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2005-01-24, 03:48 PM
Going to attempt my first seed today (yeah yeah, my bad for being lazy - also computers scare me), mostly because of a request for this Roger Waters show in the ISO forum.

Here's the goods, which are an untouched SHN download I got from STG last year. MD5, artwork, and of course text info is included. From RoIO (http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/roio-cd/complete_kaos.cd.html) this is the same, and looks like the best/only circulating copy available. But this is all the linage I've got for it. Shit, I got it last year and only yesterday did I listen to it for quality, which is very very good btw, though there are a few side drop outs and a couple of fades. I think tape changes. But not bad considering it's 3 full cds worth of material. Oh, I guess I should add that it's 1.16 GBs. All I know is what is in the info file, and here's what is there:

Roger Waters
Nov. 13, 1987
The Mecca, Milwaukee, WI
Complete KAOS

Bookmark as: http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/roio-cd/complete_kaos.cd.html
Format: 3CDR

Catalog: DFP-200 Digital Floyd Project

Misc.: <no info>

Produced: 1997

Date: 871113

Disc: 1 CDR
Disc: 2 CDR
Disc: 3 CDR

Cover Art: Front: Roger Waters from P+C tour. Back: Ticket stub from the concert.

Sources: 13 Nov 1987, Mecca Arena, Milwaukee, WI Disc 3 Tr. 7: Atlanta, 02 Sept 87 Disc 3 Tr. 8: Hamilton, Ontario, 10 Nov 87 Disc 3 Tr. 9: London, 22 Nov 87, with Clare Torry

Hires-cover scans: <no info>

MP3-Sound sample: <no info>

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9e1effdbe56a14c3853b7de8b4402bf3 rw871113-d1t07.shn
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e911f466c108d8e6e2e7c4a22cc5a81d rw871113-d3t09.shn

So is this good to up here? Like I said, it's still in the original SHN as I got it from STG. If so, how should I write linage? And what else should I know? This being my first attempt and all. :D

2005-01-24, 10:00 PM

2005-01-24, 10:20 PM
Sorry, I didn't see this before.

Right now, I'm not getting a real sense of the lineage except:

aud > ?? > SHN (via STG)

Is that correct? There was no text file with the show at all that said anything about the ?? part of this?

2005-01-24, 10:41 PM
Sorry, I didn't see this before.

Right now, I'm not getting a real sense of the lineage except:

aud > ?? > SHN (via STG)

Is that correct? There was no text file with the show at all that said anything about the ?? part of this?

Nope. Nothing substantial in regards to linage. My first post has the info file text, and that's all I pretty much know about it. However, on the bottom of the art work it says Re-mastering and production by The Digital Floyd Project. My guess is either they are the original tapers, or are directly connected to them. I think they originally complied this and distributed it directly on CDR's not silvers. From one of those somebody converted it to SHN and then found it's way onto STG. Shady? Yes. But it's also as far as I can tell the best circulating version of this source material as it is in very very good shape.


2005-01-24, 10:42 PM
Also, did you see that? Ticketron!

2005-01-24, 10:44 PM
hmm.. there's no md5s posted on the page you linked, so what we need you to do is check this for a few things...

1. are there TAO gaps? listen for small gaps and/or clicks between tracks, up to 2 seconds.

2. is this mp3-sourced? If you don't know how to check this get me 2-second sample and I can check it for you.

3. Since we don't know where this came from, we need you to vouch for the quality. give it a full attentive listen for clicks, pops and/or diginoise.

Sorry for the inconvenience, since we don't know where this has been we have to make sure that it hasn't been corrupted along the way. Once you've checked everything, the lineage should look something like this:

AUD > ? > CDR(x) > ?extraction software > SHN

and make a note that you got it from STG and have carefully checked it for errors and found it to be a digitally pure and lossless source.

2005-01-24, 11:27 PM
I took these of song #10, Money. Does that help at all?



Also I just burned a copy of what would be the first disc, and gave it a listen between the songs looking for problems. There are no clicks but there is a one second space between songs 7 and 8 for some reason. It's not anywhere else on the first disc. I've only listened through the whole thing once, from WMP and I couldn't hear any digi noise at all, but I'll will burn off all 3 discs and give it a better listen to over the next few days. Thanks for the help.

2005-01-25, 12:48 AM
you're welcome. if the gap is only between t7 and t8 of d1 and not on all tracks then that's cool.

the spectral view looks like an FM broadcast... if at all possible, could you zoom in on a 1.5-2 second segment and take another screenshot of the spectral view? It would probably be a good idea to double-check for lossy source just in case.

when we don't know exact lineage the only way to check it is by listening... I've got lots of audio cdrs from the old days that are either mp3-sourced or have some amount of clicks and pops, however most of them don't. thanks for taking the time to make sure that your seed is the highest quality material!

2005-01-25, 01:30 AM
From 1.40 minutes into song #10 - Money. Here's a 1.5 second anaylisis full range zoom in. And just for the record, to me it looks like a pretty picture, and nothing more. I have no idea what to look for.



2005-01-25, 11:30 AM
I can't say with certainty that this is a safe source... there's very little activity in the high frenquencies, and this is cause for concern.

I'd really like to personally test a short sample/song... check your pm.

2007-03-25, 10:46 AM
i want this bad

2007-03-25, 11:00 AM
kind of late

2007-03-25, 11:20 AM
kind of late