md5 / text file database?

[chewie420]

i was wondering if anyone else thinks it would be a good idea to have an area here dedicated to cataloging md5s & text files for dvd's in circulation similar to the way etree does with audio? it wouldn't take much room at all to just store those files, which are both really small. i would need way less than the cover section i'm sure (which is equally important!)

[Five]

everything you're asking for is available by using the search function. the dates are all YYYY-MM-DD to facilitate finding what you're looking for faster and the md5/st5/ffp, info and user reviews are available in the respective threads. Is there something you're not able to find using this method?

[chewie420]

yeah, i want to have all those files accesable so when you don't recieve them in a trade or vine, you can get them easily. i want the md5s so i can check and make sure the copy i have is the same as the original, no matter how many hands it's been though. as far as md5's you could just list the fingerprint and people could make their own md5 from it, but at least you'd know you have a good copy. as far as the text file, it's nice to be able to go back and have all the info on hand for making inserts, etc... and also to maintain quality control by keeping track of sources, lineage, etc... similar to etree with cd's. and with that as well, you could have it in html and people could just copy and paste it in a text file, but the actual text files are tiny files to begin with.

[U2Lynne]

Don't people post the text file and fingerprints in the thread when they start a vine (like the torrent forums)? If not, you can ask them to attach them as attachments in their first post.

[retired]

Every show thats been seeded here, has a text file & md5 in the first post of the thread, use the search function Five mentioned...we have no interest in being an archive of every show in existence, like etree.

[ChrisJ]

One question, are all the torrents posted to the tracker that are now in the inactive section still there? If not the the search y'all are talking about might not work.


From the seeding guidelines:

6. All seeds must contain a correct md5 checksum of the contents of the VIDEO_TS folder.
We are making an effort to not only increase the overall quality of the trade pool, but also to help create a system by which sources can be tracked and certain versions verified. For this reason, we will archive the .md5 checksum results of just the VIDEO_TS folder so that a future trader can confirm they have the exact version, with errors, that was originally seeded. This is not for verifying a complete download as BitTorrent will inherently perform md5 checking before reporting 100% completion (though it can be used as a double-check) but rather to provide verification options to future traders of material torrented here.

Sounds like this archive is already being made, but if all the inactive ones are still available then a search for the info shouldn't be a problem.

CJ

[retired]

Yep, all the shows seeded in the past are in the inactive section :thumbsup

[U2Lynne]

As Joe said, all the shows that were seeded here and are no longer on the tracker are now in the Inactive forum. We keep them around so people can find old shows around here and see if the md5s or text files are the same. That is also why we wanted people to put the fingerprints in the thread, not just as an attachment. You can't search attachments here, but you can search thread content.

If you are asking for a text file or md5s of a vine, as I said you can just have them attach them in the thread, but better would be to also post them. That way they are available through searching also.

[chewie420]

now i have a different situation. i got a few good shows in a trade, without md5s or text files, and neither were seeded here. wouldn't it be cool to be able to find those without bugging other people for them?

[U2Lynne]

The thing is, if we allowed people to archive text files here, they still would not be searchable. Attachments aren't searchable. I think it would be pretty easy for someone to 'make' a site that allows for the upload of text files and fingerprints and then makes it searchable. I just don't see how we could really do it.

Can you search for fingerprints/checksums on DIME? I know some people post them in the thread. There is also etree which is searchable - also probably for fingerprints/checksums in the thread. However, if you really wanted to have a one place stop for text files/checksums/fingerprints, you could end up with a HUGE database (and huge loads because of searching!).

If someone wanted to tackle the project, I'd be more than willing to help out with coding/database issues. But, I really don't feel up to taking on the actual admining of another site (nor take on server issues for another site!).

[retired]

Can you search for fingerprints/checksums on DIME? I know some people post them in the thread. .
No, and unlike us, who archive all shows seeded...when a show goes dead there, its deleted and completely disappears.

[U2Lynne]

Really? I never bookmark shows I download cuz I figure I can find them pretty easily, but none are archived? I could swear that I've been able to go see threads from banned or old shows over there (you just need to check the box for dead shows).

[chewie420]

here, or not neccessarly here, but if someone were to archive such info, couldn't you just have the fingerprints and text file info on a html page, written out like in a show thread here, and have those pages searchable, like the dvd cover pages? now i see some people starting to get offended or something, for some reason, repeating quotes and such, but this was nothing more than a sugestion from the begining, something to discuss. i think the dvds are worth trying to mantain quality just as much as audio cds. don't you?

[Five]

Yes, the dvds are worth trying to maintain quality just as much as the audio cds. I just don't understand what you're asking for.

lets say you want the archived info of Aerosmith at Woodstock '94

The cover is here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28240

The fingerprints and text file on a searchable page is here:
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1169

This show was seeded in 2004 and is long inactive.

How can we make it better? It is a searchable HTML page already.

[ingram]

chewie420, why won't you just use etree.org for your needs? they allow saving text and md5 files! :wave:

[chewie420]

jeez, i don't understand why everyone seem so worked up over this SUGGESTION! i do use etree for audio, but they don't allow video. as for the aerosmith example, i understand that all that is here and how to find it, but what about shows that haven't been seeded here, but are common ones that people here trade, like phish, GD, etc.. it's like the standards here only go so far. if you download something here it's great, you get everything with it and it's all peachy. but, if you trade from someone here 90% of the time they don't have the info, etc for the show and usually seem like they don't care about it. i just got the beatles anthology vine in the mail, and the discs are a little scratched up, but whatever, shit happens. so, before i just blindly copied them and send them on their merry way, i took the time to find the md5s, etc for them, and guess what? 8 out of 10 discs didn't even come close to checking out! that means that everyone who got it before me got corrupted copies and are going to spread them around and "polute the pool" as they say. it was cool that i could find them with a little searching, but it kind of sucks that most people don't care about mantaining quality, especally since that's supposed to be what this site is all about. my original SUGGESTION was if we had a db for that info, maybe people would stick to it more, hence maintaining quality control. another example is that i got 2 kick ass phish shows through a trade here that i've been looking for awhile, but since i got them through a trade, i got no info with them. well, it just so happens neither were seeded here, so there is no where to find that info without trying to write people who might have it. i would even like to seed them here, but for all i know they might me corrupted as well. so, you see, this was just a suggestion to benefit the whole community, nothing to get your panties in a bunch over, just discuss with an open mind....

[U2Lynne]

Hey chewie, I think what you are seeing as people getting 'worked up' is actually people not fully understanding what you want. I think I understand what you want...

You want a place that keeps track of all shows, not just ones seeded here, both audio and video (unlike etree which is only audio) that will have the text file and fingerprints/checksums. That way, if you have the fingerprints, you can easily find the text file for your show, or alternately, if you have the text file, you can easily find the fingerprints/checksums.

However, as I mentioned above, that could end up being quite a project and quite a database. I do think it's an interesting idea, but I don't know if it would be best to have it a part of TTD. I think it would be great as it's own separate site though. I also don't think it would be too hard to set up a database or code it, however I know I have no time to take on something like that right now.

[retired]

! i do use etree for audio, but they don't allow video. .
They dont allow video seeds, but there is nothing that prevents you from putting the md5's in your comments/info about a show...there's a lot of people who do it already.
If you really want to do this, start a site and put it together.

[retired]

i took the time to find the md5s, etc for them, and guess what? 8 out of 10 discs didn't even come close to checking out! that means that everyone who got it before me got corrupted copies and are going to spread them around and "polute the pool" as they say. i...
how do you know they arent the 'right ones'...if i recall correctly, the vine started well before they were ever seeded here. Furthermore, if you received them, via Vine...they should have been DATA discs to begin with, containing the MD5 and text doc.
Its possible, the seeders had corrupted copies...either way, if people stopped using that piece of shit program NERO, we might actually start getting exact copies of discs when trading.

[chewie420]

i agree that they shoud be data vines, but that isn't the case. i know they are the right ones because a few checked out, and some tracks on the bad ones did, where some passed. i don't think that we need another audio db, since etree has that under control, even non trade friendly bands. i just think that somewhere there needs to be a db for just dvds. i might try to put something together, but i have limited skills in that area and i'm not laid off for much longer, but i'll look into it. while we're on this topic, do any of you have the info for phish 7/29/03 II or 8/12/04 II?