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Chachi420
2006-10-07, 02:25 PM
Hi, I have something that has bothered me for a while. I understand that it is desirable for TTD to make torrents inactive, but I think there has to be a better way. I'm imagining a system where the torrent can be "revived" simply by having a user reseed it without having to recreate another torrent file, md5's, thread, and all of that. I would like to reseed this kdtu auburn show (which kicks ass!), but I'm not going to since I don't want to go through all of that trouble. I just wish I could click on the inactive torrent, reactivate it, download the torrent file and start seeding. :) Certainly there is enough space on the server to store the torrent files (I'm assuming that this is so, since there is enough space for schmoe to post naked pics every week :lol )
Thoughts?

schmoe75
2006-10-07, 03:24 PM
Lynne know's far more than I, but one thing is we are slowly trying to get all the shows off the old tracker and on to the new one so it can be completely removed...this activity prohibits this.

Realistically, you make it sound like its so much more work than it actually is, you have all the info already to copy/paste, the only thing is creating a new torrent file....shouldnt you be burning, slacker :wave:

I'm assuming that this is so, since there is enough space for schmoe to post naked pics every week
I have no idea what your talking about :hmm:

Chachi420
2006-10-07, 05:27 PM
....shouldnt you be burning, slacker :wave:

D'oh! sorry Schmoe...I'll work on burning you some stuff tomorrow...I PROMISE!! On another topic, Did you see that Al Di Meola is playing this tue Oct 10th?
http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?band=&venue=&city=raleigh&stateID=33&adv=1&fromdate=&todate=

schmoe75
2006-10-07, 05:35 PM
Yeah, weeknite, cant make it :(

Chachi420
2006-10-07, 05:59 PM
Yeah, weeknite, cant make it :(
I would make it, but a client is coming in that night that is worth $50 million to my company. I have to entertain and take some of them out to the Brazilian steakhouse, then we've booked a bluegrass band for a private show for ~40 people (Kickin Grass? I've never heard of them)

U2Lynne
2006-10-07, 06:19 PM
If you have all the files on your computer, what is it that makes it difficult to reseed? (Just make the torrent, copy all the info from the other thread to the new one, and viola?)

Shows get put into Inactive after they have had no seed for three weeks in a row. At that point, they go onto a list for the Mods and are removed. One thing we don't want to have is a bunch of shows in the Downloads forum that have been inactive for weeks or months and then have a leecher get on and expect to be able to download the show.

I guess if I understood the problem (I have a feeling I'm not 'getting' it) then we could probably work on a solution to it.

Chachi420
2006-10-07, 06:50 PM
If you have all the files on your computer, what is it that makes it difficult to reseed? (Just make the torrent, copy all the info from the other thread to the new one, and viola?)

Shows get put into Inactive after they have had no seed for three weeks in a row. At that point, they go onto a list for the Mods and are removed. One thing we don't want to have is a bunch of shows in the Downloads forum that have been inactive for weeks or months and then have a leecher get on and expect to be able to download the show.

I guess if I understood the problem (I have a feeling I'm not 'getting' it) then we could probably work on a solution to it.
well, I guess I don't understand why there is a problem with a torrent that is inactive for 3 weeks why it matters or not if a leecher trys to download it. A lot of times, someone will jump on to reseed it. If noone jumps on, then the leecher will just move on after a few days of noone hoping on to help out. I just thought it takes extra time to recreate the torrent file and then start a new thread.

U2Lynne
2006-10-08, 11:41 AM
Actually, alot of times someone will *not* jump on to help seed an old show. When the torrent doesn't have a seeder for three weeks, it gets put on a list (I already mentioned that). Very often, there is a person or two waiting to download the show. We usually leave those shows on the tracker in the hopes that that person will get a seed. Right now thought, there are about 7 or 8 shows sitting on that list that have been waiting for a seed ever since they first showed up on that list. All of them have a % completed already, except one (that has two leechers, both at 0%). I honestly don't think they are ever going to get a seeder after all this time.

I don't know, maybe another way to do it is to move the show to Inactive (and not remove the torrent, but put a note at the top of the thread when they open it that says the show has not had a seeder in three weeks and they may never complete the show) and then if the show gets a seeder, it gets moved back to active?

I've been to sites than never put shows into Inactive and so if you go looking through the pages of torrents, you see a ton of shows with 0 seeds and 0 leechers and it looks like the tracker is dead. We like to have Active Shows in ABT/VBT that people are likely to be able to complete.

Chachi420
2006-10-08, 11:49 AM
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I don't know, maybe another way to do it is to move the show to Inactive (and not remove the torrent, but put a note at the top of the thread when they open it that says the show has not had a seeder in three weeks and they may never complete the show) and then if the show gets a seeder, it gets moved back to active?
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I like this idea a lot...maybe there is a script or code that can automatically move the thread to inactive after 3 weeks of no seeder, while still not deleting the torrent or locking the thread. Then whenever a seeder does hop on, it automatically moves it back to active. And if the torrent file is never deleted, it makes it easier for people to open up a seed again.

saltman
2006-10-08, 11:52 AM
I would make it, but a client is coming in that night that is worth $50 million to my company. I have to entertain and take some of them out to the Brazilian steakhouse, then we've booked a bluegrass band for a private show for ~40 people (Kickin Grass? I've never heard of them)Is it Brasa Brazilian Steakhouse in Brier Creek? That place is good you're gonna dig it. Kickin' Grass is a local band.. They are also good. They play around here all the time. That's gonna be a pretty cool outing.

Chachi420
2006-10-08, 11:57 AM
Is it Brasa Brazilian Steakhouse in Brier Creek? That place is good you're gonna dig it. Kickin' Grass is a local band.. They are also good. They play around here all the time. That's gonna be a pretty cool outing.
it's Rio Churrascaria mmmm...good :)

U2Lynne
2006-10-08, 12:02 PM
I'm gonna move this to Site Suggestions.

I think I mentioned earlier that I've been spending time recoding the site for an upgrade. I think this would be a pretty easy cron job to write. However, it's gonna have to wait until I get the tracker integration recoded and then get around to updating the main site to the new vB release.

Chachi420
2006-10-08, 12:04 PM
I'm gonna move this to Site Suggestions.

I think I mentioned earlier that I've been spending time recoding the site for an upgrade. I think this would be a pretty easy cron job to write. However, it's gonna have to wait until I get the tracker integration recoded and then get around to updating the main site to the new vB release.
you rock Lynne! I think that this method will please everyone :cool:

paddington
2006-10-08, 12:22 PM
well, I guess I don't understand why there is a problem with a torrent that is inactive for 3 weeks why it matters or not if a leecher trys to download it. .

I think 3 weeks is too short. Should be more like 56 days or so... IMHO

schmoe75
2006-10-09, 11:19 AM
I still dont this is an issue at all or that we need to change it...It's not time consuming or hard to reseed something.

Five
2006-10-10, 11:23 AM
I still dont this is an issue at all or that we need to change it...It's not time consuming or hard to reseed something.
I agree... also, you get a lot more interest in a reseed by copying the info and re-launching the torrent in a new thread. BT is at its best when seeders are uploading to multiple ppl, and when shows get very old it is often one seeder uploading to one or two ppl only, then if the lone seeder jumps then those ppl who had a very slow download to begin with are stranded. Its like being on the highway in a big traffic jam, moving forward 5 feet every 10 minutes (which everybody hates).

It is also very depressing for me looking at a site like this with 90% of the shows having three or less people and/or no seeds.

schmoe75
2006-10-10, 12:16 PM
:thumbsup

jcrab66
2006-10-10, 11:35 PM
I agree... also, you get a lot more interest in a reseed by copying the info and re-launching the torrent in a new thread. BT is at its best when seeders are uploading to multiple ppl, and when shows get very old it is often one seeder uploading to one or two ppl only, then if the lone seeder jumps then those ppl who had a very slow download to begin with are stranded. Its like being on the highway in a big traffic jam, moving forward 5 feet every 10 minutes (which everybody hates).

It is also very depressing for me looking at a site like this with 90% of the shows having three or less people and/or no seeds.

its really not hard to understand where this came from when you consider the source of who started the thread

TheMamba
2006-10-11, 07:58 AM
I still dont this is an issue at all or that we need to change it...It's not time consuming or hard to reseed something.

Ditto. :hmm:

U2Lynne
2006-10-11, 12:07 PM
I was thinking about this idea of moving the torrent/thread back and forth from Active to Inactive and one problem I am thinking of is that sometimes setlists get updated in the thread, or additional information is passed on in the thread and then people go and update their text files prior to archiving the show. If the torrent/thread just gets passed back-and-forth between active and inactive, then a new, updated text file will never get torrented with it. Same thing with video bitrate/codec info. Very often we have to ask for this info after they have posted the show, so that info is never in the text file. However, when people archive the show, very often they update the text file with this information so they have it later. If they show just gets torrented as is, then once again, the new, updated text file won't get torrented with it.

schmoe75
2006-10-11, 03:21 PM
Yep...several shows i've seeded, had no or an incomplete setlist...before burning my Data back-up, i updated the text doc to have all the info & coverart if someone had posted any...i reiterate, i dont like this idea, nor think it necessary...besides, all the shows on the old tracker, would still have to be 'reseeded' to get them onto the new tracker and won't this be the same issue at some point in the future whenever we get to the point that you have to add another one?