigated.

When he ran md5summer it took him more than 20 minutes, which is very long for a disc that doesn't have errors.

It took me less than three minutes to make checksums of TS folders on my drive, about 30 minutes to make checksums of the disc he sent me that I cannot copy. No errors showed on it, but it's not identical to his master disc.

Hope it's just a burning glitch that won't happen again.

pawel
2008-03-09, 07:34 PM
Check Disc Quality (at 8x) and eventually Scan Disc with http://www.cdspeed2000.com I expect it won't finish the test as you have file access problem but at least you will see how the disc was burnt. Post screenshot of the quality scan.