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xequence
2006-06-09, 03:23 PM
It's possible this has already been answered, but I cant find an answer.

So, I download a concert in FLAC or SHN but it isnt tagged at all. In foobar it shows the file name for the title, in this case TBC10-13-05d1t01. Is there any particular reason people dont want to add proper tags to any concerts when they seed them? FLAC is capable of tags, and I think SHN is only with an external file.

It takes awhile to tag them myself. One exception is the MP3s I get from archive.org are tagged.

TheMamba
2006-06-09, 04:11 PM
It takes awhile to tag them myself.

Probably answered your own question there.

xequence
2006-06-09, 04:25 PM
So, they just dont want to tag them as it takes them time?

Id think they would, as they do it once and everyone else saves time. But heh.

U2Lynne
2006-06-09, 04:32 PM
So, they just dont want to tag them as it takes them time?

Id think they would, as they do it once and everyone else saves time. But heh.
Speaking for myself, I could care less if they are tagged. If I'm listening to a show in cog (or something else), I dock cog anyway and so I don't see the track names.

The FiXXXeR
2006-06-09, 04:34 PM
It doesn't save me time; I hate tags. They're the reason I quit downloading MP3 "scene" releases; too much time wasted deleting tags. Name your files properly & there's no need.

Five
2006-06-09, 04:57 PM
I always seed with tags. But improperly tagged shows are worse than none at all. I think people a) don't care and b) don't know how to do it and don't want to learn.

so if you want to see more shows with tags on this tracker, seed some.

xequence
2006-06-09, 08:23 PM
Speaking for myself, I could care less if they are tagged. If I'm listening to a show in cog (or something else), I dock cog anyway and so I don't see the track names.

I listen to my music on foobar2000, so, yea. I care more then you about tags.

Do most people listen to the live music from here and other places (etree, dime) on their computer, or something else?

It doesn't save me time; I hate tags. They're the reason I quit downloading MP3 "scene" releases; too much time wasted deleting tags. Name your files properly & there's no need.

If you want to easily delete tags, get foobar2000. You could add all your music to the playlist and right click - tagging - remove tags from file(s).

And I cant honestly understand how tags can be bad. You might not use them if you listen to music by clicking on the song from the file manager, but they certainly cant hurt (not that I know atleast).

Would you rather have a song named "Jealous Again" (which is the name), or TBC10-13-05d1t05? If the latter, it doesent have the title in the tags or the file name.

But improperly tagged shows are worse than none at all.

Agreed.

I think people a) don't care and b) don't know how to do it and don't want to learn.

Heh... Possibly.

I can assume most people uploading new torrents are people who burn them to an audio CD, so they dont need tags.

so if you want to see more shows with tags on this tracker, seed some.

Whats the rule about uploading stuff that I didnt record myself? All the live bootleg stuff I have is from archive.org (I have all MP3 from there), bt.etree.org, here, or dime a dozen.

Five
2006-06-09, 08:39 PM
the basic rules are no mp3 or otherwise lossy-sourced stuff (with the exception of ATRAC & AC3 on DVDs but not extracted as audio) and no officially-released stuff. also there's a few artists (like abb) that just aren't allowed. the detaileds can be found in the FAQ link at the top of the page. we want the best quality possible, and encourage everybody to use their unique skills in this pursuit.

Also worth mentioning is that we require .st5 (aka shntool md5) for audio torrents, which means that you can change formats, compression levels, add seek tables, tags, etc and the st5 checksums will reflect that the audio is intact and unchanged.

audio trading here (like etree.org) is geared towards audio cdr compatability, altho I think the number of ppl still burning audio cdr versions of everything are very few these days.

ps use foobar2000 for tagging, don't use flac frontend! (pretty much like xequence already said).

U2Lynne
2006-06-09, 09:15 PM
I listen to my music on foobar2000, so, yea. I care more then you about tags.

Do most people listen to the live music from here and other places (etree, dime) on their computer, or something else?

Well, I'm on a Mac and can't use foobar2000. I will admit that there are times where I want to know the name of the song, but I just open the text file and it's there. I suppose if I got used to tagged shows and suddenly didn't have a tagged show and had to go find the text file, then I might feel differently.

I can assume most people uploading new torrents are people who burn them to an audio CD, so they dont need tags.

Whats the rule about uploading stuff that I didnt record myself? All the live bootleg stuff I have is from archive.org (I have all MP3 from there), bt.etree.org, here, or dime a dozen.
Actually, I rarely burn to CD anymore. I do occasionally, but I usually listen to shows on my computer. A really good show that I need to listen to over and over will get burned for my car.

As for uploading other shows, I don't tape and yet I upload stuff. I either got the shns/flacs from a taper (and have the text file from them too) or I downloaded it from DIME from a taper (again, with the text file) or from someone who had the Silvers and extracted them (and posted the text file). I then saved the shows as shn/flac and later just put them back on my computer, checked them via the checksums, made st5s (if needed), and seeded them. Also, the mods are more than willing to talk to you in this forum or via PM about a show you want to seed if you are unsure whether it is allowed.

dorrcoq
2006-06-10, 01:01 AM
Why would you download from archive.org as MP3? For that matter, why the fuck does a site that has "archive" in its name even allow MP3s??? :hmm:

Gizby
2006-06-10, 01:59 AM
Why would you download from archive.org as MP3? For that matter, why the fuck does a site that has "archive" in its name even allow MP3s??? :hmm:
The MP3s are pretty nice if you're online in a location that's not your normal computer. Also, if you'd like to hear the general quality of a recording, it's much more convenient to get a 5 meg MP3 instead of a 42 meg FLAC/SHN. Also good if you've never heard of the artist before and you want to get a quick taste of what they're about. And it's not as though they throw out the lossless version. Nothing bad is happening.

But why people would only collect the MP3s from there, I cannot say.

jazzbo
2006-06-10, 11:07 AM
Why would you download from archive.org as MP3? For that matter, why the fuck does a site that has "archive" in its name even allow MP3s??? :hmm:

Because they are the archive, not the listener. Why would someone who only needs a mp3 download a lossless file, wasting their own bandwidth and that of a "free" service?

Choice is good.

xequence
2006-06-10, 03:10 PM
Why would you download from archive.org as MP3? For that matter, why the fuck does a site that has "archive" in its name even allow MP3s???

Because I can tell the difference between lossy and lossless on studio albums well, and only slightly sometimes on live concerts.

And plus, the 9 MP3 grateful dead concerts I have in MP3 would take up so much space in lossless. More then I have. And it would take forever to download them at 40KB/s (which is the max I got from archive.org) in lossless.

But why people would only collect the MP3s from there, I cannot say.

Ive got other concerts in lossless (Grateful Dead, Black Crowes, Phish, Gov't Mule). But, if I can, I tend to prefer lossless when downloading good albums instead of concerts.

Because they are the archive, not the listener. Why would someone who only needs a mp3 download a lossless file, wasting their own bandwidth and that of a "free" service?

Choice is good.

Agreed.

Five
2006-06-11, 03:33 PM
Because I can tell the difference between lossy and lossless on studio albums well, and only slightly sometimes on live concerts.
that will change in time

PyRo UK
2006-06-11, 05:38 PM
too much time wasted deleting tags.
Deleting tags? I'm sorry but that's just stupid.

LastStarfighter
2006-06-12, 12:18 AM
I kinda like having tags, since alot of my stuff use them, I really like being able to tag the artwork to the songs....

as for archive.org letting people download mp3's, who cares as long as the lossless is truly archived for for future, that's the point isn't it.

the format's not important, music and the love of music is what's important.

direwolf-pgh
2013-01-10, 09:25 AM
grabbed a few shows from etree recently. pleased to see that each and every show was properly tagged :clap: long time coming

AAR.oner
2013-01-11, 12:53 PM
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lintoni
2013-01-15, 05:27 PM
Somebody's taking the piss :disbelief

paddington
2013-01-15, 07:54 PM
bwaahahaha

rspencer
2013-01-16, 04:43 PM
bunch of entitled tag-wanters

spidergawd
2013-01-20, 10:26 AM
I'm wondering how many shows go unseeded because old farts like me don't know, or really desire to learn, anything about tags and don't want their uploads to be unappreciated. I don't even print "artwork" much less care if they're embedded in the tags (or even if I got it right that they can be embedded in the tags). I don't even know, or care, which files I've downloaded have tags, or how they're used. Believe it or not, I don't feel as though I'm missing anything (guess you have to lose something to miss it). All that said, if somebody can post a link to a tutorial showing how to properly tag flac files please do.

Tag on bar restroom wall:

R.I.P. Stan Musial
Like this urinal you will be missed

lintoni
2013-01-21, 03:24 PM
I'm wondering how many shows go unseeded because old farts like me don't know, or really desire to learn, anything about tags and don't want their uploads to be unappreciated. I don't even print "artwork" much less care if they're embedded in the tags (or even if I got it right that they can be embedded in the tags). I don't even know, or care, which files I've downloaded have tags, or how they're used. Believe it or not, I don't feel as though I'm missing anything (guess you have to lose something to miss it). All that said, if somebody can post a link to a tutorial showing how to properly tag flac files please do.

Tag on bar restroom wall:

R.I.P. Stan Musial
Like this urinal you will be missed

Tags are a bonus, it's handy to have them if you're using your computer to play flac files. Easytag (http://projects.gnome.org/easytag/EasyTAG_Documentation.html) is a good file tagger for linux.

dasmueller
2013-01-21, 08:11 PM
Mp3Tag works quite well also. It's not just for Mp3 so do not be confused by the name. I also use Foobar 2000 mostly for adding replay-gain tags to keep from volume spikes due to recording levels.

spidergawd
2013-01-22, 08:47 PM
Tags are a bonus, it's handy to have them if you're using your computer to play flac files. Easytag (http://projects.gnome.org/easytag/EasyTAG_Documentation.html) is a good file tagger for linux.

Thanks for the tip. I gave it a try and see that several of the shows I've leeched have been tagged, although vlc seems to be the only player I have that shows the artwork. I tried tagging the flac files of a show I taped and can see how it would be helpful if I wanted to know the name of the song being played, or if I wanted to play a certain song and didn't know what track number it was. I'm still not interested in using it for myself since I prefer mplayer for home and convert to apple lossless for iPhone for when I'm on a bike or bus, or at work, but at least now I have an idea what tags are useful for.

paddington
2013-01-22, 09:30 PM
Mp3Tag works quite well also. It's not just for Mp3 so do not be confused by the name. I also use Foobar 2000 mostly for adding replay-gain tags to keep from volume spikes due to recording levels.

I like mp3tag. Tag&Rename is good, too.


I prefer to see all uploads tagged properly, but I can't see us ever even considering making it a requirement.

dasmueller
2013-01-22, 10:21 PM
I'm wondering how many shows go unseeded because old farts like me don't know, or really desire to learn, anything about tags and don't want their uploads to be unappreciated. I don't even print "artwork" much less care if they're embedded in the tags (or even if I got it right that they can be embedded in the tags). I don't even know, or care, which files I've downloaded have tags, or how they're used. Believe it or not, I don't feel as though I'm missing anything (guess you have to lose something to miss it). All that said, if somebody can post a link to a tutorial showing how to properly tag flac files please do.

Tag on bar restroom wall:

R.I.P. Stan Musial
Like this urinal you will be missed

Tags are very useful, especially for people who use their files over a streaming audio system.

People should not however worry about uploading shows without tags. Most shows I have downloaded over the last years do not have them. Those that do are almost always edited in some manner or the other.

I add tags because my Squeezebox system would not function without them. It is not that hard a process to add them. And 'old farts' such as I can learn to do it if they have the desire.

lintoni
2013-01-25, 04:06 PM
Thanks for the tip. I gave it a try and see that several of the shows I've leeched have been tagged, although vlc seems to be the only player I have that shows the artwork. I tried tagging the flac files of a show I taped and can see how it would be helpful if I wanted to know the name of the song being played, or if I wanted to play a certain song and didn't know what track number it was. I'm still not interested in using it for myself since I prefer mplayer for home and convert to apple lossless for iPhone for when I'm on a bike or bus, or at work, but at least now I have an idea what tags are useful for.

For artwork embedded as a tag, exaile does, and I *think* aqualung does as well.

dasmueller
2013-01-25, 09:05 PM
MpeTag will also embed artwork through the extended tags function.