Questionable Trader: woody

[ragu421]

OK,I think Ive been had here but dont wanna "out" this guy just yet as I would like to see what some of you {and hopefully a couple moderators} have to say.A few weeks ago a guy evidently saw my list here and contacted me requesting a trade.I said "sure,send me your list".Anywho,we ended up doing a 10 disc trade with me sending his 10 discs out the same day like I always do.Couple weeks later he sends me his end and not one single disc would play on my JVC or Sony player or my computers disc drive.I contacted him today and he said it was a compatibility issue and it was just basically "tough shit".I explained I would like to work this out and would send him his discs back for him to see for himself and his reply was "I spent several hours burning them and I know they play.What do you want me to do about it?"Im not the sort of fellow that wants to bash this guys rep here but...well.....what do you guys think?Would this constitute a "bad trader" or what?
Thanks all!Especially to the good traders that Ive traded with the past year or so here.Its been a hoot!

[retired]

Are the discs PAL & does your dvd player play them? That is a 'compatibility issue' if not...Though his response makes him appear to be an a$$hole, he did send you discs. If he wanted to rip you off, he could have not sent you anything.

[ragu421]

Thanks for your input and I do agree that if he were a thief he would have just sent nothing.MaybeI am just a little bit different as a trader in that I feel that it is my responsibility to make sure that you get what you are expecting to get from me.Now I have no control over the actual quality of the film and or audio and try to be as accurate as possible in describing the quality of the shows on my list.I also make note of whether or not they are "Pal" formatted discs.FYI,My player will play pal formatted discs.I learned about different formats on basically my first trade.Ha Ha and corrected that problem by buying a better,more current player.Hell,I cant even get 'em to play on my computer.I actually had some dialogue with this trader last night and there are a couple things I am going to try and wont "out" this trader because that just isnt the way I am.I mean both of us will survive {like he said} and its not going to be the end of the world but I would have liked to have gotton the shows I was looking forward to getting and if the shoe were on my hoof I would reburn and resend.I have had to do that before and,to me anyway,thats what defines a "good" trader versus a "bad trader".Im not implying he sent garbage on purpose it just appears that way. :wave:

[TedZeppelin]

I would say put them in your computer and see if there are actually legitimate Video_ts folders. With .vob files in them. If there aren't then I would say he is either trying to rip you off or doesn't know how to burn dvds.

[Five]

yeah, try playing them on your computer with vlc or media player classic, also try at a friend's house on another standalone and/or computer.

[ragu421]

Tried them in the computer and they wont play on windows media or recopy on to another disc {thought it might just be rejecting the sony junk media he sent} and no such luck.Not even will play at work on the mega million system they have.Its just one to chalk up to learning who you trade with and not making the same mistake again.Anyone need a matched set,service for 8 coaster set?

[calvin1663]

lol...sounds like someone over there has a crummy DVD player...here's an idea though: insert the discs and open them and look inside the VIDEO_TS folder, and see if there are .vob files in there that actually have size (ie, greater than about 100MB). if not, he did try to screw you, if so, he's prolly got a crappy burner/burned to junky media at 30x+ while playing a fullscreen game, listening to music, watching a movie and checking email :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

anyways, sorry to hear ya got screwed...:(

cheers, calvin

[roberthunter]

I say out the dude. I sure don't want to trade with him.

[ragu421]

First I dont think its my player.I recently ugraded to a Denon dvd-5910 and Ive not ever had any problems playing disc's {audio or video}.I really dont wanna "publicly out this guy" but if you send me a PM Ill tell ya who he is.He is pretty active around here and I know some people have had "good trades" with him and he probably is a good guy but he sure didnt do me right.What kina burns me is that he saw my list and contacted me asking for a trade.Then this?
Anybody have any of the reunion Van Halen shows you might wanna trade?I had tickets for Greenville SC 9.15.04 BUT THE BAND BROKE UP SHORTLY BEFORE AND CANCELLED THIS SHOW.I was really looking forward to seeing them on this tour too.
db.etree.org/ragu420

[U2Lynne]

Well, it's interesting that you can't play them on your computer or your standalone player.

What does the disc format look like - what are the contents. Perhaps he put some files in the wrong place (like left an md5 in the VIDEO_TS folder). Are you on a PC? Is he also on a PC?

[retired]

Ragu, did you do calvin's suggestion and open the VIDEO_TS folder and see what exactly is in it? (as far as making sure th VOB, BUP, etc files are not only there, but the size of all of them?)

and i've gotta say, i'm starting to agree w/ Robert, i think he should be 'outed', just so peeps know, if the trade doesnt work out on his end, he's gonna be an a$$hole & not try to work out the issues.

[woody]

Okay, who wants the OTHER side of the story?
I am the one who sent Ragu the DVDS,
1) I am not a thief. why the hell would I send him anything at all if I was trying to rip him off?
2) I made alot of DVDS that day, and I have checked with the traders I sent them to= they have no problems with the stuff I burned that day.
3) I have been trading since before alot of people around here were born going back many years when tapetrading first started, and I am well aware of how to make a DVD.
4) Not once have I not responded to his emails
5) I offered to send him some blanks for his trouble and pay his postage for what he sent me. He refused saying "I am through with this, I dont care anymore"
6) All I ever get from Ragu is scattered emails, calling me names, swearing at me, and stuff like that.
7) I am confident that the DVDS I burned for him were done right, there is no way I sent him 10 blank DVDS as he claims, that is just insane. I spent several hours burning those that day.
8) Ragu offered to send the DVD back to me, and wanted me to re-burn the shows he wanted. I asked him "what if the 'bad' DVDS play in MY machine but dont play in yours? what is the sense in me sending you more?"
9) And Ragu is wrong about Sony DVDS, they are very high quality.
10) the Calvin above me is also wrong: I dont watch movies or play games on my pc.

Truthfully, I shouldnt even be wasting my time , but I hate a "one sided affair" like this....ha ha..
So, if you all want to "out" me as claimed, oh wel...I will survive.

[Five]

woody, you make some good points but bottom line is you should accept Ragu's offer to mail you back the DVDs you burned & have you resend working ones. He has tried everything to try to get the data off and they are not working. You can't ignore that.

[woody]

Five,
Yes, that is a good idea....BUT, what if the stuff he sends back to me DOES play on my machine? Then there is something wrong on his end correct?j
I dont wanna waste my time and money sending him another 10 DVDS if they are just gonna not play again. That is my point.

[calvin1663]

if there's something legit wrong with the DVDs you sent, you should be the one to own up to it...innocent until proven guilty, right? It may be a pain in the ass to get them back and test them on your machine (something you should ALWAYS do before sending something), but it seems that the problem may lie on your end, as Ragu has a DVD player that plays PAL and NTSC discs...if the stuff he sends back does work on your machine, email him back and explain. Also, you raise two irrelevant points: 1. You're older than the rest of us and therefore are more knowledgeable about these things. This is just plain illogical, as my dad (who was one of the first people on the internet when it started) who's older than I am (and was a grateful dead bootlegger way back when) doesn't know squat compared to what my-haven't-graduated-high-school-yet experience with trading is...being older doesn't mean squat :hmm: 2. You say that these sony DVDs are "high quality"...there are different kinds of brands, and just because it's sony doesn't necessarily mean it's high quality...in my experience, sony is generally a very much looked down upon media source, as it is generally made for the non-caring public...I use TDKs, they're much more reliable, mabye this is the problem?


and also, I was joking about the games/movies, didn't you get that?!?!?! :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:


calvin

[Five]

Five,
Yes, that is a good idea....BUT, what if the stuff he sends back to me DOES play on my machine? Then there is something wrong on his end correct?j
I dont wanna waste my time and money sending him another 10 DVDS if they are just gonna not play again. That is my point.
if they do work on your machine then it is necessary to discuss what to do next. Ragu has used dvds before and has tested yours on more than one computer and standalone. the only logical conclusion is that there is something wrong with your discs. he is even willing to spend postage money to mail the 10 coasters back just to satisfy your curiosity.

[ragu421]

Oh please.Calling people names and insulting them is so beneath me and the people here who have traded,etc with me in the past know better.You never once said you would reburn these and make these right.I am reburning a couple discs tonite for a trade I did a while back and burnt at too high speed.IMO that is the single solitary ingrediaent that defines whether you are a good trader or not.Ive thrown these dvd's away and will find them elsewhere and just be careful next time.Like I told you earlier,privately,I am thru with this and it really aint no biggie.

[ragu421]

Close this!

[Ken99]

Hi Everyone,

I had the pleasure of trading with Woody
- excellent list
- great communication
- good guy
- honest
- patient
- understanding
- great packaging
- quality media

We are all lucky to have him as a member of our group.

I was so happy with him that I am currently involved in another trade with Woody right now.

Thanks Mike! Can't wait to get the new stuff.

later,
ken99

[funkygibbon666]

Just want to say thanks to these top traders for my first flurry of snail mail trades at the Den. All went off with nary a hitch and swift as, er, a swift.

All were helpful, understanding, kept in contact. If any of you want to go again anytime then thats fine with me :wave:

All the best

Dave the funkygibbon

[Ken99]

Hi Dave,

I agree. Woody is an excellent trader.

later,
ken99

[Jim]

Hi Ken and Woody, wanna trade cdrs? If so send me your lists to :

[email protected]

[pixiestix69]

Woody aka Mike Sweeney

Location: Stoughton, Mass

Emails: "mud" <[email protected]>
woody3232 (at) comcast (dot) net

I set up a trade with him on the 5th of October
He wanted 2 devo shows from me in wich I explained
the quality of both shows to him. 8/14/04 wich is really good quality video/sound
and 8/2/96 wich I told him the video quality is A- & the sound has tape noise (wich is from the original tape)
on it, but doesnt really distract from the show. He agreed to the trade & we decided to send.
after about a week I emailed him with no replies whatsoever to keep me informed of the progress.
after bout 2 more emails I sent him over the 2 & 1/2 week period I decided to pm the guy cuz i noticed his logins have been quite frequent
to the site. I get a reply back from him:
"dont ever email me again
the Devo 88 and 96 dvd is a fuckkking disaster!! the audio on both these shows are terrible, these should not be circulated.
what the hell is going on here? I have sent you several emails that do not get through to you"

Its pretty funny how I get a PM from him as soon as "I" Pm "him"

I replied back saying
"I guess that means you didnt even send my package out like you were saposed to...
Your giving trading a bad name."
and
"dude wtf?
at least give me my devo back"

in wich he replied back saying:
"I am not spending my own money on your mistake,
you send me the postage money and you can have them back.
Besides...what gives trading a worser name, you put those on your list as A- ?? good god, these are D- at best."

on that dvd was a show from 96 that comes on the same dvd as the 88 show
wich is basically a freebie that he didnt even choose, but im not about to reauthor the dvd & remove it for his convenience.
I told him about the sound straight up before he agreed to the trade.
But I guess by what hes saying is that he wont send the trade or any of my dvds back.

Why do I have to pay for my devo shows to get back to me?
this is rediculous.....

Dont trade with this person.

[ragu421]

Yeah, I ditto that.Woody is a cocksucker!He ripped me off too.Sent me a bunch of blank dvd's instead of the trade we agreed on.Finally, someone else see's this thief for what he is.A motherfuckin thief! Dont trade with him! You will regret it!! He is not a good trader and is a piece of shit in my book! Ive blacklisted him.I wouldnt trade with him again if my life depended on it.Thing is, if he wanted a B&P all he had to do was ask and Id have done it.I guess to him a trade is,I send you a bunch of worthless blanks and you send me shows.No, I havent forgotton you Woody.You are the SINGLE,ONLY bad trade Ive had here in 2+ years! :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: FUCK YOU!!

[woody]

I have no idea who you people are? :thumbsup

[woody]

Hey check that out, Woody is a great trader....hmmm..weird huh Pixie and Ragu, the ultimate bad traders...

[woody]

I have done several trades with Ken, no problems... :lol

[woody]

thanks guys.... :clap:

[ragu421]

Hey check that out, Woody is a great trader....hmmm..weird huh Pixie and Ragu, the ultimate bad traders...
Maybe you are doing things right now to "re-deem" yourself.I have also been PM'd by other people who have had problems with you and your sending harrasing emails.Im happy everybody got their discs from you or maybe you sent them a few bucks to "up" you around here but the people who need to know about you and your trading habits know.I wouldnt trade with you again if my life depended on it.YOU FLAT OUT RIPPED ME OFF!! Period!! End of story! I even had to block you from my email list so I wouldnt have to listen to your harrasment thats how bad it was!If you are on the right track now,then kudo's!

[pixiestix69]

Hey check that out, Woody is a great trader....hmmm..weird huh Pixie and Ragu, the ultimate bad traders...

Give me a legit reason I'm a bad trader?
Everyone who has ever traded with me knows I dont fuck around like you do.
Hope your happy ripping me off & ripping off every other respectful trader
in this community. even if your not satisfied with one dvd (that I told you about from the beggining & you excepted), you still have given me nothing for the dvd that you havent bitched about wich makes you just a frekin jerk.
I CANT WAIT TILL YOUR BANNED.......teach your lying/cheating ass a lesson.

[ragu421]

He ripped me off and I think it was pretty well documented here last year.He got my 12-14 disc's, waited a month to send his and they were all blank's.If they had been +R discs I wouldnt have even said a word.I tried to work it out privately with him and offered to send him his disc's back for his inspection and send some of my own discs {cause I know they work} and then he got an "attitude" about it.He started harrassing the shit out of me thru email and I had to go so far as have him blocked.Whats funny is when he called me a bad trader, there were about 2 dozen people that said I wasnt.Ironically, he is the only person who has ever had a problem with me that wasnt fixed immediatly.Yeah, when I got started at first,I sent out a couple of bad discs but when I was told,I promptly replaced them.I also offer B&P's {never seen Woody offer ANYTHING but excuses} and Ill vine things {thru my technically superior friend Celeste/Festafarian}.I think my reputation around here speaks for its self.Why wont you just go away Woody? YOU are the one who is gonna end up banned if you keep harassing people like you do.I know that from speaking to a mod who will remain nameless.You are walking on thin ice around here bro!

[ssiscool]

I would like to add that i would be carefull dealing with Woody.

we decided on a trade and i asked him to send first. He flat out refused so it fell through.

Then i contacted him in Feb and we aggreed on an 8 dvd trade. I sent the dvds.

Now i don't write on the sleeves due to my horrendious handwritting. Anyone who traded with me when i did would confirm it. Now Woody has recived the dvds but says they aren't the dvds he asked for. He got the hump when i said i don't write on the sleeves and that he woulden't go through the dvds to check if they are the right ones.

I know they are the right ones as the only other trade i had at the time has been a sucsess. no mess ups. So i've said fuck it to the trade. Woody got the 8 dvds that i suspect are the ones he asked for, but he won't check. I've got nothing.

IF i did some mess up some shows at my end then neither of us gained anything as Woody hasn't sent.

Just be carefull. I'm NOT saying he is a bad trader but be extremely carefull.

[Joe Carr]

Thanks very much for your great trade Mike
I just wanted to let every one else know about how
good of a trader you are :D

Joe C.

www.freewebs.com/metrokiss

[Digital Dragon]

Yes at first i thought Woody was being a limp biscuit but it turned out he was helping me out in the long run - i did a trade request and he then flat out turned me down with a "NO TRADE THANKS ANYWAY!"
So i emailed him back and asked why??
He took the time to reply with valid reasons and he also offered some advice as to avoid problems like this in the future.
So for taking the time to offer advice i give him a thumbs up and hope to finally get a trade going sometime in the future as he has some great stuff !!

[Corum]

Good trader. Don't know about others but my experience with Woody was fine.

[ragu421]

Good trader. Don't know about others but my experience with Woody was fine.

Glad to hear that.Maybe he is doing "business" in more proper way now.I "say" I had a bad experience with him because I "thought" we were doing a "trade" but I basically got blanks instead.None would play on either my computer or dvd player,which is a "high end" {at the time.Not blue ray though} player.Thankfully some really kind and generous traders {Aikox :thumbsup:thumbsup} stepped in and offered to me what I expected from him.Im all for "second chances" though.Maybe he had a bad day or week or whatever and it wasnt a large trade so no big harm.If he is becoming a "recomended trader" now then kudo's to him.I dont think I was the only one who had a problem but apparently he has "righted the ship" which is cool of him and would therefor make him an asset to this community {which I really love BTW}. Go 'Heels!! I need the money!!:clap::clap:

[1zeppelin2]

Is everything fine now?

[Diamonds]

I'm in the middle of my third trade in the past couple of months with Mike, and everything's been perfect. Awesome DVD's and timely. No complaints from this corner!

[sun234]

Just finished up my 2nd trade with mike, Thanks again for your help with my Rush collection! Will def. be in touch.

Cheers,
Drew

[Ritchieo]

Just for the attention of traders outside the US...Woody apparently does not trade with people outside the US unless they send him extra blank disks as part of the "trade".

Just to be clear...This was not a B&P where the extra disks were to cover postage...This was a proposed trade which he first rejected flat because there was not enough on my list which interested him to cover the shows I was after (which is totally fair enough and there is NOT a problem there), but when I asked if there were maybe a couple of shows he would like and I would narrow down those I wanted, I was then told he would want extra blanks as well in return.

I don't see how this was a fair proposal as we both would have been burning the same number of shows and incurring the same postage costs across the Atlantic, so this is just a warning to other non-US traders. :down:

[ragu421]

Trade with him at your own risk.

[ssiscool]

Trade with him at your own risk.

:clap::clap:great post. I change my original "be carefull" to Bad trader now.

[0815]

We´ve done a trade ( only 3 discs) a few months ago. He received my package and it was not ok for him because the Queen 84 DVD hadn´t the quality which he has expected.

I told him he should ask about the quality of a show before the deal starts and i want all off my 3 discs picks.

No chance !

I received only 2 discs and the Queen DVD which one i want back was not included.... after weeks of waiting.

Never again !! :mad:

[ZJLI]

Can we get this thread title changed to "Bad Trader" please?? :popcorn: mods?

[AAR.oner]

does that work for ya, mister picky britches?



:D

[ZJLI]

Excellent, Thank you Aaron. :wave: Your commitment to doing the job is unrivaled.

:D