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lehnhard
2007-08-04, 05:01 PM
What do you think ?

Name: TAK Version: 1.0.1 Size : 580 KB
Homepage: http://www.thbeck.de/Tak/Tak.html
Licence : Freeware

Results on the FLAC-Codec homepage : http://flac.sourceforge.net/comparison.html

TAK means (T)om's - lossless- (A)udio(k)ompressor formerly known as YALAC

give it a try and let us know

weedwacker
2007-08-04, 05:47 PM
I don't see it being used as a standard until the source is opened up and it is made easily portable between oses. The amount of compression achieved is promising but not enough to overcome the above to be widely accepted.

AAR.oner
2007-08-05, 10:36 AM
looks interesting, but i gotta agree regarding cross-platform compatibility...no matter how good a codec it might be, if its only gonna be available to windows users, the trading community will never switch...on top of that, i'm not sure a 2 or 3% increase in compression ratio would catch my attention really, its not that big of a jump

i would try it out anyways just to give it a shot, but i don't run a windows machine...let us know if you ever decide to support the Mac OS :thumbsup

U2Lynne
2007-08-05, 11:47 AM
Yep. Look at mkw - most trackers banned it because of non-cross-platform availability. Apple's lossless also had problems for the same reason - you had to use iTunes and not everyone wanted to install it. And, as Aaron stated, the compressions difference is not that great.

weedwacker
2007-08-05, 12:04 PM
Here is an idea of how tak stands against other lossless codecs including the newest flac release.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/comparison.html

Al FS
2007-08-06, 07:44 AM
I say it should be banned as well if it isn't already.

possessed
2007-08-07, 02:23 AM
I brought this up in February.

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34230&highlight=lossless+codec

diggrd
2007-08-07, 07:44 AM
I brought this up in February.

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34230&highlight=lossless+codec
I was sure I had seen this some time ago

U2Lynne
2007-08-07, 10:12 AM
I brought this up in February.

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34230&highlight=lossless+codec
Yeah, but you posted in The Lounge. None of us Technobabbilites go there to read technical stuff. :cool:

pawel
2007-08-08, 08:43 AM
My 2c: nothing bits Monkey's Audio, and pity that it's not considered as a codec standard.

AAR.oner
2007-08-08, 05:53 PM
My 2c: nothing bits Monkey's Audio, and pity that it's not considered as a codec standard.
yet again, the developers only offer Windows support

i'm pretty sure there is a patch now available for decoding, but unless the actual developers start supporting all OS's, i don't really see a codec becoming the "standard"

weedwacker
2007-08-08, 06:24 PM
yet again, the developers only offer Windows support

i'm pretty sure there is a patch now available for decoding, but unless the actual developers start supporting all OS's, i don't really see a codec becoming the "standard"

The source code is open so any developer can port it if they so choose. It just seems nobody has bothered to do so yet. I think the real issue here is the amount of resources it takes for playback that will ultimately drive the developers to any particular opensource compression scheme. I'm no developer but my understanding is flac has the lowest requirements and that is why you see the most amount of hardware support for flac while you all other lossless codecs pretty much have zilch for hardware support.

weedwacker
2007-08-08, 06:37 PM
For those monkey audio supporters who can actually code here is the link to the sdk for developers.

http://www.monkeysaudio.com/developers.html

Five
2007-08-08, 06:42 PM
remember when we did this at STG? lol

FLAC decompresses very quickly on the fly, so it can be supported on portables. APE compresses significantly better but I've never seen a portable support it (does anybody know one?)... I heard the power necessary to decompress APE files on the fly would eat batteries like never seen before. Plus there's some issues for Mac and Linux users... where is sarah when we need her? What is the status of cross-os support for Monkey's Audio? It works great on my PC, I always use it to archive when I'm doing mutitrack music recording.

edit: I wrote this before I saw weedy's post :duh:

paddington
2007-08-08, 07:48 PM
Meh.... F this codec unless it improves. It takes too long to enc / dec for the slight improvement in size. HD space is cheap... getting a standard like FLAC accepted was not.

FLAC is supported in portable players now! (not that many, but hopefully we'll see it one day in the major ones)... I think the thing to do is give options for more compression in FLAC since it's already out there.

U2Lynne
2007-08-08, 08:03 PM
Shame on you, Aaron, you are able to encode and decode ape using xACT on your Mac. :disbelief

:D

I think the only codec I have seen that you may play on a portable is flac (and apple lossless on iPods).

Tubular
2007-08-08, 08:56 PM
The Microsoft Zune supports wma9 lossless I think, and they will be adding FLAC support soon if they haven't already. wma9 lossless can be encoded with dbpower amp from .wav or with Windows Media Player with CDs. It would make sense that any player that supported the newer wma codecs would also support wma9 lossless.

pawel
2007-08-09, 04:45 AM
I would stay away form the codec (wma9) which offers also lossy compression, and there is no 'stamp' on file what type of conversion was used.

paddington
2007-08-09, 04:51 AM
that's the thing with apple lossless, too - you can't tell bethe extension what the hell it is.. very confusing. Same with wma9 lossless.

Tubular
2007-08-09, 08:04 AM
I agree that apple lossless and wma lossless shouldn't be used for trading, but if you want to listen losslessly on your personal player, those formats are great. Unless your player supports FLAC, then there is no need to do a time consuming FLAC > WAV > WMA lossless or Apple lossless.