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lovelyladylucy
2007-09-10, 02:32 PM
I am looking to back up my hard drive to DVDs, and was wondering if there are any disadvantages in using RAM discs, or are the plus/minus variety more reliable, I would be sooo grateful for any advice

artood2
2007-09-10, 08:16 PM
as long as your pc an others can read the disc there should be no difference.

trustthex
2007-09-10, 10:06 PM
just make sure you get good discs whatever you do...

http://supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-r-media.html

pretty much the disc of choice around these parts, its a little more expensive than your walmart discs, but its worth it in data integrity.

also, be sure to verify your fingerprints/md5 files prior to and post burning, to make sure the files you put on the disc are good, then that they are also good on the disc. pretty much everything i can think of.

Tubular
2007-09-11, 02:24 AM
Taiyo Yudens are the best, but DVD+Rs are better than DVD-Rs. This disc model [YUDEN00T02] was named one of the five best blank DVDs ever made by digitalfaq:
http://supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-plus-r-media.html

I'm not too familiar with DVD-RAM discs. Are they re-writable? Write-once media lasts longer than re-writable media. This site says that DVD-RAM discs can be used much like an optical hard drive (I guess that means re-writable?), but that it isn't very compatible for video. Very few DVD players will play a DVD-RAM video disc (the video files are in VRO format). I didn't see any blank DVD-RAM discs on www.supermediastore.com I guess they are not that popular.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdformats.htm

Johnny Thunder
2007-09-11, 08:19 AM
DVD RAM is like DVD RW, but ALOT more reliable. Not all DVD writers will write to DVD RAM disks however, so you really need to be sure your drive will actualy write to DVD RAM before you go and buy anything. Another FANTASTIC source for disks is www.rima.com. For better prices, www.shop4tech.com is better than supermediastore. Go ahead and compare prices, you'll see. If you'd like a shop4tech referal for an additional 10% off, PM me your email address and I'll send you a referal.

JT

AAR.oner
2007-09-12, 06:41 AM
For better prices, www.shop4tech.com is better than supermediastore. Go ahead and compare prices, you'll see.
unfortunately, i checked that site and it doesn't tell you if yer getting TY firsts [Premium line] or seconds [Value line] like supermediastore, nor do they list the media code to know which type it is [they do list the mfgr part #]

also, and maybe this is just an anomaly, but i checked a few different discs and here's the prices i got :hmm:

TY 8x DVD+R silvers:
shop4tech 100 spindle $59.99
supermediastore 100 spindle $39.99

TY 16x DVD-R silvers:
shop4tech 100 spindle $47.00
supermediastore 100 spindle $28.99

Verbatim DVD+R 6X Double Layer
shop4tech 20 spindle $45.80
supermediastore 20 spindle $38.99

kidrocklive
2008-02-26, 08:59 PM
Taiyo Yudens are the best, but DVD+Rs are better than DVD-Rs. This disc model [YUDEN00T02] was named one of the five best blank DVDs ever made by digitalfaq:
http://supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-plus-r-media.html


are they better than the gold plated MAM-A discs? I know they cost a lot more though but was just curious.

Tubular
2008-02-26, 09:54 PM
the gold discs are probably better because gold won't oxidize over time like silver. I wonder how many ppl use them? On this site gold DVD-Rs are about $2.00 each:
http://www.mediasupply.com/mamgold.html

kidrocklive
2008-02-26, 11:17 PM
hmm I might get some and gradually back up everything, just not do it all at once so it doesn't seem like such a big project or cost lol. Thanks for the link. Just got weigh in the 60 dollars for TY discs or the 200 for the MAM-A discs (I'd need 100 of em lol). That's be the cheapest way to go, buying gold plated cds for my audio show back ups would be hell.

Tubular
2008-02-26, 11:33 PM
MAM-A also makes gold DVD+Rs, which are supposed to be better than DVD-R. http://www.mam-a.com/products/dvd_product_list.htm

I hardly ever burn audio CD-Rs any more. I just archive FLACs to DVD+R and play back the FLACs on my PC > coax digital out > receiver.

vladsmythe
2008-02-26, 11:35 PM
I burn all video twice as dvd video file. Then a data disc of the entire torrent file. Always keep the discs cool, and safe. Make sure you burn at slowest speed, using quality brand discs, and at least one of the discs will outlast you. Keep all cds/dvds vertical to avoid warping. Here's how I do it.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0940.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0947.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0949.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0950.jpg

vladsmythe
2008-02-26, 11:50 PM
In one shot you'll see a basketball on the floor, a couple of cases of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and some milk crates filled with about 2000 Grateful Dead cassettes that my wife wants me to get rid of. Any takers?

kidrocklive
2008-02-27, 12:08 AM
I burn all video twice as dvd video file. Then a data disc of the entire torrent file. Always keep the discs cool, and safe. Make sure you burn at slowest speed, using quality brand discs, and at least one of the discs will outlast you. Keep all cds/dvds vertical to avoid warping. Here's how I do it.


good god lol, I don't have anywhere near that much stuff. I was just wanting to back up stuff for 2 maybe 3 artists haha. Burning twice would be ideal for sure.

kidrocklive
2008-02-27, 12:09 AM
why do the discs "warp" if they're not vertical?

vladsmythe
2008-02-27, 12:13 AM
why do the discs "warp" if they're not vertical? I've seen discs left in warm places for a long time that have warped. Dashboards are not a good idea, so I'm always careful. Oh, and that's only about half of my archive I have shown. My dvds have a wall of their own, and I'm building more shelves this week.

vladsmythe
2008-02-27, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=vladsmythe;806099]I burn all video twice as dvd video file. Then a data disc of the entire torrent file. Always keep the discs cool, and safe. Make sure you burn at slowest speed, using quality brand discs, and at least one of the discs will outlast you. Keep all cds/dvds vertical to avoid warping. Here's how I do it.

good god lol, I don't have anywhere near that much stuff. I was just wanting to back up stuff for 2 maybe 3 artists haha. Burning twice would be ideal for sure. You have to realize that 1 artist - The Grateful Dead is several thousand discs. I use slim double and slim triple jewel cases. The shots of drawers with cds is all Dead. The other stuff goes downstairs in the lab.

vladsmythe
2008-02-27, 12:32 AM
Oh yeah, I also store my videotape collection the same way, spine up - never flat. This is the Graceful Duck Archive...900 hrs of videotape. Note the quilt my wife is making on the floor...http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0943.jpg

kidrocklive
2008-02-27, 12:58 AM
why do the discs "warp" if they're not vertical? I've seen discs left in warm places for a long time that have warped. Dashboards are not a good idea, so I'm always careful. Oh, and that's only about half of my archive I have shown. My dvds have a wall of their own, and I'm building more shelves this week.

My god, and here I am debating on spending money to back up 50 dvds of data (100 if I do your method of having 2 copies) lol.

kidrocklive
2008-02-27, 12:59 AM
does your wife enjoy all of that, or does she just accept it as your hobby? That's a ton of stuff lol

vladsmythe
2008-02-27, 10:44 AM
does your wife enjoy all of that, or does she just accept it as your hobby? That's a ton of stuff lol

As long as I keep the Bob Dylan coming in she's cool. It's hard to get upset with collecting music when you have been to 300+ Grateful Dead shows together...

saltman
2008-02-27, 12:05 PM
Wow. That's pretty impressive. I wish my stuff was so organized. I started to label covers and use slim line cases but it took up so much room so quickly, I abandoned the idea. I now have everything on spindles. And it sucks. Potential to get scratched when searching for a disc and lots of other bad things. But it doesn't take up much space. I think I am going to use these soon when I get back into an organization mood.
http://www.supermediastore.com/cd-dvd-storage-case-aluminum-metal-like-720-capacity.html
They are pretty cheap and don't take up a lot of room.

kidrocklive
2008-02-27, 12:17 PM
does your wife enjoy all of that, or does she just accept it as your hobby? That's a ton of stuff lol

As long as I keep the Bob Dylan coming in she's cool. It's hard to get upset with collecting music when you have been to 300+ Grateful Dead shows together...

they play that much around you or do you two travel all over god's creation lol

That's really cool though.

U2Lynne
2008-02-27, 12:38 PM
does your wife enjoy all of that, or does she just accept it as your hobby? That's a ton of stuff lol

As long as I keep the Bob Dylan coming in she's cool. It's hard to get upset with collecting music when you have been to 300+ Grateful Dead shows together...
Do you get a chance to actually watch a lot of that? I know I have really, really slowed down on my downloading because I found that I was archiving too much of it without ever watching it. So, now I make sure to only download stuff I will watch/listen to.

That's a very nice setup you have there, Bill!

vladsmythe
2008-02-27, 01:05 PM
QUOTE=U2Lynne;806412]does your wife enjoy all of that, or does she just accept it as your hobby? That's a ton of stuff lol

As long as I keep the Bob Dylan coming in she's cool. It's hard to get upset with collecting music when you have been to 300+ Grateful Dead shows together...
Do you get a chance to actually watch a lot of that? I know I have really, really slowed down on my downloading because I found that I was archiving too much of it without ever watching it. So, now I make sure to only download stuff I will watch/listen to.

That's a very nice setup you have there, Bill![/QUOTE]

Lynne, the 900 hrs of videotape has all been viewed in realtime. Many of the Grateful Dead shows were given to me in trade, and have been upraded by the pros who frequent this site (thank you!). The rest was painstakingly recorded from television over about 20 years. I watched it all, most was edited to remove commercials, so they were watched twice. Many have been revisited frequently. Sometimes when I search for something to transfer to dvd for sharing here, my jaw drops! I am sitting on some serious content. It dismays me when people give me grief for my ratio when I get so much pleasure in sharing my collection.:cool:
This is my first solid oak cd cabinet. It holds 1800 cassettes. http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0944.jpg

Tubular
2008-02-27, 02:51 PM
It dismays me when people give me grief for my ratio when I get so much pleasure in sharing my collection.:cool:

just let it roll off like water off a duck's back :thumbsup

Tubular
2008-02-27, 02:58 PM
hmm I might get some and gradually back up everything, just not do it all at once so it doesn't seem like such a big project or cost lol. Thanks for the link. Just got weigh in the 60 dollars for TY discs or the 200 for the MAM-A discs (I'd need 100 of em lol). That's be the cheapest way to go, buying gold plated cds for my audio show back ups would be hell.

I just got a 100 spindle of shiny silver thermal 8X Taiyo Yuden DVD+Rs [YUDEN00T02] for $45 with free shipping from www.shop4tech.com supermediastore was sold out a few days ago.

Five
2008-02-27, 04:18 PM
I burn all video twice as dvd video file. Then a data disc of the entire torrent file. Always keep the discs cool, and safe. Make sure you burn at slowest speed, using quality brand discs, and at least one of the discs will outlast you. Keep all cds/dvds vertical to avoid warping. Here's how I do it.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0940.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0947.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0949.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0950.jpg
fuck that's awesome! :clap:

dementrium
2008-02-28, 01:31 PM
And I thought the Duck Archive was a joke. Congrats, Vlad! :clap::clap::clap:

Did you make/design all this cabinets/drawers? (I want to hire you). :lol:
Seriously, I would like to know if these drawers open 100% to easily handle all its contents. What type of rails (do you call it this way?) do you use.

I have a similar setup, but drawers open at about 75%, so I cannot easily reach the discs placed at the back. I have to make new ones but cannot decide which path to take now: shelves or drawers.

So, if you can take some close-up pictures of the drawers to view the 'opening' mechanism, it would be great.

(Hope you understand this fucked-up English. I lack of carpentry vocabulary, as well :down: ).

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0940.jpg

vladsmythe
2008-02-28, 02:15 PM
And I thought the Duck Archive was a joke. Congrats, Vlad! :clap::clap::clap:

Did you make/design all this cabinets/drawers? (I want to hire you). :lol:
Seriously, I would like to know if these drawers open 100% to easily handle all its contents. What type of rails (do you call it this way?) do you use.

I have a similar setup, but drawers open at about 75%, so I cannot easily reach the discs placed at the back. I have to make new ones but cannot decide which path to take now: shelves or drawers.

So, if you can take some close-up pictures of the drawers to view the 'opening' mechanism, it would be great.

(Hope you understand this fucked-up English. I lack of carpentry vocabulary, as well :down: ).

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x316/vladsmythe/IMG_0940.jpg

No, I didn't design them. I asked a woodworker to do it for me. I gave him a few cassettes and he designed/built my first cabinet. It held a couple thousand. The drawers open to expose the entire contents so each cd case is easily removed. It is Cantilever hardware that makes it work. They pull out very smoothly, and they are very strong. I had a twin made for the cassette cabinet because I quickly out grew it. The cost back in 1988 for the first one was $1700. The man who made them also was the guy who built the altar for the Pope when he visited here in Monterey in 1987, so the skill level was supurb. I then had a tall cabinet made to house my videotape collection as you can see in the picture. In the shot you showed (the cds) that was actually the twin cassette cabinet that I had retrofitted to hold all of my Grateful Dead sbds. My GD auds are stored elsewhere. Intrerestingly, when we remodled our home, the carpenter who made our built-in floor to ceiling bookshelves in the living room used extra oak to retro-fit the cabinet. He never charged me for it, so I gave him the extra cantilever hardware.

The shelves in "The lab" are built by myself with 3/4 by 4 inch pine. It costs me about $60 and an hour of time to cut and attach to the wall. All told, I'm at about 16,000 cds, and 2000 dvds.

Gotta go. More cabinets to build!:wave:

dementrium
2008-02-28, 03:01 PM
Thanks for the cantilever tip. :thumbsup

Man, you have quite a few music to listen to on retirement. :wtf:

The man who made them also was the guy who built the altar for the Pope when he visited here in Monterey in 1987,

So, this story from Monterey 1987 has to be true.

Someone in the crowd: "Who's the one standing at the right of Vlad?"
Someone else in the crowd: "It's the Pope!"