Music Categories for torrents??

[saltman]

We have been discussing whether categories would add to the search experience here or if it would distract.

Would preset groups be best to choose from? or user created groups?

The predefined categories that are being tossed around are:

Rock and Roll
Blues
Jazz
Folk
Bluegrass
Classical
Hip Hop
Electronic
Jam Band


What are your thoughts?

[daddyray]

duke ellington said there are two kinds of music...good and bad. If the poster wishes to categorize their post then put it in the title. I have enjoyed the browsing and suggestions from others as a means to find music that is new to me. There are not so many torrents posted each day that it would matter much. The categories over at DaD seem rather worthless and on occasion off the mark.
Leave well enough alone.
that's my two cents

[Patty Mac]

IMO, I think it could be useful here as long as we don't get out of control like DIME and have 50 different categories. I did vote for user set groups, but either way wouldn't matter, to me, its a good idea.

[possessed]

Dime does it but I have problems with it. A band like Slayer or NWA are easily categorized but I see bands like AC/DC under heavy metal, rock, arena rock, classical rock et al. It doesn't make category searches easy. As long as you can search for a band by name, that's all we need.

And I agree with you, daddyrayoll, too many categories at DaD have proven worthless. :disbelief

[dcbullet]

I see bands like AC/DC under heavy metal, rock, arena rock, classical rock et al. It doesn't make category searches easy.

IMO, all that is "Rock and Roll."

[possessed]

IMO, all that is "Rock and Roll."
Tell that to DaD and all the people that disagree. :disbelief

[direwolf-pgh]

IF the new Tags/Categories do not affect the current Search results - then sure.

IF the new Tags/Categories affect the Search results like at DaD - forget it.

Im not slamming DaD. its just a fact and point of reference to the matter.

there are features at this site I still havent explored/realized after 2yrs.

Keep It Simple

[Audioarchivist]

I once tried to tell and ex-roommate of mine that line about the two types of music : good and bad...

...he cut me off before I could finish:
"... yeah I know there's only two types of music : country AND western..." :lol:

what a moron!


Anyway, I think pigeon holing music into sub categories isn't needed. My brain is going blank right now, but there's lots of music that's not so easy to define, and crosses those boundaries of what's rock and what's jazz or whatever...

Hey, I guess some people feel the need to organize into smaller exclusive groups in order to feel stronger...
Since I'm usually left on the outside looking in, I vote no categorizing of torrents.

[dcbullet]

Tell that to DaD and all the people that disagree. :disbelief

I don't need to worry about DaD, just TTD. :D

[Five]

Personally I don't have any use for categories

some bands more than one applies

others just get labelled 'wrong'

are the Eagles country? is RATM hip hop? :hmm:

[trustthex]

i had started a thread about this, for a specific jazz forum... i voted for user defined? which i'm not exactly sure is what i wanted, but its close enough. my proposal would be something like user defined/maintained groups. perhaps have special moderators for those groups that have a pretty good knowledge of the group, what fits and what doesnt.

have a list that lists everything posted regardless of group, and also specific forums. these forums would have to be moderated (or have a way to report to mods), so incase ratm makes it into the jazz forum, it could be kicked back out into general population...

i dont think all of the specific groups (rock, hiphop, etc) for everything are necessary, but breakout groups for specific things, jazz, classical, artists currently on tour, perhaps one for jambands (although it seems most of that stuff ends up on etree).

totally disjointed, but i think my .02 are here.

[U2Lynne]

Good idea for this thread. I had been under the impression that more people wanted categories around here.

[ep620]

I like preset categories. :thumbsup :wave:

[dementrium]

Voted NO.

Changed my mind because it would add an extra trollable aspect to torrents. Everyone wants to show their huge musical knowledge, so there will be the usual arguments of "OMG, you labeled this as tytewewa!! and bla-bla-bla".

[pawel]

I voted "yes" but sometimes on DaD you may see i.e. "The Cure = Folk" :lol

[AAR.oner]

i vote NO, we all know how accurate people's take on labeling is

if ya want to label yer torrents, put it in the torrent thread title...simple as that

[paddington]

I like the idea, but I've never seen it work anywhere. People always label things wrong... but who am I to decide it's wrong? I think a lot of bands don't fit in one genre or another so the label system would be of little value since it could act as a faulty search filter - and the longer it is implemented, the less accurate it'll become.

nah.

[rosc2112]

Categories are superfluous.

[woofer]

I think categories are a bad idea, especially if someone doing a search then has to properly guess what category their band might be in - either you don't get results shown even though your band is somewhere, or you have to run multiple queries guessing what category someone put your band in, or you do not get complete results, as the band might be in other categories too, etc, etc - you get the picture.
If somehow categories are put in regardless, my strong suggestion is to make sure that search can be done across all categories.
As I said, I don't see the benefits of categories, but see negatives. The only way categories may be good is if they are very distinct and non-overlapping, for example: rock, classical, jazz .... but as everything here would generally fall into the same category on that level, and be of interest to the same people, don't split it up further, because that just introduces more regular daily ongoing user confusion as to what might be in or fit in what category (ie - even rock vs. blues). It splits band up, as some people will put them in one category, some in another, some in a third, etc, confusing others later interested in that band.

[sanpablobay]

Prime example of why i voted no. on dime Buckethead is listed as Alternate, Rock, Progressive Rock, & Heavy Metal.

[rainy12]

I once worked at a record store where they had Harry Chapin under Comedy.

Cross genre bands have made even the old standards of Rock, Jazz, Soul, Classical, Comedy, Big Band, Religious and Country difficult to manage. Would duplicate, triplicate etc. entries have to appear to appease those who believe a band belongs in a certain category?

Then you have to deal with "____ band is not _____ it is _____." arguments which attract idiocy galore, like someone who tells his buddies that so and so is listed under whatever at TTD and all his buddies join not to trade but solely to argue about the label.

Occasionally a band comes along that is so new that even a internet search reveals very little. In that case the original poster could for the curious give a clue to the type of music.

[Jesus Christ]

please don't allow User-Defined genres!!!!!!!!!!

please!!!!!!!!

many-a-time i've typed "psychedelic" into a p2p program and friggin' Elton John has come up............:mad:

TTD is beautiful as it is....... it encourages eclecticism........ no need to catagorise stuff....... in fact, there's just no need to change stuff here at all.

[AAR.oner]

we're not going to...i'm with you on how irritating it is that many people can't properly categorize a band when choosing the tag, and that it limits what this site has always wanted to promote--learning about new & diverse music :thumbsup

[Jesus Christ]

we're not going to...i'm with you on how irritating it is that many people can't properly categorize a band when choosing the tag, and that it limits what this site has always wanted to promote--learning about new & diverse music :thumbsupyou nailed it.:thumbsup

[chinajoe]

categories can be both good and bad.

good, as it can narrow your search.
bad cause you cannot see other genres.

what if someone doesnt think zeppelin is rock, but look through heavy metal. they'd miss the torrent. i can just imagine the arguments in the torrent threads. take the beatles.
werent they a skiffle band at one point, then classic rock, then psychadelic? or the doors? rock/classic rock/psychadelic.

with that being said, its best to take olive oil's advice.
"i know me stuff and am smart enough to leave well enough alone"

[LeifH12345]

You sorta need to know what to look for.

[saltman]

pasted for vlad (don't make it a habit)

I want to take this opportunity to add my two cents to the poll regarding music categories currently in the "Site suggestions" forum. This video serves as a great example of the topic. This video would be listed as "Jazz". Even though someone looking for Carlos Santana would not find it listed (his name is not in the torrent title), this video would be "Jazz". When I archive my text files, I categorize them by music genre - Jazz, Rock, Classic Rock, Bluegrass, Blues etc. I find this method useful to locate files in a timely manner.
I think the categories, if instituted, should encompass the music style - not the artist. I'm not endorsing the notion, just adding my observation. Obviously, some titles would slip through the cracks, as mentioned in the thread/poll I refer to. So, while the system would be flawed (depending on the discretion of the seeder in choosing a genre), I think categories could be a useful tool. A seach of "Jazz" would show a finite list of torrents - this one for instance. A keyword search for "Santana" would include this torrent in a list which most likely also include "Latin", "Rock" or "Classic Rock" as it is included in the description text file .

If someone wants to paste this in the "Site suggestions" I would appreciate it. Thanks.

[AAR.oner]

I want to take this opportunity to add my two cents to the poll regarding music categories currently in the "Site suggestions" forum. This video serves as a great example of the topic. This video would be listed as "Jazz". Even though someone looking for Carlos Santana would not find it listed (his name is not in the torrent title), this video would be "Jazz". When I archive my text files, I categorize them by music genre - Jazz, Rock, Classic Rock, Bluegrass, Blues etc. I find this method useful to locate files in a timely manner.
I think the categories, if instituted, should encompass the music style - not the artist. I'm not endorsing the notion, just adding my observation. Obviously, some titles would slip through the cracks, as mentioned in the thread/poll I refer to. So, while the system would be flawed (depending on the discretion of the seeder in choosing a genre), I think categories could be a useful tool. A seach of "Jazz" would show a finite list of torrents - this one for instance. A keyword search for "Santana" would include this torrent in a list which most likely also include "Latin", "Rock" or "Classic Rock" as it is included in the description text file .

If someone wants to paste this in the "Site suggestions" I would appreciate it. Thanks.


as has been stated numerous times above in this thread, we are not going to be using any sort of category/genre tags here at The Den

[vladsmythe]

as has been stated numerous times above in this thread, we are not going to be using any sort of category/genre tags here at The Den There you have it. Seems to me this case is closed. :) Next topic..?

[U2Lynne]

Tagging of your torrent threads is now allowed. This will allow those of you who like to categorize your shows to do so. This was just an addition, the same old filtering of shows via audience, soundboard, FM, etc is still there also.

[ccrider895]

as has been stated numerous times above in this thread, we are not going to be using any sort of category/genre tags here at The Den


Is that so? :lol:





:wave:

[U2Lynne]

Hehe. We aren't implementing anything like Dime where you need to select a genre and then you can only sort via that genre. This is a totally optional thing.